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Location: South Australia
Registered: August 2003
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RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Mon, 14 March 2005 12:11
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Hi all
I'm trying to do the Corona strut, peugot disc, hilux caliper brake upgrade on my RA28 but have encountered a problem.
I went to u-pull-it sunday and grabbed some xt130 struts as instructed in the article from this site. They look very similar to the ones on my celica. I ripped off the unwanted caliper and disc and just took the strut/spring/shocker home on each strut.
I tried putting the new peugot discs on to realise that they are completely different to the corona disc and have absolutely no hope in hell of fitting :S
The corona disc had the bolts for the wheel all together as one item but the peugot disc is just a disc with a slight rise in the centre (not as much as the corona disc) and four holes.
Does anyone have any pics of either the strut or the peugot disc or know which is the wrong part?
I can supply photos.
Cheers
Benen
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Registered: November 2002
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Location: Adelaide
Registered: September 2003
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Mon, 14 March 2005 13:13
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having not done this upgrade so i really have no place to talk but assuming what is required, i believe you probably need the hub that you left at u pull it. i just pulled apart an ms65 and i think i know what you are saying but the disc is connected to the hub at the back by 4 bolts, you undo this and take the hub with you but leave the disc and caliper there.
does that sound right?
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Registered: November 2002
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Mon, 14 March 2005 13:43
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I think you have hit it on the head.
I assumed benen kept the Corona hat.
There is no way the Celica equivalent will ever fit.
Back to the wreckers for you boyo !!!!
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Location: South Australia
Registered: August 2003
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Mon, 14 March 2005 19:35
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i feel like such a dick lol. When i was there the disc and hub appeared to be one piece. So i need to go back and get the corona hub off of the disc? lol.
I dont see how this has cost people around the 1000 mark like everyone says :S
I paid $70 for each strut, 60 for the bendix pads and $66ea. for 2 new discs. Just gotta get my hands on the calipers now.
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Registered: November 2002
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Tue, 15 March 2005 01:39
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It can very easily cost $1000 if you rebuild the struts with Koni adjustable shocks, fit Lovells heavy duty lowered springs, buy new Pug rotors (I could only get mine for $95 each), Hilux 4 pot calipers ($100-$200 the pair), a new set of brake pads, getting the calipers professionally rebuilt (with a warranty),
get the rotors re-drilled and the diameter machined down to clear the inside of the calipers, new wheel bearings, and new brake hoses.
You have spent $332 already, and have yet to get the calipers.
Add the Koni's and the Lovells and all the above and stay under $1000 and you get my vote as next Toymods president and mechanical god mate !
Cheers,
Mitch.
PS: Don't forget the shims/washers to space out the caliper to sit over the centre of the rotor, and if you keep the dust covers behind the rotors, the humps pressed into them need to be flattened out to clear the rotor and you need to cut a larger hole for the bigger caliper to fit.
And there must be a reason why: "this has cost people around the 1000 mark like *everyone* says"
[Updated on: Tue, 15 March 2005 01:40]
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Location: Rocky Mountains, Canada
Registered: May 2002
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Registered: March 2003
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Tue, 15 March 2005 05:32
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can this upgarde be used for a ke30 as well?
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Registered: November 2003
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Tue, 15 March 2005 06:34
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Don't forget the 1inch bore master cylinder aswell. If you are going to go through the hassle of the conversion it is worth doing the MC as well. Otherwise you have to push the pedal to the floor for your brakes to work. I ended up using the MA61 MC as it is a direct bolt up to the booster, but the brake lines have to be bent to fit, but that is easy.
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Location: Melb
Registered: June 2004
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Wed, 16 March 2005 00:21
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Hi guys, have been thinking of doing this conversion myself but have not really had much time to look into it. I have after market springs in the front of my ra28, they are a stiffer pedders unit. do i need to change the whole strut leg with spring as well or will the corona strut take the celica spring? does anyone have photos of the parts needed to be taken from the corona? any help would be greatly appreciated. I know that there is a lot of old threads on this conversion, but some photos would be a real help.
Ta.
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Registered: November 2002
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Location: Perth,western australia
Registered: December 2003
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Wed, 16 March 2005 01:43
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then throw away your pedders springs and go and get some lovells or kings.
pedders are evil
Dom
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Location: Melb
Registered: June 2004
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Thu, 17 March 2005 00:06
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Yeah, have heard some dodgy reviews on pedders gear. Will most definately get something better before too long. At this point in time, cash flow is the limiting factor so wanted to get some brakes in without hurting the bank account too much. I have a king springs catalogue which has the same listings for their springs for both models. Assume pedders will be the same too. Thanks mate.
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Location: Carlingford, Sydney
Registered: May 2002
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Thu, 17 March 2005 01:45
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sprinterboy4agze wrote on Tue, 15 March 2005 16:32 | can this upgarde be used for a ke30 as well?
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for sure
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Location: Ballarat
Registered: January 2005
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Sun, 27 March 2005 23:50
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Can some give me the details of the URL for this upgrade? I'm about to fit a series 1, commodore V6 to an RA28, and i'm pretty sure that a brake upgrade will be warranted.
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Location: Ballarat
Registered: January 2005
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Mon, 28 March 2005 00:30
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It's cool. I Found It!!!
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Location: adelaide
Registered: May 2002
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Mon, 28 March 2005 02:17
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k@z3 wrote on Mon, 28 March 2005 09:20 | I'm about to fit a series 1, commodore V6 to an RA28
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why such a pOO engine choice for the ra28? yes it will need some bigger brakes and stiffer suspension up front, among other things.. but have u considered all other EFI engines out there?
not a fan of the commi v6 in celica. hehe sorry no offence meant, i just wouldnt justify dropping on of those motors in there. i think id rather tow it around on a trailer behind a commi
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Location: Ballarat
Registered: January 2005
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Mon, 28 March 2005 02:47
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Each to thier own my friend, each to their own.
You know you should not rubbish someone else's ideas on this forum, it realy is against decorum. All i was after was some info on a brake upgrade, not sarcasm. But hey, if it works for you, stick with it i say!
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Location: South Australia
Registered: August 2003
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Mon, 28 March 2005 10:01
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cheers for ur help everyone, sorry i upset u ra23celica lol.
Can you still get koni adjustables for ra28's? i heard they discontinued them? if this is true i can only get them for my front susp.
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Registered: March 2003
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Mon, 28 March 2005 10:49
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sorry i couldnt find the link can someone post up the link
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Location: Rocky Mountains, Canada
Registered: May 2002
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Location: South Australia
Registered: August 2003
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Tue, 29 March 2005 09:48
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awesome, cheers
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Registered: November 2002
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Tue, 29 March 2005 14:28
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M.W.P. has it right, the part numbers are 86 1991 Sport and 80 2233 SP1, front and rear, for an RA23/28.
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Location: adelaide
Registered: May 2002
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Wed, 30 March 2005 00:53
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[email | k@z3[/email] wrote on Mon, 28 March 2005 12:17]Each to thier own my friend, each to their own.
You know you should not rubbish someone else's ideas on this forum, it realy is against decorum. All i was after was some info on a brake upgrade, not sarcasm. But hey, if it works for you, stick with it i say!
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i meant no offence dude, dont take it personally or anything!!
youve gotta expect to get some feedback on a toyta-based website.. esp if ur putting a GM motor in a real classic toyota body. and plus i advised youll need some bigger brakes+calipers, stiffer springs, experiment with swaybars, definately..
i wasnt really being sarcastic.. i just not a fan of the dunnidore motors in classic celicas. Ive got nothing against u or your ideas, thanks,
my 2c
p.s. ul probably nee a bit of camber up front too or else the thing may handle quite poorly, think of the weight balance.
[Updated on: Wed, 30 March 2005 00:55]
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Location: Perth,western australia
Registered: December 2003
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Wed, 30 March 2005 02:02
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how many horses do you think this set up will be able to stop?
i.e 200hp -fine
300hp- only just
350hp - no way
400hp- nice knowin ya can i have whats left of you car after you fail to stop??
oh yeah this is in an RA28
cheers
Dom
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Location: Rocky Mountains, Canada
Registered: May 2002
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Registered: November 2002
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Location: South Australia
Registered: August 2003
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Location: South Australia
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Wed, 30 March 2005 12:35
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oh, also. I read that the corona disc has a diameter of 266mm and the pug one is 273mm. Have any of you guys machined the excess 7mm off of the pug one? is this necessary? worth it?
Cheers again
Benen
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Registered: November 2002
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Wed, 30 March 2005 13:02
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That's the part number direct off the box of the rear shocks I fitted to my RA23. I had no idea they also suit Commodore or Lexcen....
And, yes you need to shave a few mm (I did 5, not 7) so that the Pug rotor does not bind up against the inside of the Hilux caliper.
Some say you can just slot the caliper but I think that is dodgy engineering.....
Don't forget that you remove the required "Min Thickness" statement from the rotor when you turn down its diameter, so that should be re-engraved (by hand is OK) back on to the rotors.
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Location: South Australia
Registered: August 2003
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Wed, 30 March 2005 13:31
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hope uve got the right part number lol. Well if u say thats what it is then ill trust ya. Cheers.
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Location: Rocky Mountains, Canada
Registered: May 2002
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Wed, 30 March 2005 15:08
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ra23celica wrote on Wed, 30 March 2005 22:32 |
And, yes you need to shave a few mm (I did 5, not 7) so that the Pug rotor does not bind up against the inside of the Hilux caliper.
Some say you can just slot the caliper but I think that is dodgy engineering.....
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I took 6mm off my rotors.
I dont know how it could be done by removing metal from the inside of the caliper... you would end up hitting the caliper bolt holes.
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Registered: November 2002
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Thu, 31 March 2005 00:49
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benen wrote on Wed, 30 March 2005 23:31 | hope uve got the right part number lol. Well if u say thats what it is then ill trust ya. Cheers.
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You are completely free to ignore anything I say. And better yet, don't trust a word I type. I know what's been fitted to my car and that is all I have spoken about here. If you know more or better, don't bother to ask the question and follow the resulting advice. Satisfy yourself that you are getting what you want. I did this work without consulting this forum and I'm speaking from the little experience I have. Is it just too hard for you to say thanks without smart-arse comments tied up in there as well ?
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Registered: November 2002
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Thu, 31 March 2005 00:56
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M.W.P. wrote on Thu, 31 March 2005 01:08 |
I took 6mm off my rotors.
I dont know how it could be done by removing metal from the inside of the caliper... you would end up hitting the caliper bolt holes.
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Looks like we agree pretty closely here. I read about putting slots in the calipers to allow the 273mm Pug rotor to fit, in a tech article somewhere, along with the slotting of the existing holes in the Pug rotor to align with the Corona hats. I did not like either of those approaches so I did it differently.
Some one on this forum has reported a failure after doing this upgrade I believe, don't know whether it was the rotor letting go or a wheel bearing failed....might be worth a search for someone in the future....
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Location: South Australia
Registered: August 2003
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Thu, 31 March 2005 12:43
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sorry ra28celica. didnt mean to offend you. That wasn't a smart arse comment at all. I was just surprised that they are teh same shocker out of a lexcen and said that if thats what u have in ur car then ill get them. sorry again.
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Location: Rocky Mountains, Canada
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Registered: November 2002
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Fri, 01 April 2005 01:18
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benen wrote on Thu, 31 March 2005 22:43 | sorry ra28celica. didnt mean to offend you. That wasn't a smart arse comment at all. I was just surprised that they are teh same shocker out of a lexcen and said that if thats what u have in ur car then ill get them. sorry again.
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Understood, and my apologies for my language and comments. I have found a few people on this forum, typically those who have not done engineering type mods to their cars, just seem to be experts and ready to cast doubt on all others, and that irks me as I know what I have done and had done to my machine, and most importantly, what works on the street.
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Fri, 01 April 2005 01:23
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M.W.P. wrote on Fri, 01 April 2005 02:38 |
Differently?
How so?
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I made that comment not knowing how you had done your conversion and as it turns out now.....
M.W.P. wrote on Fri, 01 April 2005 02:38 |
To get the 604 rotors on the Crown hubs, i had 4 new holes drilled on the rotors...
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I did exactly the same thing. I did find that I had to space out the calipers using 1mm thick washers, to get them to sit centrally over the rotors. I used RT132 struts.
Quote: | Some one on this forum has reported a failure after doing this upgrade I believe, don't know whether it was the rotor letting go or a wheel bearing failed....might be worth a search for someone in the future....
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Hmmmmmm.
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I have not done a search to see if I can find this post...
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Location: South Australia
Registered: August 2003
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Fri, 01 April 2005 18:37
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i obviously came across not how i meant to lol. I do really appreciate ur help. Will be more careful about what i post next time. Cheers again Almost all ready to upgrade. Got Calipers today. Just need to get the shockers now.
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Location: melbourne.victoria.austra...
Registered: June 2002
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Fri, 01 April 2005 21:18
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damn doesn't this bring back memories.........
http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&t h=26807&rid=664&S=8ddcc8341c7af35ae26a6d6a dd8ade22&pl_view=&start=0#msg_231301
i found my rotors sat spot on in the right place on the rt132 struts no issues there. no spacing washers required.
with the pug rotors i had mine turned down to 266mm - as i agree you DO NOT grind out the inside of the caliper - this would compromise the integrity of the caliper and weaken it.
i filed the holes in my pug rotors until they fit the ta22 hub - OR you can simply re-drill the holes to 13mm and you'll be fine.
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Location: South Australia
Registered: August 2003
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Sun, 03 April 2005 08:22
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MWP, when you painted your calipers. What preperation did u do first? I can see in the pics that u plugged up the brake line hole. Did you do anything with the bleed valve? Also what did you do on the other side regarding the pistons and seals?
With re-drilling the discs. Can i just use my drill press to drill the holes out to 13mm? Will they line up perfectly over the hub exactly where they are?
Cheers
Benen
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Location: melbourne.victoria.austra...
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Sun, 03 April 2005 10:02
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when i painted mine i cleaned them with brake cleaner. don't breathe the shit it will kill you.
my bleeders i taped up with tape then sprayed.
a bench drill would be fine to take them out to 13mm.
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Location: South Australia
Registered: August 2003
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Location: Rocky Mountains, Canada
Registered: May 2002
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Location: South Australia
Registered: July 2002
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Mon, 04 April 2005 13:04
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Hey - did you have to get a whole caliper rebuild kit after all? Probably good idea regardless...
Just a hint when cleaning the calipers, they can end up rusting underneath the paint (depending on paint used I s'pose) unless you are very careful with water - I always wear gloves when handling any bare metal, but only cause I'm ridiculously cautious.
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Location: South Australia
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Sun, 24 April 2005 15:48
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yeah i got complete rebuild kits for both calipers. All the rubbers looked pretty good but i replaced them anyway. Painted them today.
One more question for yas. Has anyone drilled out the studs for the peugot disc themselves? They holes almost exactly line up with those on the hub. I read that they need to be drilled to 13mm to fit but from looking, the holes on the hub are 12mm, just have a slightly larger diameter to the pcd.
Do i just drill them all right down the centre with a 13mm bit or what? I asked the brake place, they said the the discs are made with a soft steel so are easy to drill myself as the drill wont jam.
Cheers again
Benen
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Location: Rocky Mountains, Canada
Registered: May 2002
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Sun, 24 April 2005 15:59
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I got mine redrilled for 5 stud, so i cant really help you with that question.
For what i have read of other poeples conversions though, they do just drill the holes out slightly larger.
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Registered: November 2002
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Mon, 25 April 2005 01:51
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I found that the PCD of the hat did not match the PCD of the Pug rotor holes and that you would have to centralise the centre hole on a 'jig' and then drill out all four holes to match. So, I just drilled 4 new holes on the correct size and PCD 45 degrees around (exactly in-between) the existing holes.
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Location: South Australia
Registered: August 2003
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Mon, 25 April 2005 02:52
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is that easy to do? how do i go about doing it?
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Mon, 25 April 2005 14:40
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This is where I bailed out and had an engineering shop do the work for a six pack of pre-mixed bundy and coke....(seriously).
The guy there found some old tube of the right diameter and centralised the Corona hat on the Pug rotor. Then he scribed the arc (the PCD in reality) all around the rotor and then drilled four new holes 45 degrees past each existing hole.
You can try it at home but I was loathe to eff-up a $95 Pug rotor, so I got it done properly....
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Location: South Australia
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Tue, 26 April 2005 10:48
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will do
cheers
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Location: adelaide
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Thu, 21 July 2005 05:16
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Just a quick Q, im about to purchase LN106 calipers for my xt130/pug/hilux conversion into a ta23..
I got asked if i want calipers from a front LIVE AXLE or SOLID AXLE Hilux LN106...
At this point i went duh, not sure, whats the difference?
-he replied"well ones off a live axle and the others off a solid axle.."
i said "the one with 90mm bolt spacing and to take a 20mm vented disc.." and he again asked which of the two i wanted..
Can anyone confirm which type of LN106 caliper i need for the standard documented brake upgrade?
is there a visible difference in the solid-axle and live-axle versions?
just incase i need to identify them...
Thanks
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Location: Rocky Mountains, Canada
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Location: adelaide
Registered: November 2004
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Sat, 30 July 2005 04:48
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do the landcruisers have the same calipers? i saw some at upull it that look the same?
i think it was an HJ75
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: May 2002
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Sat, 30 July 2005 17:48
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Ring toyota and see if they have the same part number for each caliper, though they might look similar the mounting points on the caliper might be different, this is something that you might want to check if you go to the wreckers with a ruler
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Location: adelaide
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Sun, 31 July 2005 08:05
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M.W.P. wrote on Thu, 21 July 2005 16:40 | Erm.
They should be the same.
The same calipers also came out on a few other models of Hilux.
Just make sure you can return them if they are not the right ones.
BTW, out of intrest where are you getting them from and for how much?
I got mine from "Oriental 4WD & Commercials" at lonsdale for $150.
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Hmm, cool okay cheers, that was only what one wrecker said to me. Others have qouted me from $75 each i think at 2 places up to $140 EACH! at a few places for the same model caliper!
I think it was either paradise toyota or toyoland wreckers that were around $75 each.. or maybe one of the 4x4 specialists..
Im yet to purchase them, but prob will do soon.
Also on a side note, as far as new wheel bearings and ball joints...
do you use new xt130 wheel bearings or pugueot 604 wheel bearings? or ta23 celica bearings?
id guess just new xt130 lower ball joints or are t/ra23 items the same also?
cheers..
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Location: adelaide
Registered: May 2002
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Re: RA28 Corona/Peugot/Hilux brake upgrade
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Wed, 03 August 2005 02:48
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"Also on a side note, as far as new wheel bearings and ball joints...
do you use new xt130 wheel bearings or pugueot 604 wheel bearings? or ta23 celica bearings?
id guess just new xt130 lower ball joints or are t/ra23 items the same also?
cheers.."
anyone?
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