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POR15 - any experience with this product
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Tue, 27 April 2004 12:49
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Hi everyone,
Has anyone used this gear before in the restoration of their car or part there of?
It is available here in Oz from: http://www.ppc.au.com
The US site is here:
http://www.por15.com/
cheers
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Tue, 27 April 2004 13:01
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i will never support a product like i will this one. it is THE BEST product of its type, bar NONE. yes its a bit expensive, but the paints/coatings are simply of the highest quality. service is excellent also.
BUY POR15
/end unpaid advertisement
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Tue, 27 April 2004 13:15
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Thanks Ed and chucky,
I was hoping for more info than just "use it". Cause I have also read this site:
http://www.itkillsrust.com/
And from the info there they smoke POR15 and appear to back themselves pretty well. Might just have to take the plunge.
P.
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Tue, 27 April 2004 13:21
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| Youngy wrote on Tue, 27 April 2004 23:15 |
http://www.itkillsrust.com/
And from the info there they smoke POR15 and appear to back themselves pretty well. Might just have to take the plunge.
P.
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Its called competition.
Another user of POR15, wouldn't use anything else for rust now.
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Tue, 27 April 2004 13:28
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| Youngy wrote on Tue, 27 April 2004 23:15 |
Thanks Ed and chucky,
I was hoping for more info than just "use it".
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what would you like to know. the catalogue is pretty accurate with the information they give, the finishes of the products are as good as they claim, and the POR15 itself if simply awesome at what it does.
folks i know have used it for bare steel house frame supports that sit in perpetually sodden backfill, and we're now YEARS down the track and it still looks 100%
though it DOES SUCK to get on your skin
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Tue, 27 April 2004 13:29
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Tue, 27 April 2004 23:28 |
though it DOES SUCK to get on your skin
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I beleive the sticker says "WARNING: Only time will remove POR15 from your skin."
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Tue, 27 April 2004 13:32
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PS the coating on my headers in the avatar is one of their products, and 18,000km later they look exactly the same (just as bright, high finish quality, no burn)
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Tue, 27 April 2004 13:43
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*thread hijack*
ed - are you back in sydney yet?
you owe me 1 large catheter syringe 
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Tue, 27 April 2004 13:44
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| draven wrote on Tue, 27 April 2004 23:43 |
you owe me 1 large catheter syringe
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err WTF 
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Tue, 27 April 2004 13:46
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not for sexual use (well, not much - ed gets cold feet)
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Tue, 27 April 2004 13:46
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also gunna call "WTF " on that one ....
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Tue, 27 April 2004 15:06
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i used brush, and the paint is this truly crazy consistency that you cant begin to describe... it is truly thinnner to use than slovent, but is high in particulate matter that kind of makes it thick (if that make ANY sense - i said it was hard to descrbe)...
either way, my headers had 2 coats only - thin coats at that (read the instructions), yet the coating is thick and durable.
zero brush marks (as it spreads/bleeds like pure solvent) and a beautiful blemishless finish
see if you can get nathan (justcallmefrank) to link up som picks of his inlet manifold that he did in brilliant sliver (headers are gunmetal grey)
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Tue, 27 April 2004 15:10
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sorry... as for the por15, i used brush, but didnt do any large flat panels that needed levelling for respray (yet anyway). ive done more internal corners, body seam lines and spot welded folded seams etc
it does self level rather well off the brush though.
remember the stuff is brutal to skin and equipment 
again, frank has used this stuff, insted he sprayed his ENTIRE car with the shit, inside and out... hes the man for photos and spraying tips (sadist)
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Tue, 27 April 2004 15:18
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so Ed, you're saying it's harder to work with then normal paint? or it's just a bitch to get off everything?
what product did you use for your headers? does it have thermal insulation properties? or just rust resist?
oh.. so you're saying to use this stuff?
Cya, Stewart
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Tue, 27 April 2004 22:30
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Dude - por15 is the shiz. end of story. i paint galvanised fish tank stands with it when theyre to be used for saltwater fish - a conventional stand lasts around 2 years - 3 mm steel tube before its corroded to the point of collapsing. por15 coated stand just stands there and laughs at the saltwater- its not even affected by it!
dont even bother buying primer for your panels - paint it in this and then do the rest of your body work - it STOPS rust
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Wed, 28 April 2004 00:56
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Hey guys,
Sorry, just woke up Damn 2 hour time difference. As for POR15, I can't recommend it highly enough. Everything I've read on the label is true so far.
You can brush it on and it will spread like it was sprayed. I've found this with all the POR15 products I've used, and I've used a few of them.
The inlet manifold Ed was talking about, and is the one in my avatar, here is a bigger pic:
That was the Brilliant aluminium heat paint.
I went and spoke to multiple spray painters when I was looking into spraying my car. A couple of them that specialise in restoration (most just want insurance jobs) asked what I was covering the rust repairs with and both gave me a big thumbs up for using POR15.
I entrusted my tailgate to a marine application of POR15 (3 coats) and this is how it came out:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/justcallmefrank/130220 04/images/13022004%20009.jpg
That was the POR15 rust paint, in the silver (I was originally using grey, but they had none left at time). I've brushed this on big panels, and you'd think they had been sprayed, heaps of gloss and NO brush marks, hard to take a decent photo of.
I've also used their epoxy putty to repair some bits where rust had eaten through but would've been really difficult to repair with metal. It's expensive, but as easy and strong to use as they say.
I've had a look at those *tests* on the Rust Bullet website, and it's nice to see they have people running around in lab coats, but if you follow the POR15 directions exactly (as I've learnt to do) you will find the results come out different. It is really particular in the way the rust paint will not stick to itself without being tacky or had the gloss sanded off.
Hope that helps, got any more questions don't hesitate to ask.
Nathan
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Wed, 28 April 2004 01:01
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Tue, 27 April 2004 23:10 |
again, frank has used this stuff, insted he sprayed his ENTIRE car with the shit, inside and out... hes the man for photos and spraying tips (sadist)
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Haha, nice call Ed.
Don't get it on your hands, it's a slut.
Plan things carefully, it is MUCH easier to allocate time, do one coat of POR15, wait till it's tacky and spray the second coat. If you don't, you have to rub the gloss off the WHOLE lot and then spray it...and POR15 is not pretty to sand, when applied correctly, it's tough as shit...reassuring, but annoying
As for not using a primer as mentioned, that isn't wholly correct, as other paints don't like adhering to POR15. You need a primer to go between the POR15 and the top coats. Your options are to use Tiecoat, a POR15 primer that is made to bond with glossy POR15, or a normal primer sprayed after paint is keyed (gloss removed). Guess which one I chose 
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Wed, 28 April 2004 02:12
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Well gents I have jumped in with both feet. Went to Werriewood this monrning to the POR15 place and got myself stocked up for the whole process as well as some 'brilliant aluminium' heat paint for the rear disks (the non braking surface).
Hopefully it comes out like some of the things in the display room. Your right about the finish with just a brush - amazing to look at and run your hand over. Since the stuff I'll be doing is under the car it is a shame I won't be looking at it more.......
Nathan,
How did you prepare the surface of the inlet manifold for the heat paint? I didn't get an information sheet for the heat paint!
Thanks
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Wed, 28 April 2004 02:15
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I cleaned it with Marine Clean, which is something I also should have mentioned, works soooooo well diluted 3:1 with warm water.
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Wed, 28 April 2004 02:17
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Really, that's all! You didn't need to use a wire brush to get rid of any surface paint or rust at all?
Cheers
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Wed, 28 April 2004 02:20
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It was a cast alloy inlet manifold, there was no paint or rust on it, just a whole pile of oil and dirt.
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Wed, 28 April 2004 03:40
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So with the POR15 rust paint I could take my car back to bare metal and paint it on with a brush, and it would be nice an smooth in the end to apply the Tiecoat primer? And then have a expert apply the top coats?
Is the Tiecoat self leveling?
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Wed, 28 April 2004 03:41
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Well Nathan this is my plan of attack.
Use a drill with a wire brush fitting to get rid of the rusty surface. Rub it all down with 240 grit to key it all (as the wire brush can polish to an extent). Then use marine clean and paint it with brush.
Once it sets a little I have been told to hit it with the heat gun to make it set properly.
Is this a reasonable approach for the heat paint?
Thanks
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Wed, 28 April 2004 03:45
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Cool1,
Yes, you could, also that being said, for large patches, it is easier to hire a compressor. I found having bad brushes was a pain and cleaning brushes with POR15 is a slut because once it dries the brush is stuffed. Substitute brush for compressor and thats what I've done.
Youngy,
That sounds good, I attacked my inlet manifold with a heat gun, but the other bits I did went in the oven It just needs to get hot to fully cure.
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Wed, 28 April 2004 03:45
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fwiw i had my headers sand blasted before coating for the best finish and adhesion
cheers
ed
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Wed, 28 April 2004 03:48
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I guess seeing that the stuff is self leveling, you wouldn't need a gun hand to spray the stuff on.
Is the Tiecoat self leveling?
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Wed, 28 April 2004 03:55
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I think the Tiecoat is self levelling, have not read the instructions yet.
But it is sandable so you can make it very smooth.
In the oven! Nice, I did not even think of that!
Speaking of spraying I got this little throw away spray bottle thing as well for doing small jobs up to about 500ml before the aerosol runs out of puff, should come in handy. Probably no good for doing a whole car, you would burn through the cans!
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Thu, 29 April 2004 02:10
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Hi Guys, Just adding my experience: I brush-painted my engine bay with Por15 black but wasn't happy with the look of so much black under the hood so just before the Por15 cured, I sprayed it in body color enamel (which bonded to the Por15 like the proverbial shit to a blanket). When the color coats dried, I brushed on 2 heavy coats of Por15 clear. That was nearly 3 years ago & it still has the same flawless,deep,high-gloss finish as the day it was painted. Some guys at a local paint& body shop saw it & couln't believe it was brush painted. The rest of the car has since had the Por15 treatment because it's the only thing I've found that stops rust. Regards, Cindy.
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Thu, 29 April 2004 02:56
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WHere can one get this POR15 stuff in Melbourne?
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Thu, 29 April 2004 03:46
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Jeez, guys. This stuff sounds like Miricle Paint. You've nearly inspired me to have a go at it. What would be a rough cost of coating a car body in the rust sealing POR15? And then the Tiecoat?
cheers,
Justin
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Thu, 29 April 2004 06:40
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You should talk to the guys here:
http://www.ppc.au.com
Very helpful
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Thu, 29 April 2004 06:44
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I've bought about 3l of POR15 rust paint which has covered my cockups too to do the whole car. I've done two coats over each rust repair, and 2 coats over everything. I don't forsee me running out before I finish the last couple of panels.
I originally bought 1l of TieCoat, but being a novice I wasted some and bought another 1l to be safe
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Thu, 29 April 2004 07:47
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i got my paint from a shop in Hartnett Drive in Seaford. i cannot remember what its called but its a small chain and they paint their shops red. Ill find out.
Brad
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Tue, 01 June 2004 02:52
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Ow, $95 per litre of Whitecote.
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Tue, 01 June 2004 09:01
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this is a tad off topic, but i'm trying to form some plan of attack for my rust situation 
its starting to show something bad in certain places(poor baby was left outside for 4 months....wasnt the smartest choice but i couldnt afford undercover parking...or anything but free parking at the time)
anywho
is there any benifit to sanding back the paint over using a paint stripper to get the paint off, then de rusting\bogging(or if needed welding in peices of metal *shudder*) sanding that back then going from there?
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Tue, 01 June 2004 09:11
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The biggest benefit to not using paint stripper is that it's easier to clean. That said, using paint stripper also left the factory coating on the metal whereas sanding removes everything. That said, I used paint stripper after sanding to begin with, and I would NOT recommend sanding....takes SOOO long!
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Tue, 01 June 2004 09:18
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how do you mean "easier to clean"(its probably something really self explanatory but my brains on vacation till tomorrow when i wake up....5:15am )
and leaving the factory coat on the metal...is this a disadvantage, or doesn't it really matter?
that said...i really would like to avoid as much sanding as possible, i saw how long it took my mate to take the bonnet on his RA28 back to metal, i'd rather avoid that sort of tedium as i get enough boring shitty jobs at work
another slightly off topic thingo...hows progress on "project millennium" going?
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Tue, 01 June 2004 09:22
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Well, paint stripper is this gooey shit, that makes paint turn gooey, so you end up with a big gooey mess Thats why it is hard to clean.
As for the factory coating, in my eyes it can only be a good thing, the stuff I sanded back gets a coating of surface rust pretty quickly, and the stripped stuff shows no sign of rusting providing the coating didn't get scratched.
As for Project DECADE (if you're going to poke fun, get it right ), it's going just as it was in my members ride's thread. Nothing since I started uni.
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Tue, 01 June 2004 09:26
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I vote for the wire brush and drill method. Its really really easy and fast to do. At least for me where my rust is in small very confined patches, quite easy to remove overall.
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Tue, 01 June 2004 09:29
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Tue, 01 June 2004 19:22 |
Well, paint stripper is this gooey shit, that makes paint turn gooey, so you end up with a big gooey mess Thats why it is hard to clean.
As for the factory coating, in my eyes it can only be a good thing, the stuff I sanded back gets a coating of surface rust pretty quickly, and the stripped stuff shows no sign of rusting providing the coating didn't get scratched.
As for Project DECADE (if you're going to poke fun, get it right ), it's going just as it was in my members ride's thread. Nothing since I started uni.
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easy fix to that
quit uni and finish it
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Sat, 12 June 2004 08:51
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Has anyone else gotten small pinhole bubbles on their coat? I just did a brush on and it went on pretty well at first, but started to develop pinholes after the first little bit was coated.
Its currently drying so i hope itll just coagulate.
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Sat, 12 June 2004 08:57
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No trace of water, was a combination of wire brushed steel and pre-existing smooth paint (slightly roughed up). It is fairly cold and slightly damp air around here, but it is currently drying under the heat of a flood lamp so im hoping itll be ok.
Ill go check now.
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Sat, 12 June 2004 10:16
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Did you clean the surface off with metho or similar?
Any oils (even finger prints) on the surface will cause that.
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Sat, 12 June 2004 10:28
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I didnt.
This was a test area anyway, ill probably go over it again with another coat later.
Wanted to check if the weather was dry enough to paint, dont think it is.
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Sat, 12 June 2004 10:54
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It'll be water. POR15 is a shit when it comes to water, it has to be really dry.
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Sat, 12 June 2004 14:23
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Probably was water, it was a damp day today. Ill just sand it back and apply a better coat tomorrow.
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Sun, 13 June 2004 01:24
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The problem here is that it is dealing with the airborne or seaborne release of PMDI. In this case the PMDI is an active ingredient (uses water as catalyst) and sealed within the paint. That said it probably wouldnt be nice in a fire.
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Sun, 13 June 2004 01:40
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Ill give an official response to the chemical dangers once my gf comes around and reads the chemical ingredients.....
still... cant be much worse than australian petrol and its >5% benzene content!
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Sun, 13 June 2004 02:35
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I didn't think benzene or benzo chemicals were anywhere near as bad as cyanates...
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| Toobs wrote on Sun, 13 June 2004 09:07 |
You guys might want to read the MSDS before using this stuff... looks like death in a can!
MSDS can be seen here
Active ingredients
-Diphenylmethane Diisocyanate
-Naptha Petroleum (not really much of a problem this one... pretty much what carby cleaner is)
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Like a lot of paint products, it is NOT nice stuff. They are pretty particular about using it in a ventilated area on the instructions.
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