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Perth
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October 2003
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Sydney
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!!
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Sun, 24 October 2004 23:54
 
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wtf?
thrust washers? 
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!!
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Mon, 25 October 2004 01:43
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holy crap
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Camden
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July 2002
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!!
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Mon, 25 October 2004 02:25
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Yeh looks like crankshaft thrust washers
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Location:
Adelaide
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September 2003
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!!
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Mon, 25 October 2004 02:50
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| GZE-STYLE wrote on Mon, 25 October 2004 12:25 |
Yeh looks like crankshaft thrust washers
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The important intonation was "they WERE thrust washers"
Definitely not good in the sump. They control end float of the crank. Suggest a warranty claim ASAP or a rebuild (new bearings on crank and rods) .
May even be able to do it from underneath ?
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NSW Australia
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August 2004
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!!
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Mon, 25 October 2004 03:16
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UGH!! THis is bad. The other posters who identified them as thrust washers/bearings are correct. If the car you have is an auto it may not be as bad as it could be because there wont be as much longditudinal pressure on the crank. However if it's a manual, when the clutch is engaged, it will be pushing a big end journal into the face of one of the main bearing webs and cap. I had a Twincam Escort with this problem. The crank milled into the main bearing and the web so badly that I had to get both the crank and the block metal sprayed and machined to correct it. If you have caught it early the damage may not be too great but it's REALLY serious. Good luck man.
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!!
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Mon, 25 October 2004 03:19
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did all the bits come out of the sump or are the top two for reference?
if they all came out, then the crank has been doing some serious walking, and after the mangled bits were spat out, the top ones just fell out...
i'm not familiar with the 1J crank, but on the K cranks, you can replace the thrust washers by removing a single bearing cap (the middle one iirc)
at the minimum you would want to inspect the bearings and any bits at front and back of crank that could have made contact with the extra end float....
scary!! definitely a good thing to find them before the nasty noises start 
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I supported Toymods
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I renounced punctuation
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May 2002
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!!
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Mon, 25 October 2004 03:24
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Remember all that trouble you had with your clutch being very difficult to disengage? The high end load you placed on the crank has caused these to wear prematurely, hence their sumply location.
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Location:
Perth
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October 2003
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Gold Coast
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May 2002
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!!
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Mon, 25 October 2004 05:43
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Can occur when bolting a manual gearbox up and the box input shaft hasn't aligned properly, dicky or incorrect spigot or input shaft is too long. You are effectively pushing the crank forward as you tighten the bellhousing bolts up.(a good one to watch when doing a 3SGE RWD conversion) Bummer.
You'll have to check all your bearings as I
I'd be suprised if most arn't tapering across the flats.
Best of luck tho...
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Location:
Perth
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October 2003
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!!
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Mon, 25 October 2004 07:56
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Yeah in my case the crank was being pushed foward cause the input shaft/clutch plate splines never engaged properly as the clutch plate was in the wrong way  Bellhousing bolts were done up and the rest is history, so is one of the thrust washers 
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I supported Toymods
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Australia
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November 2003
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!!
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Mon, 25 October 2004 08:11
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I still don't understand how ppl can put a clutch disc on backwards.
Every car I've worked on, when its backwards, the springs/centre hit the flywheel bolts, and the face doesnt even touch the flywheel.
So it would be almost impossible to put the pressure plate in.
/rant
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Location:
Perth
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October 2003
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!!
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Tue, 26 October 2004 00:01
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| CrUZsida wrote on Mon, 25 October 2004 16:11 |
I still don't understand how ppl can put a clutch disc on backwards.
Every car I've worked on, when its backwards, the springs/centre hit the flywheel bolts, and the face doesnt even touch the flywheel.
So it would be almost impossible to put the pressure plate in.
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Well it's obvious you havent worked on mine. My plate fits and does up either way. It was still a brain fart regardless, ive gotta fix it now no point ranting.
When i think about it ive been waterskiing for years and can't understand how you can chop the top off your finger with a ski rope  Shit happens!
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sunny coast, qld
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October 2002
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!!
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Tue, 26 October 2004 00:20
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so can this happen with an auto easily?
if it were tightened up but then taken off and redone before even being turned over, could there be any damage?
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I supported Toymods
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Australia
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November 2003
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!!
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Tue, 26 October 2004 00:28
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| Skip wrote on Tue, 26 October 2004 08:01 |
When i think about it ive been waterskiing for years and can't understand how you can chop the top off your finger with a ski rope Shit happens!
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Touche !! 
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Location:
Perth
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October 2003
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!!
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Tue, 26 October 2004 01:40
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| Chris Davey wrote on Tue, 26 October 2004 08:20 |
so can this happen with an auto easily?
if it were tightened up but then taken off and redone before even being turned over, could there be any damage?
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Be pretty hard to do with auto cause the torque converter only bolts up one way  therefore you wont have problem of the end of the input shaft pushing against the end of the clutch plate spline. Also i would say most of my damage was done when depressing the clutch, not the turnover of the engine.
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sunny coast, qld
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October 2002
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!!
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Tue, 26 October 2004 04:05
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phew. thanks for that.
I have never pulled a manual gearbox off, so I have basically no idea what you are talking about so I will just listen now
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Brisbane
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October 2002
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!!
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Tue, 26 October 2004 07:00
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i just read the post about the clutch issues
http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&t h=35253&rid=1399&S=663c1c020cb3dc9501eb406 6150ca30c&pl_view=&start=0#msg_325433
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Had it idling for about 2 minutes before it suddenly cut out
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there is a definate chance that u have fucked the bearings by running it with the clutch the wrong way round.
woulda heated the fuck out of them till they melted/snapped from the main bearing {assumming the main/thrust is a 1 peice}, or it would've stayed as 1 peice and fallen out at a later date,
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While undoing the bellhousing bolts the gearbox literally popped a good 5mm off the engine, instantly freeing up the crank.
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it would've slid the crank back that 2 or 3 mm whiuch would've freed it up, which would've let it flop around like a dick in a bucket.
probably fucked the main journals and probably the main tunnel, hopefully all the cost is a gasket set, big end and main bearings and the labour to do it, while its apart, just jam some forgies in there
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tallahassee FL usOFa
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May 2002
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!!
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Tue, 26 October 2004 13:34
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it'd be impossible to still have a good crankshaft with thrust washers/bearings in that condition. the other bearings are fine.
i'd look at the oil pump after all that stuff has gone through it.
it will have to be ground/machined or replaced. since they usually don't make oversizes that big, either weld the crank, shim the bearing, or you might be able to have the bearing/washer made thicker with some babbitt by someone that works on vintage/antique stuff.
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Location:
Perth
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October 2003
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!! Update - Bearing Cap Screwed
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Mon, 29 November 2004 12:57
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Finally got around to pulling my sump off after having the engine out of the car for 2 weeks
Bad news, the front end bearing cap has been chewed away on the face and also the block on the same face (where the front thrust washer rested against) if you understand what i mean. The crank is fine, obviously the cast cap and block metarial is alot weaker and failed saving the crank.
So at a minimum ill have to remove everything for machining i.e. crank, rods, manifolds etc. have the block and cap built up and machined. How much do you reckon it will cost? i can do the dismantling myself. May it would be cheaper to just get another engine? I have been quoted an engine for $1200 (has something wrong with one of the aircon mounting threads or something ) How much should you pay for a 1JZ block and head, or just a block if you can get your hands on one? Perhaps a 2JZ block
Throwing a few ideas around here guys, your advice is appreciated.
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I supported Toymods
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Australia
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November 2003
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!!
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Mon, 29 November 2004 14:12
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2JZ block, brand new, ring Toyota.
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Location:
Perth
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October 2003
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!! Update - Bearing Cap Screwed
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Mon, 29 November 2004 23:25
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CrUZsida: Is that Newtown Toyota, will they need a part number
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Location:
sunny coast, qld
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October 2002
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!! Update - Bearing Cap Screwed
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Mon, 29 November 2004 23:31
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i paid $650 for my 1jz with out turbos or inlet if that helps
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Perth
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October 2003
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!! Update - Bearing Cap Screwed
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Mon, 29 November 2004 23:38
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Yeah that helps, if I can get one for that sort of money i wont worry friggin around. Where did you get it?
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I supported Toymods
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Australia
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November 2003
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!! Update - Bearing Cap Screwed
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Tue, 30 November 2004 00:35
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| Skip wrote on Tue, 30 November 2004 07:25 |
CrUZsida: Is that Newtown Toyota, will they need a part number
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Dunno man, search the web, it will be out there.
Go for the extra 500cc, you won't regret it.
You've already got the computer, it will just need a slight tweak.
Just my 2c anyway.
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sunny coast, qld
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October 2002
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!! Update - Bearing Cap Screwed
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Tue, 30 November 2004 03:43
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| Skip wrote on Tue, 30 November 2004 10:38 |
Yeah that helps, if I can get one for that sort of money i wont worry friggin around. Where did you get it?
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just bought it second hand from a fella on here actually. BenTT is his name. I don't think he has anymore
going 2j is an option but for the price of another 1jz that you know will all fit in as it did before, I would still lean towards the 1j.
my 2c 
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Brisbane
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October 2002
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!! Update - Bearing Cap Screwed
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Tue, 30 November 2004 07:16
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i dunno how exxy to spray weld, but yes, dismantle yourself,
make sure u mark the bearing caps 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,
if u r gonna put in new pistons, then u dont need to mark the rods/pistons to the cylinder number,
if u have to remove the cams to remove head then make sure u mark the cam caps {unless they are marked I1/I2 ect from factory
if u have the tools then u can strip the head too, probably for ease i should mark the shim/buckets to their spot too, just wipe off the oil and mark
I1/I2-I12
E1/E2-E12
bag all the collets, dont bother marking the valves unless u dont wanna get them seated
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Location:
Brisbane
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October 2002
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Location:
Perth
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October 2003
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!! Update - Bearing Cap Screwed
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Tue, 30 November 2004 07:53
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Thanks for the help Mr DOHC.
Just a quicky, anyone shipped an engine from eastern states to Perth, what is a rough price?
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I supported Toymods
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Australia
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November 2003
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Re: Alarming contents found in my sump!! Update - Bearing Cap Screwed
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Tue, 30 November 2004 08:43
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Anywhere between $250 and $500
Ask Clint, he has contacts.
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Alarming contents found in my sump!! Update - Bearing Cap Screwed
