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2jzge into Zed
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Tue, 19 July 2005 08:58
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Its getting there,
Thought id share some pics of my conversion with you guys,
Im in the process of putting a 2jzge/5spd into a 260z,
The gearbox crossmember has not been fun to make, still havent got any pics of it yet, been a real pain in the a#s!!!
http://album.hybridz.org/showgallery.php?cat=500&a mp;ppuser=12400
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Tue, 19 July 2005 11:38
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You know I like this.... 
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Tue, 19 July 2005 12:09
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And me too ...
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Melbourne, Australia
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Tue, 19 July 2005 18:02
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OK, me three, not that I'm anyone.
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Darwin
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Tue, 19 July 2005 22:56
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Looka at all that room in front of the engine! 
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Wed, 20 July 2005 03:56
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Yeah, i could have moved it alot further foward, would have made it possible to run aircon and make it so i dont have to slightly modify the shifter hole in the Zed(shifter comes out to far back)
BUT..........with the intake crossing over the block as the 2jzge does, the height of the engine becomes a major concern as you move it further foward, the bonnet just clears anything as it is now, but if it was further forward i would probably have to end up having a massive bonnet scoop,
If you have the 2jzgte or the 1jzgte this aint going to be an issue as the intake does not cross over the block like the 2jzge's does,
Also, ill post some pics of my gearbox crossmember and tailshaft, and pics of the trans tunnel, i dont know exactly, but im assuming that the Getrag is alot wider than the JZA80 W58 5-Speed box, i just have clearance in the trans tunnel from the original Zed Transmission mounting ears, if you used the Getrag, assuming it is infact wider (which im sure it is) you would have to remove these ears,
But this is what folks have to do when they run the 5-Speed that comes behind the RB25DET (its a fat sucka to),
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Brisbane
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Wed, 20 July 2005 10:38
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The Getrag is both wide and tall. And long. It's just plain BIG! If the W58 only just fits, a Getrag will probably require a new tunnel. This is the dilemma I'm facing at the moment. 
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Wed, 20 July 2005 13:54
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Getrag should be a dickload thinner than the R154, more like a W58 in width.
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Montrose, VIC
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Wed, 20 July 2005 14:05
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Move it forward a touch, so that you end up being forced to run throttles. What a bugger 
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Thu, 21 July 2005 00:40
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Like moi...
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Thu, 21 July 2005 00:53
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Showoff. 
So where's your 6-speed? Eh? Eh??
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Thu, 21 July 2005 01:42
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Can I say "nice box" without getting a sexual harassment suit?
It's the question I get all the time...
"So when are you going to turbo it?"
As always Norbie, I'm thinking lots of things....upskirt pigtail porn, 12 cylinders, big shiraz, 6 speeds....
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Thu, 21 July 2005 02:14
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| gianttomato wrote on Thu, 21 July 2005 11:42 |
As always Norbie, I'm thinking lots of things....upskirt pigtail porn, 12 cylinders, big shiraz, 6 speeds....
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These are disturbingly similar to my thoughts. I'd better start wearing my aluminium foil hat again.
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Thu, 21 July 2005 02:20
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Just spent a none to fun week building that gearbox crossmember, ill never get that week back..............the engine/box stay where they are 
But in the future if i wanna run aircon i might go the tripple throttle body route (that looks cool) and remake the engine mounts and gearbox crossmember, engine mounts will be easy, and the gearbox crossmember might be easier because i should be able to come close to using the stock Zed transmission mounting ears, but ive just got the tailshaft made and i think for handling & weight distribution the engine is about in the best position
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Thu, 21 July 2005 04:40
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Leave the engine and box where they are - low and back....looks fine. I can't honestly see why you'd need to move the engine if you decided to go ITBs later anyway.
As for AC, well I'd mount it where the PS pump used to be but further out - you'll obviously need a bloody long serpentine belt and custom mounts.
You're really going to love this conversion. Well driven, this will be a fast package thru the twisties.
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Thu, 21 July 2005 21:51
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"Leave the engine and box where they are - low and back"
It aint going anywhere, not after building that gearbox crossmember, that really sucked
Low and Back, thats why its where it is, had a bit to do with clearance, but for handling ive been told, get all the weight of the front wheels and put the sucka as far back in the bay as possible, i can live without aircon
However............ive noticed something,
The Zed has the 2jzge/5-speed and Tailshaft all in place now, and the front end of the car is sitting pretty high, id say about 1-1.5" higher than it should be,
I have 2 zeds, conversion Zed and daily driver zed which has stock suspension,
I measured the conversion zed and the distance from the top of the tyre to the bottom of the guard at 4.5", on my other zed, this distance was 3" approx,
Then i checked the angles of the lower control arms, the LCA of the conversion zed is much more than the angle of the other zed i have, the other zed has almost vertical LCA, conversion zed has about a 30deg angle going down,
Could this be because i sat the engine really far back in the engine bay and took alot of weight off the engine crossmember and removed the engine weight of the front wheels? thus making the car sit higher at the front???
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Adelaide
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 01:52
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mmmmmmm...........this is a bit of a bugger then, i guess the only way to really fix this issue would be going to an adjustable spring perch and winding the bugger up and down untill i get the ride height exactly where i want it,
Yeah, it love to a put a 3" exhaust the whole way through, that would sound insane , costly and probably unessesary, but it would sound cool
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 02:17
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Save your money on the 3" exhaust. Get a decent set of extractors and run a 2.5" exhaust.
I think we need to start a Toymods wine club.
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 02:41
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| gianttomato wrote on Fri, 22 July 2005 11:47 |
I think we need to start a Toymods wine club.
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Cheers !!!!
I'll be in that, I have a few oldies in the cellar that need some drinking. Anyone care to help......
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 02:43
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I'd be in for that, i love wine
Love getting stuck into Dad's clean skins
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Brisbane
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 02:44
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I hereby volunteer my services. I'll drive down as soon as the 6-speed conversion is completed. I'm leaving my foil hat on though - it's prudent given the proximity to Dave.
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 03:12
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Struth, now that is a collection!
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 03:16
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| gianttomato wrote on Fri, 22 July 2005 12:42 |
Struth, now that is a collection!
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Used to be 30 odd dozen before...
Now back to the topic.
How is the car going .....
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 03:29
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I only have 20 dozen at the moment, but working on building it up.
Bullers Caliope 91/96/98
Penfolds Bin 389 96/98
Penfolds St Henri's 98
I have an RTW but buggered if I can remember what year.
Mt Langi Ghiran 98
Zema Estate Cluny 97/98
Stacks more but absolutely not one white to speak of.
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Canberra
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 03:42
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I like your style. I was chasing a 240Z for the TT 1UZ project but couldn't find a car where price and condition met a happy medium. Any reason why you didn't go turbo...price i'm guessing?
I'm in Canberra also so i reckon we get the other wino's to head here to the obviously more central locality
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 04:04
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Are you sure you want a giant ToyMods piss-up at your place Justen?
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 04:08
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Tri-level house..... i guess i can sacrifice the lower level, it'll be the easiest to hose out
I doubt i'll get the missus on board though so best start working on Plan B...Little Johnnies house, he's never there anyway and it is a cultural wine tasting night 
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 04:25
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| JustenGT4 wrote on Fri, 22 July 2005 13:38 |
Tri-level house..... i guess i can sacrifice the lower level, it'll be the easiest to hose out
I doubt i'll get the missus on board though so best start working on Plan B...Little Johnnies house, he's never there anyway and it is a cultural wine tasting night
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Sounds like a plan.
I wonder how many frequent flier points I have ....
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 04:40
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You're thinking about flying to a ToyMods event?? Stuff and nonsense. It is a pre-requisite you show up in a Toyota with a long and expensive list of modifications.
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 04:50
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| Norbie wrote on Fri, 22 July 2005 14:10 |
You're thinking about flying to a ToyMods event?? Stuff and nonsense. It is a pre-requisite you show up in a Toyota with a long and expensive list of modifications.
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Apologies for this really getting off track, but yes.
I want to get there in my car, but the timeframe to drive there and back and having to be sober  for the return drive means that it would be a 1 week excusion. The Chief of Staff won't allow that much indulgence until the paving is done. 
I am however aiming to drive up for the next Dubbo/All Toyota day at Easter.
Not enough to fly yet, but I'll work on it .....
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 05:07
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Will a zed with a toyota heart be ok
Well, ive got alot of cases of clean skins, went wondering around the Barrossa valley with my Dad and hassled the wine making folk, ask them for the stuff they trade amongst themselves, stuff that isnt for sale so they dont badge it, get it really cheap and its damm fine wine ,
argghhh being a cheap b#stard
I agree though, Canberra is the ticket, much more central location, especially for me,
JustenGT4 - the 1jzgte and the 2jzge werent all that different in price, though the 2jz was cheaper,
The 2jzgte was way out of my UNI student, youth allowance, part-time job price range ,
But the 2jzge i figure would also be alot cheaper to get running as i wouldnt have to deal with intercooler and piping, plus probably a tad bit easier to engineer,
It took me ages to figure out which engine to get,
I looked at 1jz, 2jz, 1uz, Old school 350chevy, 305Holden, 289 & 302 Ford, Hemi6, Lt1 350 Chevy, Ls1 350 Chevy, RB20, 25, 30 & Hybridz Rb25/30, 7mgte,
But bang for buck i just couldnt go past the 2jzge, it was also the easiest to fit, by a long way really,
The closest was the RB engines, but you have to buy a $500 rear sump and NA RB's dont have that much power, and if you go turbo the RB25DET 5-Speed if freakin huge, thus you need to cut up the Zed trans tunnell,
I wanted to do a conversion, that
1 - Wouldnt f#ck the zed, like cutting it to bits, &
2 - Could easily be adapted to my Red Daily Driving Zed and also replicated if other folks wanted to go down a Hybrid Zed-1jz/2jz turbo or non-turbo route,
Also the 2jz was cheaper than all of the above (maybe except a NA RB30 - but bugger that) and it has 170kw approx standard, and the only cars ive ever had that just ran and ran and ran were a TA22 Celica and a V6 1988 Toyota Camry (some weird jap import version with a 2.5litre engine),
Surprisingly the most expensive engines on my list were the LS1 & the LT1 350 chevies, like $5000-$7000AUD for 40k old motors from the states, i could get a rebuild Rb25/30 with accessaries for $3500AUD...........mmmmmmmmmm
But yeah, i went with the 2jzge because it was cheap, but also because it has lots of power and out of all the engines i looked at was the best fit for the zed,
well......
a 2jzgte would have been easier because the intake dosent wrap over the block, but i reckon you would have to mod the trans tunnell to fit the Getrag, the 1jzgte would have been the best fit for sure, not as tall as the 2jz and doesnt have the wrap over intake, and you would use the W58 behind it so no trans tunnel mods,
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 05:37
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All fair enough and good to see the think before you act approach.
Nothing stopping you turboing the 2J down the track anyways and i'm sure you would easily see 400hp at the flywheel with a simple bolt on setup that would spool up nicely and have torque to burn. At a mild 10-12psi reliability wouldn't be an issue either.
If you aren't chasing stratospheric hp levels i think turboing the n/a 2J is a pretty practical way to go.
I'm a little surprised the 1U didn't come out as the cheapest option and i would love to se one in a 240/260Z one day.
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 05:50
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There not that bad the 1uz as far as price goes, but this is what i learnt from my reserch,
Front Clip ill cost you about $2500AUD approx,
They all came out with Auto's so if you wanted to run a manual trans you would have to get a Dellows or CRS kit, which cost about the $2500 without a gearbox (this kit can be made to suit either the R154 ot W50 series boxes),
So lets say you use an W58, good box sets you back $500 approx,
So for 1uz, 5-speed and gearbox bellhousing, clutch, flywheel etc.....your up for about $5500approx, i'm sure if you hunted around long enough you could get it done cheaper, maybe..........
A mob down in Melbourne said they use the factory ECU when switching to manuals behind the 1uz, but they did not elaborate on how they did this, said they modded the ECU..........
Then you gotta fit the bugger, its a 70cm cube, which is fine width wise in the zed (it has more room width wise than a Valiant Charger but the engine mounts cast into the 1uz block are about dead centre of the block,
Which means unless you want the engine to sit really really far forward you would have to go an alternative route to the engine crossmember/engine mounts,
One alternative is something like this,
http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/attachment.php? attachmentid=8451
build an extra crossmember,
Or weld up mounting brackets to the chassis rails and connect up the 1uz engine mounts with the new welded brackets on the chassis rails,
On the 2jz though,
If i was going to turbo it, i would probably just go out and get the 2jzgte, i reckon you could pick up one of those sucka's for about the $4500 mark (just an engine package)i'd be surprised it this wouldnt be a cheaper option than turbo-ing a 2jzge, ive seen turbo packages for the 2jzge for like $6000, and as its the same engine externally as the 2jzge i could just drop it straight in and continue using the w58 untill it explodes and then id be forced to get the Getrag
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 06:08
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Thought you might have twigged to my sig by now...i have a twin turbo 1UZ...nicely stuffed into a Celica. The manual UZ combo can definitely can be done for a lot cheaper than $5500...more like $3000 for a basic W58 n/a setup using as many stock bits as possible (exhaust etc).
My setup started out this route but ended up more of a rolls royce approach, necessitated by the turbos
I'm not having a dig, you have a great looking setup and the numbers worked for you. Just a passing comment.
What's an estimated date for completion?
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 06:16
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Good now we have talked cars....
when is this interstate pissup?
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 06:18
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Nah, not at all champ, just why i didnt go down the 1uz path, i really wanted to, i wanted to put one in my Charger aswell , the 1uz or the VH45DE were my first choices, but for both engines the deciding factor was mounting the things, just would have been a real pain in the a#s to get the bugger from the dummy car into the red zed, not as straightforward as the mounts ive come up with for the 2jzge,
Id love to see your car mate, a 1uz twin turbo in a celica must f#cking fly
uuuuummmmmmmmmmmm..........i dont know, ive got the hard stuff outta the way, just gotta figure out alot of misc type stuff, major things to do now are the Wiring Harness and the fuel system,
Then all the other bits and pieces, like exhaust, speedo cable, accel cable, clutch linkages, Radiator and thermos.....etc,
But touch wood i should have it done in a couple of months, id get it done sooner i reckon, but ive just exhausted my funds, i need more money!!!
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 06:22
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hehehehe.........we gotta decide on a venue first
My votes for Canberra
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 06:48
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Can I vote Brisbane? My new house has polished hardwood floors, easy to mop up any unfortunate incidents. Plus we can all ogle my shiny new Getrag.
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 07:18
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Don't put a 3" exhaust on an N/A 2J, I've got a 2.5" exhaust and it's loud enough as it is. Good power gains can be had from extractors and the exhausst. Unfortunately I snapped up the extractors mentioned in one of your previous posts, but if you can find a cheap set then do it!
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 12:18
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there was a silver 260Z with 1UZ+manual at a recent TTC Qld motorkhana at Gympie.
Had massive traction issues, not just on the wet cement.
However, it sounded very horN.
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Fri, 22 July 2005 13:13
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| bbaacchhyy wrote on Fri, 22 July 2005 14:50 |
| Norbie wrote on Fri, 22 July 2005 14:10 |
You're thinking about flying to a ToyMods event?? Stuff and nonsense. It is a pre-requisite you show up in a Toyota with a long and expensive list of modifications.
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Bbaachhyy.. when you do fly up to sydney, please stop in at Oreillys in the Clare and grab a few cases for me... dry land shiraz and dry land shardy should do the trick....
of course if you want to fly over here and deliver them in person.. be my guest
oh.. and nice conversion too (actually it looks bloody fantastic!!! noice job!)
Cya, Stewart
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Sat, 23 July 2005 02:40
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| oldcorollas wrote on Fri, 22 July 2005 22:43 |
| bbaacchhyy wrote on Fri, 22 July 2005 14:50 |
| Norbie wrote on Fri, 22 July 2005 14:10 |
You're thinking about flying to a ToyMods event?? Stuff and nonsense. It is a pre-requisite you show up in a Toyota with a long and expensive list of modifications.
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Bbaachhyy.. when you do fly up to sydney, please stop in at Oreillys in the Clare and grab a few cases for me... dry land shiraz and dry land shardy should do the trick....
of course if you want to fly over here and deliver them in person.. be my guest
oh.. and nice conversion too (actually it looks bloody fantastic!!! noice job!)
Cya, Stewart
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You provide the funds, no worries.
For the First Toymods pissup : If I'm gonna fly, anywhere is pretty well the same. Just need a pickup from the airport !!!
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Re: 2jzge into Zed
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Sat, 23 July 2005 02:48
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Likewise, I would fly. Just need a destination.
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