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Hi All,
Im considering taking up self defence/martial arts to keep in shape, as well as learn some new skills. What should I look for in a particular discipline??
For example, I know Judo is mostly throwing and submission techniques, but im looking for something more general i.e. using your entire body, hands & feet etc.
Ive been reading that a few people here have taken it up and are probably quite proficient in their discipline, so what would you recommend for a person of average/athletic build (about 5'11")but ordinary flexibility??
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Wed, 17 November 2004 07:17
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JKD is the best if you can find a club in your area.
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Wed, 17 November 2004 07:40
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If you want something street effective then find a Muay Thai, Kung Fu/Wing Chun or JKD class near you.
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Wed, 17 November 2004 07:42
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What about Muay Thai ? - Or (western) boxing.
I've trained at a muay thai gym for some time and found it to be quite good. Its very tough on the shins.
Good mix of mild grappling, striking etc. Gives ya a thorough workout. Its a good place to start if youre not familiar with the "intricate" footwork required to be an excellent boxer.
If you like fighting on the street / bashing people.. forget TKD, chinese kung fu and most western adaptations of a karate and boxing mix. Learn to kick Muay thai style .. learn their elbow / knee techniques. And mix it with a good dose of boxing and wrestling. Can fight at any range.
Muay thai is at a slower (footwork) pace compared to regular boxing, but if applied well - i dont think alot stands up to a good muay thai figher on the street. My 2 cents.
A testament of a good martial art is its general effectiveness on the street and in the ring.
Take it easy
James
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Wed, 17 November 2004 07:50
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My friend has a method he likes to call Lun Duk Heid.
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Wed, 17 November 2004 08:26
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thanks for the input guys...
i guess i would be considering either traditional boxing or Wing Chun. Not to keen on muay thai, although i can see its strengths for street fighting...
I definitely dont want something that is too showy...like spin kicks and shit, just something that will keep me fit, and let me hold my own should something happen
i guess my only real hurdle is finding a place i can get to during the week. Im still at work, and dont get out till about 8pm every night...
ill keep looking 
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Wed, 17 November 2004 09:55
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Depends on how quickly you want to learn.
And how much discipline and dedication you want to apply to learning it.
Tae Kwon Do and Karate are good for keeping fit. They're not fighting arts though.
Muay Thai and western boxing are pretty tough. But there's not much in the technique, just lots of bashing.
JKD and Wing Chun are a good medium ground. Effective fighting arts and not too hard to learn.
If you have 15 years to dedicate to learning. You can't beat a chinese martial art like Kung Fu or Tai Chi.
I've got 17 years of martial arts training in me and have learnt a large number of styles and have sparred against just about anything you can name.
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Wed, 17 November 2004 10:00
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The thing with JKD is that it combines/takes all the best "moves" from all of the arts. So it doesnt matter who you go up against, you will be able to handle all they can give.
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Wed, 17 November 2004 10:34
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JKD/Kung Fu are my recommendations.
Tae Kwon Do was great fun, but it is a Martial art in the true sense of the word - lots of focus on the forms, but as with everyhitng it depends a lot on the teacher.
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Wed, 17 November 2004 10:39
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I studied bazillian ju jitzu and a little bit of shoot when i was in western australia... the good thing about those 2 are no matter how big you are you still stand a really good chance... when i first started i was a bit worried because im about 5'3 and some of those dudes there were fucking huge! But smaller people just use agilty to couteract..... BJJ is heaps of fun.. id recommend that...
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Wed, 17 November 2004 10:42
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Anyone here ever taken any Krav Maga? I'm looking into after having done jiu-jitsu and boxing for a few years, more as a work related undertaking rather than a fitness "thing".
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Wed, 17 November 2004 11:02
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What about Capoeira??? Lots of fun..... And it'll keep you well-fit too.
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Wed, 17 November 2004 11:37
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It all depends what you want out of it. if you just want to keep fit and socialise, then the more "sport" versions of Karate and Tae Kwon Do would be better. It all looks impressive but they're all a bunch of pussies really. Also, cause there is no contact you get more (and cuter) chicks.
if you wanna be hard, then boxing, kick boxing Kyokushin karate, shit like that. Look at the tournments they enter. If they fight for "points" and non contact, then it's more of a good night out. if they fight full contact ( especially bare fist) and fight in tournments with a variety of styles then it'll be a more full-on martial art. You'll get real hard but it'll hurt lots 
the chinese styles are a lot more "artful" but generally aren't as aggressive as the full contact styles. Try to find a Kyokushin class. they are generally psycho's. probably one of the best if you wanna beat people up an shit..
Tim.
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Wed, 17 November 2004 11:52
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I dunno - one of the black belts in my ta kwon do class happily punched bags till her fists were bleeding all over the place.
she was like 5' nothing too
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Wed, 17 November 2004 22:50
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| RA28 wrote on Wed, 17 November 2004 22:37 |
the chinese styles are a lot more "artful" but generally aren't as aggressive as the full contact styles. Try to find a Kyokushin class. they are generally psycho's. probably one of the best if you wanna beat people up an shit..
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My experience has been that you get a lot of these psychos in the arts that are External. Hell, I used to be one of those.
It's only when they go up against someone who is strong in the Internal arts that they'll wake up and realise that there's a whole world to martial arts that they have never seen and can never match if they follow the External path.
To call the Chinese arts "soft" may be true, but one analogy I can put to you is that of water. It will absorb anything you throw at it and yet still has the force to knock you over.
Geez, I'm starting to sound like a Sifu... 
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Thu, 18 November 2004 00:48
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| draven wrote on Wed, 17 November 2004 18:34 |
Tae Kwon Do was great fun, but it is a Martial art in the true sense of the word - lots of focus on the forms, but as with everyhitng it depends a lot on the teacher.
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Very much so. One of my best mates is a Tae Kwon Do instructor, and he doesn't teach any of the crappy tournament for show stuff. He goes through it very much as a tool to protect yourself, and having witnessed it in action, even when he's half tanked is rather impressive.
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Thu, 18 November 2004 00:49
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mate check out fight right kickboxing club in blacktown,couldnt reccomend it more highly....dont worry bout tkd or karate,neither are effective in real life,running through drill,ok you put your hand here and then they do this all at slow mo doesnt teach you anything...and I was a black belt in tkd,best thing i ever did was convert to mau tai! also if you do decide to get in the ring for some fights mix it up a bit and do some boxing classes aswell...and no matter what always try to be as flexible as possible,while alot of people will argue there is no place for roundhouse head kicks,it certainly doesnt dissadvantage you to be able to do a jumping roundhouse kick on the chin of someone 6"7 when your only 5'8 urself..not that i could do any of the above now as i am a fat, smoking,2 pump rooting sloth...
good luck
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Thu, 18 November 2004 01:28
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| riceburna73 wrote on Thu, 18 November 2004 11:49 |
while alot of people will argue there is no place for roundhouse head kicks,it certainly doesnt dissadvantage you to be able to do a jumping roundhouse kick on the chin of someone 6"7 when your only 5'8 urself..
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There's no place for roundhouse head kicks. 
They're good to practice though as they allow you to develop better balance.
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Thu, 18 November 2004 02:15
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My 2c...
If you want a crazy martial art that delivers lots of power and looks real spec...go with Capioera.
If you want flowing function and hard hitting movements with limited use of your own energy - go wing chun or other 'kung fu'.
If you want EXTREME kung fu: Go WUSHU.
There's one wushu place in adelaide (I know not relevant) - that told me if I trained there - they only train people for olympics and that I had to spa with the master before admission to the classes.
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Thu, 18 November 2004 03:30
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| no_tofu_speed wrote on Thu, 18 November 2004 14:27 |
Do I talk too much? hehe
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Yeah, shut up before I do a hektik roundhouse shnap kick to your head moit....
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Thu, 18 November 2004 04:22
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Really if you want to be a proficient fighter as Bruce Lee ended up believing,you need to understand all styles and take from them what you can..they all have somthing to offer..but to be honest unless you study kung fu for atleast 2-5 years ur going to get ur ass whipped by even the most common pub brawler..especially the ones that want you to do all those ghey kartas n shit,,,i dont hold alot of respect for martial arts that say you can and cand do this,like winchung no kicking above the waist,its old fashioned and not effective...id rather know that if i have an opportunity to put a clean snap kick on someones chin i have the flexability and practiced power to do so...and if you think it dont stop cunts  as for the roundhouse thing yeh you might not wana throw it at the start of a combo but fuck its fun finnishing off some poor cunt with one when they are a bit groggy..plus that flexability gives you the option to turn backkicks into a head high arsenal..
all up if you want quick effective training to be able to defend yourself within a matter of months you cant go past kickboxing..dont mean to sound like a know it all fully sick hammer kick raining mofo, but i studied the shit for 8 years and grew up in the largest islander comunity outside of tonga,good luck stopping them cnts with kicks to the knees
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Thu, 18 November 2004 05:15
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I think it's getting personal in here...
Let's have a fight! 
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Thu, 18 November 2004 05:19
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| Nark wrote on Thu, 18 November 2004 16:15 |
I think it's getting personal in here...
Let's have a fight!
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Yeah, I'll kick all your asses......
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Thu, 18 November 2004 07:09
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I think there are some people trying to talk the talk but couldn't and wouldn't walk the walk!
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Thu, 18 November 2004 07:20
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| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 18 November 2004 18:09 |
I think there are some people trying to talk the talk but couldn't and wouldn't walk the walk!
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Who's that directed at?
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Thu, 18 November 2004 07:22
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| AE86slut wrote on Thu, 18 November 2004 17:20 |
| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 18 November 2004 18:09 |
I think there are some people trying to talk the talk but couldn't and wouldn't walk the walk!
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Who's that directed at?
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Do you feel that it could directed at you?
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Thu, 18 November 2004 07:27
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| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 18 November 2004 18:22 |
| AE86slut wrote on Thu, 18 November 2004 17:20 |
| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 18 November 2004 18:09 |
I think there are some people trying to talk the talk but couldn't and wouldn't walk the walk!
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Who's that directed at?
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Do you feel that it could directed at you?
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Not sure, that's why I'm asking....... I think it's a pretty bold statement in any case.
And as far as my comment above about kickin yo' ass...... Anybody who takes that seriously is a fool!
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Thu, 18 November 2004 07:37
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No it wasn't directed at you.
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Thu, 18 November 2004 07:44
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Anyways, anyone here been taught by the Sifu who goes by the name of Walt here in Sydney? He teaches Wing Chun in Merrylands from memory...... He's a pretty old guy, but damn hard. Just curious.
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Thu, 18 November 2004 08:41
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| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 18 November 2004 18:22 |
| AE86slut wrote on Thu, 18 November 2004 17:20 |
| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 18 November 2004 18:09 |
I think there are some people trying to talk the talk but couldn't and wouldn't walk the walk!
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Who's that directed at?
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Do you feel that it could directed at you?
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Well geeeeez it must be directed at me.
Hmmmmph, dont see where any of this has been personal.
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Thu, 18 November 2004 11:16
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not sure what was said but was probably directed at me after my passionate speil about kickboxing,as i said above never intended to sound fully sick but do strongly believe in real life scenario training..apart from that you just have to have a bit of heart..so who wants to meet me after school at the oval
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Thu, 18 November 2004 12:05
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no_tofu_speed, what's up with deleting all your posts?!
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Thu, 18 November 2004 12:30
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His strength is not yet strong enough as he is still but a young grasshopper...
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Thu, 18 November 2004 12:38
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lucky this is just a forum and not a pub, there'd be shit flying all over the place.
If all you're after is fitness and skillz silverghost, then try a chinese art. or maybe sport karate/tae kyon do (cause of the chicks). Unless you wanna be able to beat people up kickboxing (both western and thai), kyokushin and boxing will just equate to pain.
I can highly recommend kung-fu, the small amount I did I found it interesting, but a little boring at times, with their patterns and shit...
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Thu, 18 November 2004 12:55
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Oh, I thought my blabbermouthing was causin annoyance and tension, so rather than be disliked I thought to get rid of it all...
Someone said things were starting to get personal, or people couldnt walk the walk.
I am always gladyly open to new knowledge, but what I did say I believe was pure logic..... meh
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Thu, 18 November 2004 14:05
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I once lined up against someone who could remain "rooted" whist moving. - This impressed me alot. And knocked the crap out of me.
I totally agree. Hitting hard - externally - no matter how hard you try will amount to not alot against someone who knows how to hit soft. And if they can move at the same time - i'll take up matt_84's friends approach.
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[quote title=Nark wrote on Thu, 18 November 2004 06:50
Hell, I used to be one of those.
It's only when they go up against someone who is strong in the Internal arts that they'll wake up and realise that there's a whole world to martial arts that they have never seen and can never match if they follow the External path.
To call the Chinese arts "soft" may be true, but one analogy I can put to you is that of water. It will absorb anything you throw at it and yet still has the force to knock you over.
Geez, I'm starting to sound like a Sifu... [/quote]
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Thu, 18 November 2004 15:12
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| RA28 wrote on Wed, 17 November 2004 22:37 |
To call the Chinese arts "soft" may be true
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Alot of Chinese martial arts have a great emphasis on being soft. This has many benefits in that by learning things softly and slowly, you can truely understand the movements and applications of a form.
When learning fast, agressive martial arts it is very easy to overlook the essentials of a movement and which in both combat and even practice can cause a great deal of physical harm to yourself.
I began martial arts a few years ago with Tai Chi which has a good emphasis on breathing, posture and correct motion. Although tought very slowly, the martial art applications of the forms are very brutal and effective. This martial arts along with Chi Kung formed the basis of many current Chinese martial arts and are a both a good basis to develop skills and understanding for learning faster martial arts.
I have only recently begun learning some traditional Shaolin Kung-Fu sets and practicing them at a fast pace. Almost all Kung-fu applications require very minimal force and although performed at a very fast pace, the contact with an oppenent is not at all brute force, but can inflict very bad injuries and death to an opponent.
A similar 'soft' martial art is Japanese 'Aikido'. This has an excellent focus on staibilising and utilising your centre of gravity and unbalancing an opponent's motion.
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To the best of my understanding.. (i have not done aikido, hapkido etc) but aikido appears to be a dynamic exercise. Its not "soft" as in how you would use the word soft with reference to the chinese kung fu systems.
Running the risk of redicule - "soft" when used in the kung fu sense refers to the manipulation and focus of natural energy meridians. Its not a measure as to the kinetic delivery of a strike. - This is the stuff western science laughs at.
If you get hit by someone that knows how to hit "softly" - you'd be amazed as to what can be achieved with little or next to no muscle movement. Its not dynamic tensioning as some people would have it. There are alot of people who claim to be able to do this - but them doods are few and very far between.
Ask any practisioner of the soft arts - where they get the power from - and what they must do to cultivate it. You'd be surprised. Giggle (at them) at your peril.
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Thu, 18 November 2004 18:03
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Personally, i feel what matters more is the master/instructor runnning the class/school. I've learned TKD since i was 8 and benefited alot frm it over the yrs. When i came to melbourne, i couldnt find a suitable master here in that discipline. This is because most of them are teaching recreational(comercialised) TKD as opposed to self defence, discipline etc....
Ask around for ppl who are learning whatever martial arts and go with them based on what their instructor is like, not based on the kind of martial arts.
practices like TKD, karate, jiujitsu, kickboxing, kung fu and a few others have been pretty comercialised over the years to the extend where it varies dramatically in each school.
btw, check out this ancient, respectable, highly discipline form of martial art with a url such as this!!!
http://fightme.com.au/
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Thu, 18 November 2004 18:10
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Thu, 18 November 2004 11:48 |
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Tae Kwon Do was great fun, but it is a Martial art in the true sense of the word - lots of focus on the forms, but as with everyhitng it depends a lot on the teacher.
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Very much so. One of my best mates is a Tae Kwon Do instructor, and he doesn't teach any of the crappy tournament for show stuff. He goes through it very much as a tool to protect yourself, and having witnessed it in action, even when he's half tanked is rather impressive.
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dude ur mate frm perth? is his surname LOW??
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To the best of my understanding.. (i have not done aikido, hapkido etc) but aikido appears to be a dynamic exercise. Its not "soft" as in how you would use the word soft with reference to the chinese kung fu systems.
Running the risk of redicule - "soft" when used in the kung fu sense refers to the manipulation and focus of natural energy meridians. Its not a measure as to the kinetic delivery of a strike. - This is the stuff western science laughs at.
If you get hit by someone that knows how to hit "softly" - you'd be amazed as to what can be achieved with little or next to no muscle movement. Its not dynamic tensioning as some people would have it. There are alot of people who claim to be able to do this - but them doods are few and very far between.
Ask any practisioner of the soft arts - where they get the power from - and what they must do to cultivate it. You'd be surprised. Giggle (at them) at your peril.
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Aikido is an External art. I don't think the Japs have any Internal forms. Some talk about it but get it all wrong.
First time I asked my Si Hieng to hit me with an internal strike, I was tingling for two hours. And sore as a mofo for two days. I'd done a LOT of martial arts at that point (probably 7-8 years) and I'd never been hit like that before, it was incredible.
If you practice the External arts, you'll build an effective resistance to External strikes, but that means absoluetly nothing against an Internal strike, actually it's a disadvantage.
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If you ask me the whole martial art for self defence is BS its asking for trouble if you want to be safe on the street carry pepper spray or something, no matter how much martial arts you do its all in controlled environments do this then this then this. It don't work that way ppl do different stuff, i did 3 weeks of ju jitsu told the sensa get stuffed and walked out.
I'll stick to my head butt to the bridge of the nose, removal of piercings and kick to the knee for 'native people' if they don't work i'm always wearing steels caps (mostly coz i'm always working) and i've always got a lighter, the thing is i think martial arts gives you too bigger head makes you cocky and makes you think you are unbeatable, who cares if you get the shit kicked outa you as long as you can open your eyes breath and walk the next day a beating will always make you stronger so take a couple of learn.
as for getting fit, run laps around the block before work.
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| Goose wrote on Fri, 19 November 2004 11:02 |
If you ask me the whole martial art for self defence is BS its asking for trouble if you want to be safe on the street carry pepper spray or something, no matter how much martial arts you do its all in controlled environments do this then this then this. It don't work that way ppl do different stuff, i did 3 weeks of ju jitsu told the sensa get stuffed and walked out.
I'll stick to my head butt to the bridge of the nose, removal of piercings and kick to the knee for 'native people' if they don't work i'm always wearing steels caps (mostly coz i'm always working) and i've always got a lighter, the thing is i think martial arts gives you too bigger head makes you cocky and makes you think you are unbeatable, who cares if you get the shit kicked outa you as long as you can open your eyes breath and walk the next day a beating will always make you stronger so take a couple of learn.
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I dissagree. I have been doing martial arts for close to 3 years now, and I dont feel at all that I have a cocky head, or am some sort of fighter, infact I feel quite the opposite. Martial Arts has trained me to be more healthy and aware of my body's movements and has taught me more self control.
I am only beginning to learn the Martial Art aspects of my style, however I have no intention to ever to need to use it. What I have learnt thus far is simply in a worse case senario I could protect myself from an attacker. However at all costs I will try to avoid such a situation.
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Fri, 19 November 2004 01:49
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The cockiness factor depends on the school. Some just have a culture of that sort of stuff.
It's also more prevalent in the External arts like Tae Kwon Do, Karate, even Wing Chun and JKD.
Martial arts is an extremely healthy thing to do (bar any injuries you may get... ), especially the traditional Chinese ones.
"Martial Arts" basically means exercise for the masses, and that's what it was presented as for hundreds of years in China (people were forbidden to learn how to fight), so even if its base is from the fighting arts of the Shao Lin temple, there are many benefits to health when you do it.
BTW, carrying pepper spray is the same thing as learning martial arts. It gives you false confidence in situations where you should be running. No one can take your martial arts off you and use it against you, but they can with your pepper spray...
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Fri, 19 November 2004 03:17
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You ever been hit with stuff ? you won't go taking it off someone, its horrible sh|t
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Sat, 20 November 2004 07:55
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| Goose wrote on Fri, 19 November 2004 11:32 |
no matter how much martial arts you do its all in controlled environments do this then this then this. It don't work that way ppl do different stuff, i did 3 weeks of ju jitsu told the sensa get stuffed and walked out.
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I don't think 3 weeks is wuite long enough to get the hang of it.
The idea with martial arts is to train often enough so that it becomes second nature. Of course you cannot train for every specific event that may arise in the street or whatever, but as you get better, you can improvise and adapt. It's mostly to do with reflexes, speed and technique. The more you train, the faster and stronger you become, the more effective your attacks become (due to correct technique) and the easier it is to see attacks comming and find weaknesses in your opponent.
After all that, no matter how good you are, if you ever get into trouble, just run like buggery. No-telling how psycho the other person is...
Tim.
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Sat, 20 November 2004 08:10
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Gulp ...
Doing my first Muay Thai class on Tuesday night.
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Mon, 22 November 2004 03:46
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as someone said here, i think a lot of people here are indeed trying to talk a talk and cant walk the walk. kyokushin is a form of karate, and utilizes much of the same arsenal as a thai boxer. training is bareknuckle, and arduous, i am quite confident in proclaiming it is effective for street use and mental conditioning.
i did kickboxing when i was in year 12 and wanted to be a tough mo fo. once again, uses similar techniques to kyokushin, but there is less focus on 'spirit' and 'technique.' now, everyone who hasnt practised this will roll their eyes and think that these factors are bullshit and ineffective. but good technique is the deciding factor in gaining power, and spirit is needed for mental discipline and mental strength.
im taking up boxing to learn effective head defence and attack and have done a little bit of brazilian jj for my grappling.
my experience with kung fu? well, as you can confer from my post i am hesitant to be ignorant of the benefits of any style...different forms of kung fu certainly have there strengths and by all means look great when done properly by their exponents, however, in terms of street fighting, MOST leave a lot to be desired. not all i guess. kung fu styles usually place a lot of emphasis on drills that rely on the 'ideal' but a street fight will never be ideal and things will not always be on your terms.
in a nutshell, if you want a style for streetfighting application, you will need to simulate a street situation: biggest factor there, dealing with stress and responding to it. flexbility isnt a huge factor, most damage will be done with low kicks, jabs and reverse punches. go in a style that offers full contact tournaments as this is as close to the real thing as you can get. for striking arts, where 'character' building isnt an issue to you, id recommend kickboxing, boxing or thai boxing, where it is important, go kyokushin. if you want to be well rounded, you will need to do some grappling as well. cept there is usually his mates around to stomp on your head (or stab you )
all you have to do is go to a few dojos/gyms and watch a few varied classes. take your time and get it right and you will want to train hard. make sure they offer uninhibited sparring.
sorry for the size of this post, just pisses me off when toymodders dismiss styles and from the information they put forward, seems like theyve never done or seen a class.
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Mon, 22 November 2004 04:41
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| The Untouchable wrote on Mon, 22 November 2004 13:46 |
as someone said here, i think a lot of people here are indeed trying to talk a talk and cant walk the walk. kyokushin is a form of karate, and utilizes much of the same arsenal as a thai boxer. training is bareknuckle, and arduous, i am quite confident in proclaiming it is effective for street use and mental conditioning.
i did kickboxing when i was in year 12 and wanted to be a tough mo fo. once again, uses similar techniques to kyokushin, but there is less focus on 'spirit' and 'technique.' now, everyone who hasnt practised this will roll their eyes and think that these factors are bullshit and ineffective. but good technique is the deciding factor in gaining power, and spirit is needed for mental discipline and mental strength.
im taking up boxing to learn effective head defence and attack and have done a little bit of brazilian jj for my grappling.
my experience with kung fu? well, as you can confer from my post i am hesitant to be ignorant of the benefits of any style...different forms of kung fu certainly have there strengths and by all means look great when done properly by their exponents, however, in terms of street fighting, MOST leave a lot to be desired. not all i guess. kung fu styles usually place a lot of emphasis on drills that rely on the 'ideal' but a street fight will never be ideal and things will not always be on your terms.
in a nutshell, if you want a style for streetfighting application, you will need to simulate a street situation: biggest factor there, dealing with stress and responding to it. flexbility isnt a huge factor, most damage will be done with low kicks, jabs and reverse punches. go in a style that offers full contact tournaments as this is as close to the real thing as you can get. for striking arts, where 'character' building isnt an issue to you, id recommend kickboxing, boxing or thai boxing, where it is important, go kyokushin. if you want to be well rounded, you will need to do some grappling as well. cept there is usually his mates around to stomp on your head (or stab you )
all you have to do is go to a few dojos/gyms and watch a few varied classes. take your time and get it right and you will want to train hard. make sure they offer uninhibited sparring.
sorry for the size of this post, just pisses me off when toymodders dismiss styles and from the information they put forward, seems like theyve never done or seen a class.
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Agreed.
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Mon, 22 November 2004 05:04
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Also agree with the above. I took up boxing and jiu jitsu as a a kind of rounded mix. Maybe more kicking would be useful, but I found it didn't really suit me, and I don't like the idea of ever having a foot off the ground.
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Mon, 22 November 2004 05:09
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| matt_84 wrote on Mon, 22 November 2004 15:04 |
Also agree with the above. I took up boxing and jiu jitsu as a a kind of rounded mix. Maybe more kicking would be useful, but I found it didn't really suit me, and I don't like the idea of ever having a foot off the ground.
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A high level black belt in a martial art that relies heavily on kicking could probably hit you with 5 kicks before you even thought about landing 1 punch.
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Mon, 22 November 2004 05:13
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Give him a pat on the back from me then.
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Mon, 22 November 2004 05:14
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ok
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Mon, 22 November 2004 05:23
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I've seen it many times before.
A good fighter of a slow/strong style, such as traditional kung fu, meets a good Tae Kwon Do fighter. The kung fu guy will get whipped the first time they meet because he's never experienced Tae Kwon Do's sheer speed before.
Of course, the second time they meet, the Tae Kwon Do guy will get hammered.
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