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what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 05:05
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howdy people
im in the market for a 5spd gearbox i currently have a w40 4spd bolted to the trusty 4m 
which gearbox can bolt strait in with out modifying the bellhouing/tailshaft?
+ im not to sure where the shifter sits can i find out by looking? (i think i would need it in the same position ie:centre, front whatever)
cheers guys
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 05:08
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At the risk of sounding completely stupid, a W50 5 spd RA23/28/40 gearbox *should* bolt straight in and have the lever pop up thru the existing hole.
Cheers,
Mitch.
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 05:10
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W50 or a P51. Needs to have the rearmost extension housing.
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 05:26
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A w57/8 will bolt up
Ed has one forsale
If its the rear most position you need, then MA70 W58s have this position.
W40 and W50 positions are intechangeable.
And, I will have a W58->M bellhousing for sale when I do my conv.
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 05:29
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Yes, but a W50 behind some poxo 18R is $100 and unlikely to be stuffed. He already has the right bellhousing (with the W40).
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 05:34
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W40 bellhousing wont bolt up to W57/8
And yeah, finding a good W50 would be difficult.
I bought one for $250, and gave it away about 6 weeks later.
Then I bought a W40 for $40, and it drove like it had 10k km on it.
Go figure
Tough little boxes tho, took all the punishment a 6M could dish out
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 05:48
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| gianttomato wrote on Mon, 05 January 2004 13:10 |
W50 or a P51. Needs to have the rearmost extension housing.
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cool what do you mean by rear most extension housing? (the gearstick has to be to the rear of the gearbox)
thanks guys
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 06:02
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so are they w50's or w57/8?
the guy who is putting it in said either i find you a gearboxe or you find one bring it and he'll put it in for $100 if its a strit bolt out / in. so thats why it needs to bolt stait up to the tailshaft/bellhousing so which is it?
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 06:11
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| CrUZsida wrote on Mon, 05 January 2004 16:34 |
W40 bellhousing wont bolt up to W57/8
And yeah, finding a good W50 would be difficult.
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But he does have a W40 - M bellhousing, which is exactly what he needs.
Plenty of W50s around, particularly out of grannymobile Celicas. Our local wreckers are awash with them.
CMk2, have a look at the extension housing/shift position of the W40 in your car. That's the one you want.
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 06:27
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| gianttomato wrote on Mon, 05 January 2004 14:11 |
| CrUZsida wrote on Mon, 05 January 2004 16:34 |
W40 bellhousing wont bolt up to W57/8
And yeah, finding a good W50 would be difficult.
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But he does have a W40 - M bellhousing, which is exactly what he needs.
Plenty of W50s around, particularly out of grannymobile Celicas. Our local wreckers are awash with them.
CMk2, have a look at the extension housing/shift position of the W40 in your car. That's the one you want.
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cool i'll rip the centre console out and have a look, i just rang up a jap wrekers $500 for a w50 low k's (40,000  ) 6 month warranty.
does that sound to expensive.
my other option is my brother has a w58 that he would sell for $300 - $400 should i get that and try and find a bell housing for it?
thanks
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 06:30
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500 is waay to exxy for a W50
that price seems good for a W58, which bellhousing does it have now?
I think Ed still has a W58/M bellhousing for sale if you want to do the conv now
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 06:33
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That's a freakin ridiculous price. I bought a W50 for my Celica about a year ago and they were practically giving them away. I think I paid a bit over $100 and there were stacks to choose from. Go find another wrecker!
FWIW I bought a W57 out of an RA60 a couple of weeks ago and paid $175 for it. You could use a W5x box if you got an M bellhousing, but you'll have to modify your tailshaft and probably the gearbox crossmember as well; on the upside they're a much nicer box than the W40/50 and lighter to boot.
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 06:38
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No tailshaft mods required, and 90% sure no x-member mods required either.
And FWIW, the W50 is the nicest gbox I have ever driven, except the noise.
It shifts better and quicker than any other box I had driven, and also resulted in a quicker 0-100 time
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 06:41
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allright so i'll buy my brothers w58 gearbox bolt up the bell housing from the w40 and get them to mod the tailshaf / gearbox mount and it will be all good yeah?
i'll keep ringing wreckers but i dont want to get one for say $150 then break the fkr a month later 
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 06:44
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| coronamark2 wrote on Mon, 05 January 2004 14:41 |
allright so i'll buy my brothers w58 gearbox bolt up the bell housing from the w40 and get them to mod the tailshaf / gearbox mount and it will be all good yeah?
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You got it backwards, w40 bellhousing wont bolt up, and tailshaft, xmember wont need mods
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 06:48
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geting confused here
right i have a w40 bolted to a 4m are you saying
the w58 will bolt strait up to the 4m (how when it has a diffrent bellhousing)
so can i bolt up the w40 bell housing to the w58 then bolt it to the engine?
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 07:01
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all right now i get it.
but answer me this one question
would my brothers w58 gearbox have a custom bellhousing due to the fact it was bolted to a 202 holden motor?
thats all
thanks
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 07:02
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yes
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 07:05
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| coronamark2 wrote on Mon, 05 January 2004 17:41 |
i'll keep ringing wreckers but i dont want to get one for say $150 then break the fkr a month later
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Theres no way you should break a W50 behind a 4M.
Poeple run them behind V8's so the 4M shouldn't bother it at all.
Oh and i'm running one in the race car and it's given no problems at all.
$150-220 is all you should be qouted at the wreckers.Some places don't even bother to take them out cause they have to many on the shelf.
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 07:05
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last question i sware 
so i would need to get a w58 bellhousing to suit the m motor?
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 07:05
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As Frank said, yes, very much so.
Do us a favour, get under your car, and see how the x-member is bolted on.
On an MA61 Supra, there are only 2 bolt holes on one side, but a series of hole on the other side, thus you can only put the x-member in one place.
But on an MX73 Cressida, there are series of holes on either side, about 6-8. So you can put the x-member in any place you want
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 07:08
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| coronamark2 wrote on Mon, 05 January 2004 15:05 |
last question i sware
so i would need to get a w58 bellhousing to suit the m motor?
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You need to get a MA61/MA70/MZ21/MZ11/MX73 bellhousing to suit it, there are prolly others, but that covers most.
W58->M bellhousing.
On side bolts the gbox, and the other side looks the same as your current bellhousing
(I just said taht to confuse u more  )
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Mon, 05 January 2004 07:12
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all righty then!
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 07:50
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You will never break a W50 behind a relatively stock 4M. I ran one behind my modified 2M and 4Ms for years with no probs at all. After 12 years of abuse (road and track), there is a slight whine in 5th, but it still shifts smoothly.
Fifth gear is suspect behind a 7MGTE, particularly if boosting from low rpm (but we're talking double the power and torque of a modified 4M).
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 10:34
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go a w50.
w57/W58 has a different output shaft (and therefore tailshaft) and 99% sure that the w50 also has a different input shaft so you'll need a different clutch plate to run a w57/58
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 13:03
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| 7M-Brisbane wrote on Mon, 05 January 2004 18:34 |
go a w50.
w57/W58 has a different output shaft (and therefore tailshaft) and 99% sure that the w50 also has a different input shaft so you'll need a different clutch plate to run a w57/58
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Your on drugs if you think that is true
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Mon, 05 January 2004 22:20
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Leigh, the input shaft splines are identical. The output shafts are also identical. You can merrily swap clutch plates and yokes.
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Tue, 06 January 2004 00:52
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Just get a w50, swap the extension housing and the bellhousing from your w40. should be able to get one for a hundered bucks.
if you can't find one for a hundered bucks, I'll sell you one, you just gotta drive to Bathurst.
O/T I have a w57 and a w58, with different extension housings, and the gear sticks aren't interchangeable. different sized balls on the end of the stick I think.
Anyone know why?
Tim
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Tue, 06 January 2004 00:59
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| RA28 wrote on Tue, 06 January 2004 08:52 |
Just get a w50, swap the extension housing and the bellhousing from your w40. should be able to get one for a hundered bucks.
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I'm guessing extension housing is the bit that the shifter itself bolts to, and not the rear housing? coz the rear housings arent interchangeable, but the shifter housing is, but you do have to put the rear housing off the change it (it can be a bitch of a job!!)
| RA28 wrote on Tue, 06 January 2004 08:52 |
O/T I have a w57 and a w58, with different extension housings, and the gear sticks aren't interchangeable. different sized balls on the end of the stick I think.
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Maaaan, thats a wierd thing, unless the w57 is from the earliest Celica possible, and the W58 is from the latest Supra possible... OR, one is from a truck... maybe
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Tue, 06 January 2004 01:21
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You can still swap the shifter but you have to pull the extension housing off and swap parts as required. You may also have to drill an extra hole in the selector fork (I had to do this).
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Tue, 06 January 2004 01:32
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i'll go the w50 i think
thanks for the input guys.
i'll let you know how it launches. 
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Tue, 06 January 2004 02:02
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Pimp Daddy 
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Tue, 06 January 2004 02:04
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i was going to say the same thing 
plushie
I think i'll be getting hack sawie
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Tue, 06 January 2004 02:07
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You bitches giving me shit?
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Tue, 06 January 2004 02:11
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Actually, I think they're complementing its pimpiness.
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Tue, 06 January 2004 02:29
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you call your self a pimp wheres the cum stains
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Tue, 06 January 2004 02:33
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Its called "Big Kev's Goo Remover"
haahh
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Tue, 06 January 2004 02:39
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he only pimps swallowing quality, hes a toyota driver!
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Tue, 06 January 2004 05:56
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I can't believe you posted pics of an empty back seat... where all yo fly bitches at?
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Tue, 06 January 2004 06:01
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I dropped all my fly bitches off at their respective workplaces for the evenings work.
I shall be picking them up later
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Tue, 06 January 2004 14:04
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"Your on drugs if you think that is true"
I was of the understanding you would have to modify the tailshaft to go from W50 to W58, and had assumed this was due to a yoke difference... perhaps it's just that the boxes are different lengths?
*shrugs*
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Tue, 06 January 2004 14:47
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Sorry if that seemed a bit harsh, its just phrase my boss has been using for years, and has rubbed off on me!
As for the boxes being different lengths, no, they are the same length
I went from W50 to W40 to W57 without modding the shaft at all
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Re: what 5spd will bolt strait upto a 4m with a 4spd (w40)
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Tue, 06 January 2004 21:34
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I swapped a W40 to a W57(from a celica Supra) in my crown(MS55).
I'd have to modify the X-member and make the driveshaft longer, but i think that's just for the first gen W40.
http://medlem.spray.se/polkatulk/newpage4.html
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Wed, 07 January 2004 00:31
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WOAH, that is definately an old W40, mine looks nothing like that, I'd guess that that is about the same length as a typical toyota auto
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Wed, 07 January 2004 01:13
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That's actually not a W40. That is an rare 4 speed that only came in some MS55 Deluxes and the MS41S. Worth good money nowadays.
The W40 bellhousing of later 4 speed boxes won't bolt up to it and I'm pretty certain the extension housing won't bolt up to the main steel case. Definitely a different box.
I have only ever seen 2.
Nice Crown by the way! 
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Wed, 07 January 2004 09:33
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I think that gear-box is N40. Does it have electric fourth gear.
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Wed, 07 January 2004 11:32
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The electric overdrive box has a couple of solenoids sticking out the side of the box and never came as a floor shift (only a column shift). This is a fully mechanical 4 speed.
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Wed, 07 January 2004 15:58
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gianttomato - Thanks for that info.
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Wed, 07 January 2004 16:30
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I have a W50 at a decent price if you are still chasing one? PM me if you're interested?
Clint
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