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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Sun, 23 February 2003 07:36
 
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first bit of advice, dont attempt it into a ta22 put it into a a23 or a28, they have a bigger engine bay. and trust me you will need the room
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Sun, 23 February 2003 07:41
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ok so ta 23 it is then... i didnt think there was much difference between to two models... oh well.. any advice for fitting a 1j in a ta 23.. keeping in mind im gona need a large ass intercooler... this things gona run sum boost... 
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Sun, 23 February 2003 07:41
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It will be much easier to put the rotor in it! If you do a 1j there will be waaay to much weight in front on the wheels which will make the thing handle like a shopping trolly!
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Sun, 23 February 2003 07:44
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yer i was leaning more twards the 13bt... as there easier to come by/fit in/my mates dad owns 4 rotaz... so he will help...
but i havent see a 1j in a celica so it would be sumthing new... and keeping in mind this project car will be mostly a show car... dont know might even put it in autosalon see how it goes.
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Sun, 23 February 2003 07:47
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If you want to do the 1j thing you will be best off getting an RA or TA23
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Sun, 23 February 2003 07:55
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matt green had his 1j powered ra23 in the for sale thing recently - already done with the ABS digital dash and everything
wanted about 11 k for it .. have a seach back a few threads for it - its a nice celica ! ive seen it personally and would have liked it in my garage
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Sun, 23 February 2003 10:35
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you cant put a 1j in a ta23 legally cause it only came out with a 1.6L, which restricts your to 2.4l forced induction
it has to be a RA23 cause they came out with the 2L,
i think benny had this problem
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Sun, 23 February 2003 10:37
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yeah you need the car to weigh in at over 1000kg's but thats in NSW, this guys in adelaide.. where tim frost can put a 13bturbo in his car whcih you can only put into a ra28 in NSW. so once again you better do some research into the legalities first.
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Sun, 23 February 2003 12:11
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stupid restrictive nsw laws
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Mon, 24 February 2003 10:42
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thanx fellaz, keep the help coming in... im looking into the legit side ov things, but i really want a 1j in there aint many ppl done it b4...
does matthew live in SA??? if so ill talk to him on how he done it.. bah ill email him anywayz...
Classique71 thanx but i really wanted to do it my self,l get the experiense under my belt, plus i haven got 11k...damn
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 Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Mon, 24 February 2003 22:39
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You'll need to do more than a crossmember to put a 1JZ in...
The engine doesn't actually fit so you have to do some work to the firewall or radiator support.
It's not an easy swap.
I'm also surprised no one has brought up the handling issues.
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Mon, 24 February 2003 22:51
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I did
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Tue, 25 February 2003 09:45
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he'z got a poin he did... a shopping trolly, but im cool wit that coz i work at coles right so i handle trollies evryday. so this should be cool wit me... oh and guess wat u can get trollies reall sidewayz... muhahahahaha
yer i think i might get a 13bt, seems way easier, but i really want a 1j oz i wana put it in autosalon, now tell me who would rather see a 1j in a celica then a 13bt... eh! exactly, oh well
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Wed, 26 February 2003 01:00
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Am I the only one having problems understanding this guy? 
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Wed, 26 February 2003 03:42
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Not, I might add, that he's the only one... 
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Wed, 26 February 2003 04:51
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just a point
in cost of car and conversion, chances are excellent it'll cost you pretty much $11k if you do it yourself, possibly more, if you want one like matt's.
13b is a much more realistic option.
sure it's not as unique, etc etc, but it will be a lot easier,and much more practical
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Wed, 26 February 2003 08:58
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One off my friends modified his TA22 with a 2JZGTE with a single turbo, oh boy my pants were wet after he took me fro a ride...
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Wed, 26 February 2003 09:45
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Another thing, forget your dreams of putting it in auto salon, they don't like pre '85 cars.
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One off my friends modified his TA22 with a 2JZGTE with a single turbo, oh boy my pants were wet after he took me fro a ride...
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So have you been in the car yet? 
I think you've just had what is called a "wet dream".
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Wed, 26 February 2003 13:13
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2JZ in a TA22? Sounds like "stories" to me...
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Thu, 27 February 2003 02:28
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Norbie, NOT A STORY! the car was registered as a 2.5ltr coz it had a 1J block and the rest was 2J, The radiator was placed in front off the original radiator support beam (which was removed) so there was plenty of room. I think the reason he went a single turbo is because of the twin turbo set up would of hit the Brake booster.
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica ***NEW IDEA***
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Thu, 27 February 2003 02:44
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ok new idea how does a 1G-GTE into RA23 Celica sound to uz??? ive got a ra 23 linned up, and im probably gona buy it so, a 1G-GTE would be a easier motor to transplant, now same questions as first asked but for the new conversion...
thanx guys...
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica ***NEW IDEA***
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Thu, 27 February 2003 03:00
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I would go for the Supercharged 1G (1GGZE) I use to own a RA23 with a 1GGZE and it would shit all over my mates RA60 Celica with a 1GGTE. All I had to do was modify the sump, engine mounts (Moved the motor back), Radiator (moved it forward, stuck fuel lines in and a pump and connect the wiring up to easy... I used a aftermarket computer it made the wiring look cleaner and also gave me more power...
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Thu, 27 February 2003 03:30
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| celicaboy_2000 wrote on Thu, 27 February 2003 12:28 |
Norbie, NOT A STORY! the car was registered as a 2.5ltr coz it had a 1J block and the rest was 2J, The radiator was placed in front off the original radiator support beam (which was removed) so there was plenty of room. I think the reason he went a single turbo is because of the twin turbo set up would of hit the Brake booster.
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Oh, so it's a 1JZ now?
I still find it hard to believe. A 1JZ just fits in an RA23, even after the radiator is moved. A TA22 engine bay is several inches shorter, so it's simply not going to happen without firewall mods. It's not legal either, even as a 2.5 litre engine.
Click here to see what a tight squeeze it is in an RA23 engine bay:
http://www.norbie.net/jza23/JZA23_engine2.jpg
http://www.norbie.net/jza23/JZA23_engine3.jpg
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Thu, 27 February 2003 04:22
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was about to say.. even a 1jz isn't legal
one of my friends was telling me a "story" about a guy who was putting a 1jz into a sprinter... the story started changing as I told him about the laws regarding it 
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Thu, 27 February 2003 04:25
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come on norbie
there's at least enough room for a BOV in there
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Thu, 27 February 2003 05:24
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| celicaboy_2000 wrote on Wed, 26 February 2003 19:58 |
One off my friends modified his TA22 with a 2JZGTE with a single turbo, oh boy my pants were wet after he took me fro a ride...
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Nope sorry, I just don't buy it.
1 and 2JZ blocks are marked as such and the engine number contains the block type as the prefix. The scenario of running 2JZ innards in a 1JZ block can also be discounted - the 2JZ block is 23 mm taller than a 1JZ block for a multitude of reasons.
Anyway, you were saying.....
Rob, I agree with you. You'd think the 1GGTE is almost the only conversion done there is so much info (no slight intended to the 1GGTE guys) and yet the same rubbish pops up.
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Re: 1G-GTE into RA23 Celica ***NEW IDEA*** instead ov 1j
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Thu, 27 February 2003 05:26
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You say you live in Adelaide right?
You can't do squat for a legal engine conversion, here are these NSW people whinging and they have no idea how lucky they are, as I have said in the SA forum, even a 18RGU conversion for an RA28 isn't allowed, yes that is right. I had no chance getting a 1GGE approved, let alone a 1GGTE, or GZE. so unless you have a couple of grand laying around to blow on engineering and hiring out adelaide international raceway for someone else to thrash your car around on to test brakes and steering then start thinking about doing some overtime at coles.
Before you commit to anything do lots of research, call regency, call an engineer, call insurance company, talk to 4's and more in para hills then start counting your pennies.
sorry to burst the bubble fella
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Re: 1G-GTE into RA23 Celica ***NEW IDEA*** instead ov 1j
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Thu, 27 February 2003 06:08
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na this is good, its sorta wat i wanted to know, eg what i can and cannot do... so thanx heaps, i was talkn' to a mechanic today he said he wasnt allowed to put a stock 13b in a ra28 but he was allowed to put in a 12a/12at in!!! didnt matter how modifyed it was, he also had a VL in the shead with a rb26dett, he didnt have to get that enginerd because the engine size didnt get any bigger, they went by well it was a 3L now its a 2.6L they had no problems even know itd twin turbo, and has a hell ov alot more power... i dont know anymore...
Norbie sorry, but i didnt know there was a tech section, ive only been on these forums 4 2-3 days, and was only posting... didnt mean no harm, also in the tech sections is only one person, i wanted to hear what evryone has to say about it...
thanx again people
...keep the critisim coming in...
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Fri, 28 February 2003 00:30
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Ive seen this car Ok I dont give a shit if you dont believe me, the 2J fits into the TA22 bay, not sure how he did it but he did.
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Re: 1G-GTE into RA23 Celica ***NEW IDEA*** instead ov 1j
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Fri, 28 February 2003 00:39
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Must have been magic I guess!
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica
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Fri, 28 February 2003 00:47
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| celicaboy_2000 wrote on Fri, 28 February 2003 11:30 |
not sure how he did it but he did.
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Read significant firewall modification. Unfortunately the rest doesn't add up.
Some gratuitous icons:
  
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica ***NEW IDEA***
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Fri, 28 February 2003 02:15
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| celicaboy_2000 wrote on Thu, 27 February 2003 14:00 |
I would go for the Supercharged 1G (1GGZE) I use to own a RA23 with a 1GGZE and it would shit all over my mates RA60 Celica with a 1GGTE. All I had to do was modify the sump, engine mounts (Moved the motor back), Radiator (moved it forward, stuck fuel lines in and a pump and connect the wiring up to easy... I used a aftermarket computer it made the wiring look cleaner and also gave me more power...
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I find this interesting.
Comparing engines based on different weight platforms.
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica ***NEW IDEA***
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Fri, 28 February 2003 03:29
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I have seen a 1jzgte in a TA22 here in melbourne. the conversion was ...... DOG ugly and super dodgy, the workshop that wired it(only) up made him sign a pile of paper saying that they cant be blaimed for his death and its been wired up for "educational" not road/race use hehe they were very woried, and when i looked upder the car so was I the steering to clear the engine was a joke the fire wall was ..... well yeah you can imagin, the whole job was a joke i cant belive anyone would do that and then think about driving the car... let alown with that power!
Also didn't toyota make a factory 1ggte RA# celica, i hear so much about them!, wish people looked in the tech sections there is heaps of info and even more on the net!
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica ***NEW IDEA***
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Fri, 28 February 2003 03:34
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oh by the way last time i asked Tim his Car is not Engineered so dont go by others conversions, make sure (in writing some times) you know you are able to get the car passed when finished.
If i was spending huge $ on a conversion i would want it in writing that i can road rego it when finished otherwise you could do over $11K very easily
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica ***NEW IDEA***
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Fri, 28 February 2003 08:47
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| TurboCelica wrote on Fri, 28 February 2003 13:29 |
Also didn't toyota make a factory 1ggte RA# celica, i hear so much about them!,
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Toyota built a Celica XX with a 1G-GEU (GA61), but that's actually what we call a Supra. Celicas have always had 4 cylinder engines, and Supras have always have 6 cylinder engines.
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Re: 1jz-gte in a ta22/23 celica ***NEW IDEA***
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Fri, 28 February 2003 14:30
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as a pointer, the "R" in "RAxx" means it has an r-series engine, so I can guarantee it never came out with a g-anything
althought with the number of ig-gte modified RAxx celicas in the club, I'm sure some people wonder...
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Re: 1G-GTE into RA23 Celica ***NEW IDEA*** instead ov 1j
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Fri, 28 February 2003 21:04
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ummm norbie and draven i think turbocelica was joking with that factory 1G celica comment, he just needed to add some smileys..
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Re: 1G-GTE into RA23 Celica ***NEW IDEA*** instead ov 1j
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Sun, 02 March 2003 07:41
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Did you end up picking up the car? wat did you think?
If i was you id leave the stock interior that would be a nice showpiece.. 1976 red vinyl throughout mmmm.. i so wanted those seats ..
If you want to be able to do a legal conversion a 12A turbo would be the smallest and easiest in my opinion for performance and if your dad has the experience, then even more help with problems and rebuilds. Also more likely to get legal with lower capacity,
BUT: if you had the money to do a 1JZ job anyhow on a dead stock ra23, why not go 1Ggte single turbo, stick with toyota motors cos they rule, and get it engineered with all the mods you plan on doing. My mate got his 13bt s2 rx7 engineered finally for about $1400 all up i think, and we never thought that thing would be legal.. ever. money can do anything if you have enough of the shit.. 
OR better still, go for the 3Sgte four banger, not many do this swap and its still 2 litre four cyl = probably easier to engineer than a 1G and would handle better, and still - pardon my french - would go like the f*cken clackers, with lots of future potential and hitech gizmos for you to setup like the 1j.
i think first tho, that car needs a full body restoration and respray, while its in such stock layout.
my uneducated 2 cents worth.
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Re: 1G-GTE into RA23 Celica ***NEW IDEA*** instead ov 1j
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Sun, 02 March 2003 09:10
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yeah sorry being a smartie there is so many around and so many peopl talking about the conversion its almost more common than a 18r-c celica these days
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Re: 1G-GTE into RA23 Celica ***NEW IDEA*** instead ov 1j
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Sun, 02 March 2003 23:35
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| blackRA28 wrote on Sun, 02 March 2003 18:41 |
OR better still, go for the 3Sgte four banger, not many do this swap and its still 2 litre four cyl = probably easier to engineer than a 1G and would handle better, and still - pardon my french - would go like the f*cken clackers, with lots of future potential and hitech gizmos for you to setup like the 1j.
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The 3S-GTE conversion would also cost twice as much as a 1G conversion, with subsequent increases in time/effort.
There's a reason why not many people have done the swap.
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Re: 1G-GTE into RA23 Celica ***NEW IDEA*** instead ov 1j
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Mon, 03 March 2003 04:05
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yep
it's a beautiful engine, but very hard to set up for front engine rwd cars.
I had a look at most of these options for my celica
(then did the sensible thing and bought a supra )
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Re: 1G-GTE into RA23 Celica ***NEW IDEA*** instead ov 1j
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dude u took the words right outa my mouth... im goin the 1g-gte im pretty sure, just gota see what the government has to say about it... the whole idea with this car was to completly restore it... re do everything, im allready working on the interior with custom dash and center console... racing seats, full retrim, put the 1g in, install basicly a supra drive line or a Soarers, take the 1g out, get it resprayed, put the 1g back in, add some wheels, oh yer...
so to answer your question, yes i did pick it up... thanx man. when i hopped in to drive away, the car had no reverse... me thinks the diff is a lil broken, got me mate to push it back, lil smoky til we got to the petty station, was good after... gave it alot of shit to clean the engine out to...
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