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My project - Completed and Revieled - NOW WITH VID
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ive just completed an engine transplant and topped it off with a suspension swap also in my AE86.
here are the specs.
Engine: CA18det with stock ECU, running a Rb20 M spec roller turbo on a stock CA manifold with an A Spec flange adaptor, RB20 Engine mounts on AE86 cross member, A Spec Gearbox mount with urathane Bush. Custom tailshaft, Uras Short shifter. Intercooling is taken care of by a Hybrid Apexi core with custom pipes, Radiator is a ST185 Celica item. S13 gearbox with Nismo 6 plate clutch.
Suspension: S13 Tein HE Winding Master Drift Spec fully adjustable body with height, preload and damper offering adjustability. AE86 HKS Camber tops, RA40 celica Tie Rods, KE70 Steeringrack, SR20 Brakes, Trust Rotors with Trust pads. Braided brake linea with R32 master cyln.
so.. whats it go like? The responce of the Rb roller is simply amazing, there is NO lag whatsoever!, I like to think of it as a high horse power 4age, it revs its tits off, is super responsive, and sounds good doing it 
I know this is going to piss some toyota people off, but i did this cause the whole thing worked out fairly cheap. parts were around 2K for the motor package and the susp all up. So im fairly happy with the results.
Handling? is pretty good so far, been out tonight getting a feel for the car since i havent driven it much and i have a drift day tomorrow. It is very direct, turn in is incredible, Brakes are also unfadeable for an AE86, I'll give a further report of how it goes tomorrow. But from tonights little hills strap... 3rd and 4th gear drifts are all too easy.
comments?
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Sat, 17 July 2004 12:24
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how hard was it fitting the ca18 in? complete mounting adjustments? sounds pretty powerful! got pics? update us after you fully test it aye!
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Sat, 17 July 2004 12:38
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CA was an easy fit, good 20cm clearance between motor and radiator, also got 10cm clearance with firewall.
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Sat, 17 July 2004 13:03
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I am very pissed off , why would you fit a nissan motor ? it just not a toyota  You could have spent three time that to get a gze to that level of power . S13 front suspension and brakes , but why ? you could have spent shit loads on redesigned the toyota front end , lowering roll centers , correcting arm angles , adapting big brakes , never getting it correct .
Ahh thats it now  And i thought you where a Toyota purest , keep the Ae86's for 4age's club etc . I and very disappointed . I would never condone that sort of conversion !!  spending not much to get big power with reliability . And spares parts and bolt on performance with ease  .
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Sat, 17 July 2004 13:04
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MATE nice work... sounds awsome... all i want ferom you is dyno sheets and pics posted... prefer pics of drift also couple engine bay pics too...
is this the beast your gonna try and bring to oran park??? if so might try and get out there to see it
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Sat, 17 July 2004 13:09
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hope to make Oran, we'll see how things pan out.
dyno sheets? not really interested in power but i'dput a guess on it being around 145-150 rwkw's atm, it just FEELS like more due to the responce of the turbo.
pics coming tomorrow
Adam: damn smartarse my theroy if it works, then it works, doesnt matter what the damn brand is 
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Sat, 17 July 2004 13:11
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 I was wondering what you were up to with that thing.....
Can you post up some pics of the engine bay if you get a chance? Can't wait to see it at Oran Park!
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Sat, 17 July 2004 22:46
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You had me right up to the point you said CA18. then it went downhill, sorry
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Sat, 17 July 2004 23:52
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Mate sounds unreal! Really hope you make it up to Oran park in September so I can check it out first hand.
Did you use S13 lower control arms or AE86?
With the whole toyota/bastardisation thing  .. I reckon if another car manufacture makes superiour parts then why not use it? Unless you are trying to restore a Toyota to factory spec then I reckon only use Toyota parts, but otherwise just use what is avaliable man.
Like with brakes especially, why would you use some heavy cast 4 spots from a Landcruiser when you can get some alloy larger 4 spots from a Nissan?
Cheers
Joel
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Re: My project - Completed and Revieled
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Sun, 18 July 2004 00:37
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I am very pissed off , why would you fit a nissan motor ? it just not a toyota You could have spent three time that to get a gze to that level of power . S13 front suspension and brakes , but why ? you could have spent shit loads on redesigned the toyota front end , lowering roll centers , correcting arm angles , adapting big brakes , never getting it correct .
Ahh thats it now And i thought you where a Toyota purest , keep the Ae86's for 4age's club etc . I and very disappointed . I would never condone that sort of conversion !! spending not much to get big power with reliability . And spares parts and bolt on performance with ease .
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QUIET YOU!
P.s I think my sarcasm detector just overloaded!
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Sun, 18 July 2004 00:43
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what i mean to say is cool
i wouldnt say the ca18 is superior to a 4agte.. just is superior for cost, which it is.. i ran into another guy the other day here in qld "the 86" doing same conversion.. for the ammount it costs its an absolute bargain, good work... pics!
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Sun, 18 July 2004 01:37
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| Simon-AE86 wrote on Sat, 17 July 2004 23:09 |
Adam: damn smartarse my theroy if it works, then it works, doesnt matter what the damn brand is
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100% agree
so none be to harsh if a non toyota motor ever turns up in my engine bay 
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Sun, 18 July 2004 07:15
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sarcasm , really of course
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Sun, 18 July 2004 07:24
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im a purist so i wont ever do such a conversion in MY car
but dont get me wrong, thats not to say that this isnt FUCKIGN COOL!
man simmo you have a "mini stattsmobile" now HEHE
i wanna see this bitch DRIFT!
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Sun, 18 July 2004 08:29
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drift it does....
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Sun, 18 July 2004 08:31
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some pics to come in a few hours
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Sun, 18 July 2004 09:47
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| Simon-AE86 wrote on Sun, 18 July 2004 17:59 |
drift it does....
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 Fark yes! It drifts hard as. Will be woopin at Calder this year
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Sun, 18 July 2004 09:54
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Hey Simon - almost second guessed it ... thought it'd be an SR20 instead but close enuff ...
Shano's in Japan ATM and you wouldn't believe the stuff u can get over there. He's sent lots of photos - believe he's already picked up a 180SX with some fruit for $1,900 AUD and is drifting the hell out of it. There's also a Trueno coupe he was looking at for around $500 AUD as well.
Can't wait for you two to get together - it'd be awesome to see you both go parallel drifting again.
Thumbs up for the conversion - whilst I like the 4AG, I ain't got anything against a non-Toyota motor.
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Sun, 18 July 2004 10:09
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Interesting steering end set-up! Would like to know why those items were used Simon.
Cheers
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Sun, 18 July 2004 10:36
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ive heard people have trouble with the clutch with this conversion? no troubles with that?
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Sun, 18 July 2004 10:38
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youngy: you mean the tie rods? Used them and modded them to fit, cause the KE70 ones were too short
I used S13 susp arms, again modded to fit.
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Sun, 18 July 2004 12:02
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Sun, 18 July 2004 12:04
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is that your car??? if so what plates are they?????
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Sun, 18 July 2004 12:08
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dead sexy man
i love the camber!
the plates are jap man
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Sun, 18 July 2004 12:16
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-4.2 degrees to be exact, toomuch i know but couldnt wind them back in time for the drift day due to having to wind back the control arms.
and yeah, plates are jap
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Sun, 18 July 2004 12:21
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Sun, 18 July 2004 13:13
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Sun, 18 July 2004 13:15
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DAMN that looks like a nice fit... is it supposed to be sitting on an angle like that or was that done to get it to fit?
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Sun, 18 July 2004 13:22
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yep thats how they sit
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Sun, 18 July 2004 13:25
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fair enough. cause iv seen this conversion in an ra23 and the motor sat straight/flat... either way WHO CARES... looks nice mate, job well done and good luck with it mechanical wise and DRIFT wise
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Sun, 18 July 2004 13:34
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yeah CA's have a weird angle of around 10 degrees or something. suits me cause it fits, and runs, and the intercooler isnt straight either so, everything is on an angle
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Sun, 18 July 2004 13:44
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and the car drives at ANGLES
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Sun, 18 July 2004 14:07
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love the wiring lol
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Sun, 18 July 2004 14:08
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yes well.. thats a sore point that one
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Sun, 18 July 2004 14:27
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you could definately get it to look stock
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Sun, 18 July 2004 14:49
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hey mate, love the 86, i thought i might of read in another post that your getting a new paintjob, if so im just curious to know what colour your going?
cheers mate
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Sun, 18 July 2004 16:33
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Just curious, any reason why you didn't choose the SR20 over the CA18, being the SR is a more rev happy, power producing engine.
Money can't be that much of a factor considering you just put a Nissan engine in a Toyota.
Other than that, nice ride, engine looks like its been there its whole life ^_^
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Sun, 18 July 2004 21:58
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| CheeseCake_Bandit wrote on Mon, 19 July 2004 02:33 |
Just curious, any reason why you didn't choose the SR20 over the CA18, being the SR is a more rev happy, power producing engine.
Money can't be that much of a factor considering you just put a Nissan engine in a Toyota.
Other than that, nice ride, engine looks like its been there its whole life ^_^
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Im also interested in why you went CA18 over SR20 ?
Or did you get one for free? heh
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Sun, 18 July 2004 23:26
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well first of all, the Sr isnt as rev happy as the CA18det, the CA will rev to 8000 rpm all day with no worries.
I chose it cause it was cheap, its cheap to get another if something goes wrong.
and i just dont like SR20's!
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Sun, 18 July 2004 23:56
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Having done this conversion about 5yrs ago (and stupidly agreeing to do another soon for a friend) I can point out another issue with the SR that doesnt happen with the CA.
The SR is a lot taller then the CA and requires you space the xmember down to get bonnet clearance. This of course stuffs up the lower control arm angles and affects the steering. With a normal sprinter strut you could use roll centre adjusters to bring it back in line but having used the S13 struts the arent the same design and you cannot alter the lower arm mounting point.
Looks quite neat
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Mon, 19 July 2004 00:04
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cheers, i cant notice any negitive handling differences, its not worse then before, just different and i need to get used to it thats all.
turn in is amazing tho!
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Mon, 19 July 2004 00:07
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yes, turn in is much faster because the S13 steering arms are about 25mm shorter then the standard AE86 ones. Should be able to get greater steering angle too, although tyre wear might be a bit fast but being a drifter thats not relevant anyway
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Mon, 19 July 2004 00:17
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true true, its just like having the AE86 PS arms on the non PS rack!
someone asked me what colour im painting the car, Its going to be a silver/purple car with heavy metalics running through it
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Mon, 19 July 2004 00:27
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i think thats the same colours as the one thats getting the ca18 that i saw the other night
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Mon, 19 July 2004 00:31
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haha bring it on then!
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Mon, 19 July 2004 00:55
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| soarer21 wrote on Mon, 19 July 2004 09:56 |
Having done this conversion about 5yrs ago (and stupidly agreeing to do another soon for a friend) I can point out another issue with the SR that doesnt happen with the CA.
The SR is a lot taller then the CA and requires you space the xmember down to get bonnet clearance. This of course stuffs up the lower control arm angles and affects the steering. With a normal sprinter strut you could use roll centre adjusters to bring it back in line but having used the S13 struts the arent the same design and you cannot alter the lower arm mounting point.
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??Space the crossmember down ? Why , how far forward is the motor if that is required ? Yes that first one done it sydney was done like this i have heard . Ae86 subframe will just come apart with the torque force of the sr anyway . if you are going to all the conversion trouble you would correct all this as the vehicle will be way quicker than its intended design  .
Lower arm angle , the S13 struts have a lower roll centre 30-35mm depending on which series hubs are used . Different offset pivot point locations for the steering also a different arm arch axis , so if you are going to use these you might relocated the rack . As well correct the crappy arm angle to comply with the struts do you the incorrect ball joint angle , yes S13 lower control arms are angled towards the front of the car at the inner subframe 7.3', ae86 toyota arms are straight 90' axis . Another issue .
Research . Lots of night on msn etc this has become clear to Simon i bet , if not a bit of brain working session
Yer does look neat there , must have NOT been wired by the guy how did your old 16V motor .
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Ae86 subframe will just come apart with the torque force of the sr anyway . if you are going to all the conversion trouble you would correct all this as the vehicle will be way quicker than its intended design .
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i doubt it.. the sr20 isnt very torquey anyway
then how do u explain people with 1g gte's.. id say they would be more torquey than an sr20
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Mon, 19 July 2004 01:32
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not so, the SR is an over square motor, produces a lot of torque (esp with a few mods and a decent turbocharger)
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Mon, 19 July 2004 01:36
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| Simon-AE86 wrote on Mon, 19 July 2004 09:32 |
not so, the SR is an over square motor, produces a lot of torque (esp with a few mods and a decent turbocharger)
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Actually the SR is square, just like a 3SGE 86x86. Moot point though, your car looks cool man
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Mon, 19 July 2004 01:46
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i think my car had 750ish nm atw on the weekend dyno meet . Maybe a bit more than a 4a series motor . Plus adding the stress of harder suspension to the lower arm points with larger tyres etc doesn't help .
Whats a 1g gte got to do with a Nissan Engined AE86 ? conversion .
GO THE NISSAN ENGINED AE86'S , Finally another one .
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Mon, 19 July 2004 01:48
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just that im doubt it would kill the sub frame
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Think i still have some pics of the areas which the spot welding opened up ,seeing day light everywhere . Remember the ae86 subframe in only three sheets of pressed steel 1.5>2.0mm , constructed level on level design spot welded together with roughly 70-80mm spacing , the engine mounts are welded directly across the top of this to just two parts of this unit . The steering rack is only mounted to one section at the back , there are a few seam welds placed randomly about . But the area it mostly comes about is around the engine mounts . So this leads me to believe this is related to the torque forces on this area . Also perhaps the altered mount angle between toyota vs nissan engine mounts 45vs60' add to the toyota design not taking the forces . Might have been somewhat higher on my car , due to not using soft nissan engine mounts too { soarer21 } might be why people have the problem with the bonnet gap } .
Whats a 1g gte got to do with a Nissan Engined AE86 ? conversion
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Mon, 19 July 2004 03:20
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Sweet car go the nissan engine
4As are to damn expensive compared to a CA
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Mon, 19 July 2004 03:44
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i was just saying a 1g would probably make more torque than an sr20(guess)
and that people with 86's with 1g's(and turbo conversions) that ive seen have never said anything about that
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| Jag7799 wrote on Mon, 19 July 2004 11:44 |
i was just saying a 1g would probably make more torque than an sr20(guess)
and that people with 86's with 1g's(and turbo conversions) that ive seen have never said anything about that
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You'll probably find that the 1G would probably make less torque in the same way an RB20 makes less torque. Smoother though.
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Mon, 19 July 2004 05:04
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was an assumption
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| Jag7799 wrote on Mon, 19 July 2004 13:44 |
i was just saying a 1g would probably make more torque than an sr20(guess)
and that people with 86's with 1g's(and turbo conversions) that ive seen have never said anything about that
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I guess its all in what the car is used for to , Track , Dorifto , Drag , Mines had all this plus most of it 10.000ks before that happened where mostly track . As for never saying anything , maybe they haven't looked ? I always fully check all the sub-frames suspension etc after every event . Better to be safe than sorry  .
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Mon, 19 July 2004 07:27
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Was it about as hard as a 4agze install?
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Mon, 19 July 2004 07:47
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gze install is much easier than a ca18 install
dont need to custom as much stuff as simmo would have
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Re: My project - Completed and Revieled
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Mon, 19 July 2004 08:51
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think again garth....
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