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Re: Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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jap sepc type R's have 162kw but yeah very expensive.
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Adelaide
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Tue, 19 April 2005 03:57
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any vtec engine really.
16b
18b
or 2L integra engine.
Yes they have expensive engines, but you would own!
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Tue, 19 April 2005 04:04
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the beams 3sg 
i have heard 240Hp easy with different exhuast and induction....
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Tue, 19 April 2005 04:06
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Actually it's fairly common 2Litre sport/Sedan (2L-SS) practice to find a 4-valve head (increasingly rare) for the 2-litre Escort motor, spend $$$ making it rev, and crank out 240hp 
So I'd be keeping up with 200->220hp, not owning.
$9,000 is a MIGHTY big pill to swallow, powering a car I'd use 6 or 7 times a year. I was thinking around half that number.
All suggestions welcome of course
oh - I need EVERYTHING in a halfcut that isn't seats, dash or panels. Fuel tank + pump would be ace too.
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Tue, 19 April 2005 04:10
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| F|sh wrote on Tue, 19 April 2005 14:04 |
the beams 3sg
i have heard 240Hp easy with different exhuast and induction....
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Can it be had FWD ?
The East-West Mid/rear install isn't quite as good for weight distribution as the traditional North-south Mid-mount, but there's less power loss with no pinion/crownwheel in the diff. I think I can get crazy with the aero-flow this way too . . . 
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Re: Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Tue, 19 April 2005 04:13
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well im slotting a st204/5 head on a 3sfe block......
im sure something can be done
i spend $5000 on my lil 3J car about to spend $8000.....
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I supported Toymods
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Australia
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November 2003
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Re: Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Tue, 19 April 2005 04:18
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You can buy BEAMS 3SGE FWD halfcuts.
Adelaide Jap has one at the moment, $3800.
I'd also be looking into 2ZZ-GE.
100hp/L out of the factory on that one.
Toyota's best IIRC?
VVTL-i.
Imagine that with a smallish amount of dollars (pair of cams, extractors, ecu)
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Adelaide
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Tue, 19 April 2005 04:18
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Yeah, the Beams 3SG came in very late model MR2s. So thats a transaxle (albeit RWD).
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Toymods Vice President
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Tue, 19 April 2005 04:19
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The Beams 3S with single vvti was actually available in the SW20 so it is definately suitable for mid mounting. It was also available in the Celica which would work as well once you move the shifter.
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c'town, NSW
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Re: Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Tue, 19 April 2005 04:27
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| st184 sillycar wrote on Tue, 19 April 2005 14:06 |
$9,000 is a MIGHTY big pill to swallow, powering a car I'd use 6 or 7 times a year. I was thinking around half that number.
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logic error.
so its not finacially viable to spend too much money on the engine yet you feel that u can just slap the engine into the back of a little roll caged car?
considered how much that alone will cost?
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Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Melbourne
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Re: Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Tue, 19 April 2005 04:35
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| rob_RA40 wrote on Tue, 19 April 2005 14:27 |
| st184 sillycar wrote on Tue, 19 April 2005 14:06 |
$9,000 is a MIGHTY big pill to swallow, powering a car I'd use 6 or 7 times a year. I was thinking around half that number.
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logic error.
so its not finacially viable to spend too much money on the engine yet you feel that u can just slap the engine into the back of a little roll caged car?
considered how much that alone will cost?
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I'm still amused by the avatar Rob - is Lil' Britain coming back?
I have a double Garage, an angle grinder, a MIG welder and a tape-measure. Also got an auto-elec buddy.  The aim of getting a halfcut is to get the subframe and suspension, all the mounts etc.. so that the engine & suspension can all be slotted in as one unit, minimising the fabrication needed.
And yes, I realise that I'm talking "minimising" in relative terms here ! !
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Tue, 19 April 2005 05:18
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just go buy a clubman,
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Tue, 19 April 2005 09:49
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F20C
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Tue, 19 April 2005 10:00
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| takai wrote on Tue, 19 April 2005 14:18 |
Yeah, the Beams 3SG came in very late model MR2s. So thats a transaxle (albeit RWD).
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They came out in the 94-97 SS-3 celica's too. rated at 197 horsies
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Tue, 19 April 2005 17:20
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20b peripheral port
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Re: Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Wed, 20 April 2005 07:55
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Did a bit of looking around for tech regs, found this in a bulletin:
"Note 1: Mid-engined cars will only be eligible where the COMPLETE engine is positioned forward of the midpoint of the wheelbase."
Unless things have changed since then, no slotting-in FWD engine, Gearbox, subframe & suspension for me.  
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Bunbury, W.A.
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January 2005
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Wed, 20 April 2005 11:40
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Maybe an SR20 VVTI from an S14....
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Re: RWD Suggestions plz: - Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Thu, 21 April 2005 12:12
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as far as 2.0 4cyls go you cant get any better than hondas f20c, 250hp out of the box
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Re: RWD Suggestions plz: - Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Thu, 21 April 2005 23:24
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the RB20 NA doesnt have quite as much power as the above but has oooodles of torque
might be worth considering, seem to go for pretty cheap, my uncle was considering using one for a dirt track racer
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Re: RWD Suggestions plz: - Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Fri, 22 April 2005 02:12
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Thanks guys - I've been looking around teh net more - the RB20 doesn't have any more torque (on paper) than the SR20, and being a 6cyl, would be heavier. The SR20VE or SR20DE VVT could be the go - 190hp and 175hp respectively I think.
Haha - thanks intensevil, If you wanna kick in $10k towards the S2000 engine and gearbox, I'll order them right now!!! They're hard to get afaik, coz all the randy rich buggers building clubmans snap them up - as one would ! ! 
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Perth
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April 2003
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Re: Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Wed, 27 April 2005 08:51
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| st184 sillycar wrote on Tue, 19 April 2005 14:06 |
Fuel tank + pump would be ace too.
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Just make one from alloy and foam fill it.Then you can mount it anywhere and not have the surge problems.
| st184 sillycar wrote on Tue, 19 April 2005 14:06 |
unless you know how to mount an FTO engine to a north/south gearbox
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Maybe the V6 Pajero or triton box is the same pattern.
Would be worth a look.
Good luck with it all.
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Wed, 27 April 2005 08:56
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i can tell you a cheap way put a rotor in it its only 1.3 ltrs but then racing rules make it a 2.6ltr six so that rules that out. How about the new celica motor the 2zzju or whatever it is the 1.8ltr ive allways had a hankering to put one of those in an old aw11 i reckon itd scream round a track.
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Re: RWD Suggestions plz: - Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Wed, 27 April 2005 09:22
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the 2ZZGE is a VVTL-i 100hp/L motor.
You are better off with the Beams 3SGE.
Its got more power, less technology, so its got more potential.
There isn't much you'll be able to do with a 2ZZGE.
(yes that contradicts my previous statement the other week)
The Beams 3SGE comes in RWD format already too.
Its by far the best Toyota motor, but Honda is by far the best 4cyl choice.
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Re: RWD Suggestions plz: - Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Wed, 27 April 2005 13:08
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Ive seen photos and a bit of info on a Beams 2ZZ-GE.
All all 2ZZ-GE Beams or is there a special Beams version (like the 3S has)?
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I supported Toymods
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Re: RWD Suggestions plz: - Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Wed, 27 April 2005 14:06
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Must be a special version.
Coz the 2ZZ-GE is whats in all current model MR2's, so they wouldn't all be BEAMS.
Its still not RWD though.
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Re: RWD Suggestions plz: - Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Wed, 27 April 2005 17:18
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| CrUZsida wrote on Wed, 27 April 2005 23:36 |
Must be a special version.
Coz the 2ZZ-GE is whats in all current model MR2's, so they wouldn't all be BEAMS.
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Hmmmm...
Have a look at this:
http://forum.u-car.com.tw/forum-detail.asp?fid=162 48
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Re: RWD Suggestions plz: - Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Wed, 27 April 2005 23:42
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Go the "Beams 3S-GE DUAL VVT-i" out if the altezza! 210hp thats almost the same as my 3S-GTE but N/A thats impressive.
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Re: RWD Suggestions plz: - Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Thu, 28 April 2005 00:27
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| st184 sillycar wrote on Fri, 22 April 2005 12:12 |
Thanks guys - I've been looking around teh net more - the RB20 doesn't have any more torque (on paper) than the SR20,
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no shit  ... a 2L production motor makes around 200Nm max.. some make a little more, but not much. it's the torque spread and rpm that will be the difference.
mm i wish i had a sports sedan money pit it's not cheap racing, even midfield.
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Re: RWD Suggestions plz: - Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Thu, 28 April 2005 00:43
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| M.W.P. wrote on Thu, 28 April 2005 01:18 |
| CrUZsida wrote on Wed, 27 April 2005 23:36 |
Must be a special version.
Coz the 2ZZ-GE is whats in all current model MR2's, so they wouldn't all be BEAMS.
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Hmmmm...
Have a look at this:
http://forum.u-car.com.tw/forum-detail.asp?fid=162 48
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According to that site almost anything with vvti-i has Beams.
I'm not sure how true that is.
I thought Beams was something more advanced than 'plain' vvt-i
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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Re: RWD Suggestions plz: - Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Thu, 28 April 2005 00:47
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why not start with a larger motor and destroke it for higher rpm and then turbo it oh right.. it's on a budget  doh!
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Re: RWD Suggestions plz: - Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Thu, 28 April 2005 01:24
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wouldnt the beams 3sge motor be uber pricey?
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I supported Toymods
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Re: RWD Suggestions plz: - Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Thu, 28 April 2005 01:55
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I think $4500 for a rwd half cut is about the going price.
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Re: RWD Suggestions plz: - Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Thu, 28 April 2005 02:11
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fair enuf not bad
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Re: RWD Suggestions plz: - Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Thu, 28 April 2005 02:12
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i'd say F20C honda S2000 motor is the best out there...
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Re: RWD Suggestions plz: - Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Thu, 28 April 2005 03:08
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agreed having the priverledge (spelling?) of driving alot of big power 4pot engines i would have to say the f20c is a seroiusly/ludicrously powerfull engine especially considering its only 2lts i would give it my vote as the ultimate 4pot n/a motor.
Just my 2 cents
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Re: RWD Suggestions plz: - Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Thu, 28 April 2005 06:10
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All u gotta do it aim at someone with a s2000 and ram them!! ride there car off let your insurance pay for damage and claim the engine just make sure u dont hit the front at all hehe
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Re: RWD Suggestions plz: - Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Fri, 29 April 2005 00:18
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| oldcorollas wrote on Thu, 28 April 2005 10:27 |
| st184 sillycar wrote on Fri, 22 April 2005 12:12 |
Thanks guys - I've been looking around teh net more - the RB20 doesn't have any more torque (on paper) than the SR20,
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no shit ... a 2L production motor makes around 200Nm max.. some make a little more, but not much. it's the torque spread and rpm that will be the difference.
mm i wish i had a sports sedan money pit it's not cheap racing, even midfield.
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My thoughts exactly - that's why I want an engine that's powerful off the shelf, so that I don't have to rebuild it all the time, like traditional race-engines. If I get something that's 190-200hp stock, it should punchout a reliable 220+hp with extractors and no catalytic converter. That just leaves tyres, entry fees, transport, accomodation and damage-repair . . . . . .
Oh crap  Racing proper cars (not my karts) is EXPENSIVE
oh well
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Re: RWD Suggestions plz: - Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Fri, 29 April 2005 02:08
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in the classic cars magazine i bought at the airport they had a genuine 2001 3.5ltr arrows formula 1 car with 600hp. Yours at only $375000 U.S. Problem solved 
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Re: RWD Suggestions plz: - Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Fri, 29 April 2005 02:10
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meh you do one lap and it'd blow anyway, who'd wnat a cosworth POS.
just buy a three year old ferrari F1 car and be done with it, be the envy of all the porsche owners at the next motorkana. Yours for only 2.5 million dollars.
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Re: RWD Suggestions plz: - Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Fri, 29 April 2005 02:22
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since when has cosworth been a pos
Cosworth have been racing pioneers for years.
May i point you to the sierra cosworths, cosworth rs200, the sole CART engine supplier where the engines make in excess of 700hp reliably not to mention many years in formular 1 with much success in conjunction with the Lotus F1 Team.
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Fri, 29 April 2005 02:29
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yeah but in terms of formula one engine they are ghey, they powered the Jaguar/ ford team minardi etc and pretty much once a race one engine would blow, they could rev as well as the others, webber had to constantly short shift his minardi to stop the engine from blowing.
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Fri, 29 April 2005 02:34
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Fri, 29 April 2005 12:29 |
yeah but in terms of formula one engine they are ghey, they powered the Jaguar/ ford team minardi etc and pretty much once a race one engine would blow, they could rev as well as the others, webber had to constantly short shift his minardi to stop the engine from blowing.
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eeerrrm when you consider they had a quater of the budget that ferrari has there is no comparison.
There is nothing wrong with the cosworth motors in the jaguar it was usually gearboxes and diffs that webber blew
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Fri, 29 April 2005 02:41
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ahh but the fords before that use to blow the motors before they got off the grid, puff white smoke yay, what a waste of 500K, and the arrows were the same, i remember damon hill leading a race in the ford and 5 laps from the end his engine blew
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Re: RWD Suggestions plz: - Can you suggest a better 2-Litre N/A engine ?
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Fri, 29 April 2005 03:05
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Fri, 29 April 2005 12:41 |
ahh but the fords before that use to blow the motors before they got off the grid, puff white smoke yay, what a waste of 500K, and the arrows were the same, i remember damon hill leading a race in the ford and 5 laps from the end his engine blew
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just because an engine blows dosent mean its allways the fault of the engine. Downshifting too fast in those cars can also cause engine failure not to mention a gazillion other things.
And damon hill was a looser with his drive and collect attitude towards the end of his career
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Fri, 29 April 2005 04:52
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meh the fords would blow on the start line before they even started revving them .I remember watching them in there first race in melbourne. Rubens Barrichello's return to Formula One and the thing just puffs its way out of the race.
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Fri, 29 April 2005 07:06
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like i said there is abut a million and one ways to blow an engine i think u will find that cosworth would supply the engines to arrows not to mention other teams like ford etc the other teams didnt have trouble with the engines unlike arrows who were bankrupt.
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