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| ed_ma61 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2004 22:41 |
ma61 supra
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OH YEAH!
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Wed, 26 May 2004 23:02
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Quit stealing my ideas! 
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well we already though of putting it into a 240z....
only issue is that so far i've only come across one minorly damaged car that they wanted a bomb for, & 3 undamaged ones (that were each under 1/2 the price of the damaged one) still not cheap enough to justify buying for just the motor though
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Wed, 26 May 2004 23:42
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If I get one, it will be going into an MX32.
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Wed, 26 May 2004 23:51
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5.0L M70 V12
a little cheaper and easier to find
(plus theyre front sump)
same bore/stroke as a 1jz - can anyone say "revs"
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Wed, 26 May 2004 23:59
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How cheap are we talking here? Cheaper than $2500?
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| Norbie wrote on Thu, 27 May 2004 09:59 |
How cheap are we talking here? Cheaper than $2500?
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can get immaculate, running, 60k engine, with ecu's (ugghhh), all accs, and extra bits (inc bellhousing + manual flywheel) for $2200
or, as GT says, engine from burnt vehicle for high hundreds
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Thu, 27 May 2004 02:24
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oh, (and norbie will like this one) stock compression ratio is 8.8:1
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Thu, 27 May 2004 03:03
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ive got details of 2 good and 1 burnt engine available, ill dig up the details and get back to you.
do a search for v12 on these forums and youll surely dig up pics and specs galore
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Thu, 27 May 2004 03:34
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bmw specs:
M70 60deg 5.0L V12 sohc
300hp @ 5200
332ft/bs @ 3900
6000rpm redline (750i)
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Thu, 27 May 2004 12:23 |
can get immaculate, running, 60k engine, with ecu's (ugghhh), all accs, and extra bits (inc bellhousing + manual flywheel) for $2200
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oh, (and norbie will like this one) stock compression ratio is 8.8:1
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VERY interesting!
OK, someone buy my Supra so I can build a twin-turbo V12 MX73! 
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Thu, 27 May 2004 04:36
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lol...
i was thinking whether a v12 ma61 was possible today on my walk home from uni....
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Thu, 27 May 2004 04:42
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yes, its easy, and to do really well, and have a 450hp NA weapon, it would only set you back about....hrrmmm $10-12,000
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Thu, 27 May 2004 14:12 |
yes, its easy, and to do really well, and have a 450hp NA weapon, it would only set you back about....hrrmmm $10-12,000
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That's pretty cheap really. It would be an awesome thing to hear, and to get 450Hp from a NA engine (yes, even a V8) isn't dirt cheap or easy.
Damn! Now I want a V12 too.
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Thu, 27 May 2004 06:09
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If anyone is feeling rich, you can source a brand new 1GZ-FE from Toyota Japan for a measly $25,000 AUD.
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Thu, 27 May 2004 07:37
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add one "special sort of car" and you have yourself the ultimate pimp car.
(you know what im thinking Norbie...)
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Thu, 27 May 2004 07:48
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hehehe...I post a question regarding a Toyota engine on a toyota website, and get told to use a BMW v12 instead..kinda funny!
Reason I am after the toyota v12, is because no-one else is doing it! I was considering a datsun 2000 fairlady coupe, a tad rarer than the 240z which seems to receive every engine known to mankind!
However I need the size to find out if it will fit. I just had a chat to the rego boys here in the ACT, and it looks like I can get almost anything passed if I throw enough money at it!
Does anyone know the physical size? (Otherwise I will get bored and put a 20b naturally aspirated running lpg with racing beat super high compression rotors into a caterham!)
Cheers....
PS No BMW engine for me please *grin*
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Thu, 27 May 2004 08:46
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1GZ-FE.
Nothing articulate to add, other than I want one!!!
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Thu, 27 May 2004 08:58
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Geee people really like the old fairlady's...a simple cut and shut with full chassis mod and I could make it fit!! (I actually thought there was more room under a fairladys bonnet however, so scratch that one..I will find another car to put it in. Suggestions welcome as long as it is a rare, or unusual car that is sporty, and can be made to handle)
Still after the dimensions of the v12....anyone??
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Thu, 27 May 2004 09:07
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And then to rice it up.....
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Thu, 27 May 2004 13:12
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i think there was some US megasquirt enthusiast who worked out that you can drive each bank of 6 cyl's off separate ECUs - it just share the sensors (TPS, AFM, CLT AIT, O2) ...
if you did do an install, i wouldn;t bother going factory electricals unless you're <sideshow> ...
btw - v8_ma61's dad has a v12 jag on the floor of his workshop... the thing is fuken huge ... and is a horribly inefficient engine ... plus it comes with factory installed electrical problems 
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Thu, 27 May 2004 13:35
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Replace "problems" with "fire" and you're spot on. 
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Thu, 27 May 2004 22:45
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A 10 second look at a Jag V12 and you realise what a steaming pile of dog shit they are. OK for their time, but really, we have moved on from there. They're the 2M of V12s.
The only realistic option for budgets like ours is the BMW V12. Merc V12s are possible but still mighty expensive. Anything else is rather exotic.
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| lumpy wrote on Fri, 28 May 2004 09:05 |
Reminds me of the 2000GT with an auto 2jz-ge in zoom or hpi a year or two ago. $200,000 worth of car ruined for a $1000 engine.
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Thu, 27 May 2004 23:38
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Yep. It's in Japan. Apparently the 2000GT engine was too hard to find parts for (his was auto originally) so to make it more user friendly he put a 2jzge in it. Absolute clown. 
I've still got the mag, so when I get from holidays in 3 weeks I can scan the pics and send the article to you if you like. It also featured a 260z with an RB25.
I had the good fortune to see a 2000GT in the flesh last year in a classic car rally. It was red and looked beautiful - never found the owner though. I'd give a whole pile of body parts for one of these cars.
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It's not like the bits can't be made. If I had the money to buy a 2000GT, then it's very likely I have the money to afford to get billet bits made. Apparently (according to Toysport US), the cam bearings are an issue. Nevertheless it's still possible to get the shells recoated.
Hopefully they didn't throw out the 3M. 
The article would be great - if only in a "I can't help but watch the train crash" kind of way.
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Fri, 28 May 2004 00:15
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No worries - I'll scan it and send it when I return.
I agree about getting the hard to find bits made - surely better than butchering a car. If they can rebuild a Bugatti from a bent piece of chassis and an engine block surely machining the parts required isn't that hard. Being toyota, there's unlike to be a large amount if parts made specifically for one engine or car.
WARNING - THREAD HIJACK IN PROGESS! 
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Fri, 28 May 2004 00:32
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WARNING - THREAD HIJACK IN PROGESS!
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Meh! No one here knows the answer to his original question. He's been offered an alternative. Ane remember, he wants to put it all in some rare car.
It's a bit like catering for someone who likes to eat whale or baby fur seal.
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Fri, 28 May 2004 00:48
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Yeah baby seal is not bad, but I prefer the flavour of Platypus or even Koala
I wish this thread was never started. I've just sold my "toy" car, and have no chance of getting another one for ages but am now thinking Hmmmmmm V12.
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Fri, 28 May 2004 02:05
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if the 2000GT originally had an auto transmisson then it would have been an MF12, powered by a 2M with triple carbs.
this is the last gasp desperate to sell model with aircon and some other fancy shmacy mod cons, to try and get them off the showroom floor.
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Fri, 28 May 2004 02:08
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more info
Late in the cars life and in an attempt to re-kindle enthusiasm from the American market place, Toyota built a limited run of nine (9) 2000gt's with automatic transmissions. These nine cars were also blessed with air conditioning but were limited to the single cam 2300cc engine (2m). As I understand it, this variant was designated MF-12. ~ struan
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CLASSIC NOT PLASTIC
(Two thoroughbred classics in superb original condition... or are they?)
Sacrilegious is the first word that comes to mind, but let's look at it rationally. If you have a Toyota 2000GT (one of the rarest and most valuable Japaneses sports cars) and you want to drive it regularly, you're in trouble. Parts for the twin cam two-litre six are non-existent, ditto the fragile manual transmission. Reliability was never impressive on this car, let alone 33 years after it was built.
A high power engine is out of the question, as the chassis hasn't got the torsional rigidity to cope, so what can you do? C&Y Sports, masters of the weird engine swap, came up with an interesting answer. They picked up a 2JZ-GE (as used in the non-turbo Supra) with an automatic gearbox. An engine like this is worth about $500 in Japan, so there is no question about reliability. If it breaks you can just get another one.
The 2JZ-GE is a very smooth, torquey engine with quite a sporty top-end output of 230ps, compared to 160ps for the original two-litre (and that was an SAE rating, so it's more like 140ps). The old diff is not exactly up to hard gear-changes, so an automatic is quit a reasonable choice. We chose not too ask about the age of the owner. In any case, the lucky gent now has a 2000GT that goes better than the original, starts first go, is perfectly reliable and has service intervals of 20,000km... no - it's still sacrilegious.
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Fri, 28 May 2004 03:36
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Seeing thoes 1GZ heads makes me think that a pair of CT12a's on each bank would be at home........
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I just typed it out of the HPI mag that its in..... would have scanned it if i had a scanner.
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mother of christ were they expecting 68 billion NM of torque - that thing is amazing!
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Hehe, Go with the M70 the 1GZ-FE is just so goddam expensive its not funny.
They are found in the Toyota Century (toyota's limo) which I worked out to be brand new at around $300,000nz.
Then you gotta find a wreaked one, which is near impossible as they are treated like gold (with good reason too) and ive only heard of one wreak and for the motor alone a certain company here in NZ was quoted $10,000nz.
If you got the cash, do it. Theres also a TRD option Twin Turbo kit for some more torque apparently. But if you dont, who really cares if its a Toyota V12 or someone elses
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Fri, 28 May 2004 09:55
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$10k NZ isn't that much....
I am after an unusual car to place it into, I don't (And won't) destroy a cult classic. A Fairlady is not really that rare, there are a number available that are in horrible condition if you hunt a little bit. (I would restore a wreck, not destroy a current good condition toy!) As it has been pointed out however, the chance of me fitting the v12 under the bonnet of a fairlady is somewhat impossible! Thus I will find another car to fit one in.
The reason for wanting the 1GZ-FE is exclusivity. No-one else might know..but I will. I could just throw a Supra engine in a celica, or a rb26 into a silvia..but I have never been very good at following the norm. The M70 has been placed into a number of cars recently, it seems to be gaining popularity (Kinda like the lexus 4.0 about 2-3 years ago)
If anyone would like to suggest another unheard of conversion, feel free. Also still after dimensions if anyone has access to them (Big ask I know!) and once I know dimensions, I will seek help for a body to fit it in.
Cheers and thankyou for the help so far.
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Fri, 28 May 2004 10:10
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3UZFE into a Nissan 180sx
Thats what i want to do 
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Then you gotta find a wreaked one, which is near impossible as they are treated like gold (with good reason too) and ive only heard of one wreak and for the motor alone a certain company here in NZ was quoted $10,000nz.
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A complete 1GZ-FE with transmission recently sold on the Yahoo Japan auctions for the equivalent of about AU$1500. And I came THIS CLOSE to buying it. Turns out they're not as expensive as everyone seems to think, but they are still pretty rare.
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1GZ-FE into 60's or 70's crown = old school classic with unexpected V12 action.  A bit like Sean's crown with the 1FZ-FE (4.5Lt 6 cyl) + big turbo. Be prepared for lots and lots of fabrication though!!
If you're thinking sportscar, why not deviate from jap cars and do a V12 Corvette? Or try and source a Rolls Royce Merlin V12?
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The $1500 auction price was not far off what I have found myself...(BTW i'm not telling *grin*)
As I can't speak japanese however, i need to find the dimensions, just so i can see if it will fit into anything else..
Crown with v12 power...*scary* Last crown i was in wallowed all over the road, and seemed to have a chassis made from rubber!
Corvette , i was looking at one on the tradingpost at the moment, $8k RHD, heavy fire damage to left front however. (New guard, b piller, bonnet, inner guard, possibly a firewall needed.)
180sx is a bit too common. Although if I could fit a v12 under the bonnet, it would certainly become rarer
Keep em coming people...especially dimensions if anyone has access to the info.
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I see you had cambelt (Dave) come over and do all the work for you!
Sean keeps promising me another ride now that the crown is and running but I haven't got my affairs in order yet and am still waiting on approval for my life insurance policy . Nice work on the crown - there's a sedan with a similar grille parked a few doors down from my fiance's house...kind of looking abandoned.
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Cambelt came over to do the seagull thing on the halfcut. The least he could do was hold a lever as we pushed the motor into the Crown.
I have to do a rack and pinion conversion on the thing - will go to be done in the next fortnight. See, if I had a 1GZFE, with the 60 degree banks (and no steering box fouling issues), I wouldn't have had to do that. Gotta spend money to save money!
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Hey Sandman, this project sounds fantastic! How about putting the engine into an American car? If you want to make it even more rare, how about the only production mid-engine American car ever made? I'm referring to a Pontiac Fiero GT, I currently own one, and I reckon with a few modifications, it could easily fit, and I could tell you that you'd be the only person in the world to do this conversion, and it would also be a car that not too many people own... My Pontiac is currently for sale if you're interested It looks a little something like this: http://www.fiero.nl/gallery/Cars/fierohill.JPG
If you're interested, send me a PM or something.
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I think a fiero transplant would be a tad difficult, not only would I have to find a way to fit an engine almost twice the size into a mid mounted location, with associated cooling problems. But I would have to find a transaxle that could handle the torque. That one I believe would be beyond my enthuisiastic but limited ability.
I do like the Fiero though. Maybe try the forums on camaro-firebird.org.au to plug it. (I have been considering some of the f-body cars for a transplant.)
If my car sells in the next few weeks, I might be able to purchase an Aston Martin DBS, that has no engine for the right kind of price...a V12 into that should fit..and considering the low volume of them produced I very much doubt the would be something even remotely similar in the world. *grin*
Still after dimensions if anyone stubs their toe on one of these!
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Sat, 29 May 2004 16:13
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I had the good fortune to see a 2000GT in the flesh last year in a classic car rally.
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What rally???
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How about a Honda Civic hatch with a NSX powertrain? Mounted mid engined just like the NSX. Talk about a sleeper. Not as exotic as you want though.
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.......if you can purchase a 1GZFE for around the 1500 dollar mark, even allowing 500 for shipping, why the hell wouldn't you?
at that price, even if it comes in and its too big the worst that can happen is you sell it for 4000, i know that if someone offered me such an engine even if it were 5000 the money would be in thier hand and in would be on its way into an MA61. im sure the engine would be roughly the same length as a J series 6 and not quite as wide as a 1U only being an F series head. so its going to fit pretty well in anything that takes a reasonable 6 cyl.
If you can get the 1GZFE for that price, PM me ill give you the money and when i get it comes in we will measure it for you straight away, then i will put it on the back of my truck and go home and dedicate a small portion of my life to installing it in a supra.......
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September 2002
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Re: 1GZ-FE 5litre V12 Dimensions and weight??
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Sat, 29 May 2004 19:29
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btw, the MA70 supra is not a particularly common car in Australia, it also accomodates a fairly sizey 6 and has an insanely over-engineered engine crossmember which definately could handle a heavy engine, they look tough and stylish and often come with an R154, which dare i suggest is one of the safest manual boxes for high power output vehicles. sure its not as rare as an aston martin DBS but its a reasonably practical and also affordable option. also look at the MZ21 soarer which is less common and has the same running gear, both of these cars are also good from the point of view that you can pick up spares and suspension upgrades ect from importers for next to nothing.
...or if you have a bit of bogan blood in your veins, a ford XA, XB, or XC coupe would take an engine as thus and there are less and less of them around every year thanks to rust......nuff said.
[Updated on: Sat, 29 May 2004 19:33]
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M70 V12
