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800hp 2JZ-GTE
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Wed, 27 July 2005 12:13
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This is something a little different.
I'm building a 2JZ-GTE for something that as far as we know has never had this type of engine used for before. Sorry, can't say at this stage what it is!
Anyway, this engine will be built to produce between 600 to 800hp depending on the situation at the time. I can get this power figure, I'm not worried about that. What I don't know is how reliable it will be in a situation where it would be under full load, full throttle at around 150kph for 20kms at a time during competition for up to and over one hour.
Does any one have any accurate(not just opinions) info or know a source of info on these engines about specifics on building them strong. Any info on getting power out of them is welcome also.
A few things on this though. Very little on this engine is remaining stock, inside and out. I'm after specific info on any known weaknesses etc, not fundamental things like building it with forged pistons. There are no restrictions on this engine for hardware, software or fuel other than it must remain around 3000cc to be eligable for the class it is being used in.
Any help greatly appreciated.
Geoff
Note: Don't ask what the engine is for cause I won't tell. At least not yet. Feel free to have a guess though!!!
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Wed, 27 July 2005 12:48
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oh wow, you're so special 
if nothing is staying standard, why the quesion?
if byuilding this type of motor, you should know that rpm is inversely proportional to component life, but you will already have chosen rods and corectly sized rod bolts to suit.
your only concern is in block and head strength, and in the durability of the crank. as you know for the crank, this will be determined by the alignment in the block (ie magnitude of rotational fatigue loading) and balance. possibly head bolt stretch at the power you are talking about may be a concern.
basically, all you really need to worry about (since you are getting better hardware) is cooling.. as long as you choose the right bits of metal to stay together, and it is tuned corectly, and your rpm is sufficiently low to delay the onset of faitgue failure to after the end of each race  , then the only operational issue is reducing the heat in the block and head, and keeping the oil functional.... dry sump may be a good idea just from an oil cooling point of view
i am assuming that yu will have a steady supply of cold water for cooling and will also have space for a significant oil tank in the ski boat/offshore boat? should be easy.
Cya, Stewart
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Re: 800hp 2JZ-GTE
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Wed, 27 July 2005 12:56
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| GefGef wrote on Wed, 27 July 2005 22:13 |
full throttle at around 150kph for 20kms at a time during competition for up to and over one hour.
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| GefGef wrote on Wed, 27 July 2005 22:13 |
Note: Don't ask what the engine is for cause I won't tell.
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Yeah, real hard to guess that one.
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Re: 800hp 2JZ-GTE
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Wed, 27 July 2005 13:13
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Pfft, boat. He might be building a generator to, uhmmm, assist him in his horticultural activities for all you know. He might even be a she. You just never know
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Wed, 27 July 2005 13:18
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| oldcorollas wrote on Wed, 27 July 2005 22:48 |
oh wow, you're so special
if nothing is staying standard, why the quesion?
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No I'm not special and that really isn't necessary is it?!
Serious question. Does anyone know specifically any known weaknesses of these engines? I'm not talking general fundamental things like pistons, rods etc...
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Wed, 27 July 2005 13:19
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Generator at 150km/h? Hmmm...
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Re: 800hp 2JZ-GTE
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Wed, 27 July 2005 13:22
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supraforums.com is the place to go for serious 2JZ tech discussion. Plenty of people there have pushed the engine to (and beyond) its limits. You'll find most people around here don't have that sort of budget (although I wish I did).
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Re: 800hp 2JZ-GTE
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Wed, 27 July 2005 13:22
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That's quite a good idea, a generator at 150km/h.
What weaknesses are you LOOKING for?
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Wed, 27 July 2005 13:33
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| HyDrA wrote on Wed, 27 July 2005 23:22 |
What weaknesses are you LOOKING for?
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Hopefully none. I don't know. That's why I'm asking questions.
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Re: 800hp 2JZ-GTE
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Wed, 27 July 2005 14:30
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| GefGef wrote on Wed, 27 July 2005 23:18 |
| oldcorollas wrote on Wed, 27 July 2005 22:48 |
oh wow, you're so special
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No I'm not special and that really isn't necessary is it?!
Serious question. Does anyone know specifically any known weaknesses of these engines? I'm not talking general fundamental things like pistons, rods etc...
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sorry, was just taking the piss (lightheartedly) regarding your last comments no offence intended
stoopid smilies 
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Re: 800hp 2JZ-GTE
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Wed, 27 July 2005 14:33
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| GefGef wrote on Wed, 27 July 2005 23:33 |
| HyDrA wrote on Wed, 27 July 2005 23:22 |
What weaknesses are you LOOKING for?
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Hopefully none. I don't know. That's why I'm asking questions.
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well.. what stock parts are left? block, head..... anything else? thoe two items sem ot be well proven in service, as long as you keep temps under control, and you should easily do that with the amount of cooling water available, and speeds...
also since you are running flat chat most of the time, you can probably get away with a bigger turbo, and kep it more in efficiency region, producing less heat as well...
are you using water to air IC? how much water can you pick up without afecting the ... hydrodynamics?
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Wed, 27 July 2005 22:30
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chat to Dave Warby (loosecannon) on here, hes got a 2JZ powered hydro.
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Re: 800hp 2JZ-GTE
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Wed, 27 July 2005 22:49
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its 1jz isnt it?
go all out and do what ken warbys got
that thingas is so mad in the water
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Re: 800hp 2JZ-GTE
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Wed, 27 July 2005 23:02
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like any race engine for a boat it will need dry sumping,forgies,h-beams etc. there are no problems with them. for a boat i would go 7-1 comp ratio and 35 psi boost or so and get the cams to work at 5000 rpm. will last alot longer. use the torque and dont rev it to high,as its under constant load. use a 70 weight oil and a pre heater on the dry sump tank.change oil every race, and make sure you setup a very good cooling system. the 1j has been used in boats a few times. still going to be a job and a half keeping up with the front running sb2.2 chev's.
id be looking at putting oil sqirters on the valve springs as they are going to get hot, depending on the seat pressure.
mick
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Wed, 27 July 2005 23:03
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last time i visited he had a 2JZ-GE in his hydo, was a little while ago now tho.
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Wed, 27 July 2005 23:06
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is dave warby he in tamworth?lol ive just moved so tamworth a bit new!one of the race guys told me the warby's are from here?
mick
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Thu, 28 July 2005 00:02
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NO WEAKNESS! 2J IS TEH KING!
I hope this helps you out in your investigation
Dan
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Thu, 28 July 2005 00:27
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just dump 15 grand into it and overnight parts from japan if you need to and it will decimate all
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Thu, 28 July 2005 00:39
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| Hunty wrote on Thu, 28 July 2005 10:27 |
just dump 15 grand into it and overnight parts from japan if you need to and it will decimate all
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you just reminded me of that ffast and the furious comic
WHERE'S THE TURBO?!
I DUNNO, I THINK ITS INSIDE THESE JAPANESE ENGINES. NO WORRIES, I CAN GET A KIT OVERNIGHT FROM JAPAN.
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I can't... I have that...
Stupid Ricer?
Yeah, that.
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Thu, 28 July 2005 00:49
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TOO-JAY-ZED NO SHIT!
They are tough engines... heaps of people are making big HP even with the stock bottomend. Clean up the head (casting daggies?) and better cams for your situation. All the usual stuff.
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Thu, 28 July 2005 01:31
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What on earth is a TOO-JAY-ZED  ...
everything I know came from fast and the furious, 'cos it is king, so you must be talking about a ...
"TOO-JAY-ZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" ;
But seriously, keep a tab on the revs, 'cos at that kind of endurance level, the valve train and oiling will be limitations. I wouldn't worry about the integrity of the block (in the short term).
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Thu, 28 July 2005 01:33
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I think the 2jz-gte is the greatest inline 6 ever built. Probably the greatest 6 cylinder ever built. I'm judging it on not only power output, but reliablity engineered into it from those superior japs.
No weaknesses/design fualts have really surfaced that i know of with these engines, maybe the sequentional turbo setup is the only fualt i've read with these engines, otherwise toyota made this engine close to perfect IMHO.
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Thu, 28 July 2005 01:43
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| dingaling wrote on Thu, 28 July 2005 11:33 |
I think the 2jz-gte is the greatest inline 6 ever built. Probably the greatest 6 cylinder ever built. I'm judging it on not only power output, but reliablity engineered into it from those superior japs.
No weaknesses/design fualts have really surfaced that i know of with these engines, maybe the sequentional turbo setup is the only fualt i've read with these engines, otherwise toyota made this engine close to perfect IMHO.
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*Cough BMW M3 3.2l inline, Porsche 911 GT3 3.6 Flat six, any TVR motor cough*, i wouldn't sprout praise too prematurely there are plenty of marvellous inline sixes in the world.
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Thu, 28 July 2005 01:46
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What's wrong with the sequential turbo setup? I thought that was a good thing?
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Thu, 28 July 2005 02:00
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"*Cough BMW M3 3.2l inline, Porsche 911 GT3 3.6 Flat six, any TVR motor cough*, i wouldn't sprout praise too prematurely there are plenty of marvellous inline sixes in the world."
Sure they are good too, but i think the 2jz-gte is better, the germans used to be the best with engineering but i don't think they are anymore, they can still produce some sweet expensive cars. But there reliabilty has gone down the drain. And like i said i wasn't judging the 2jz-gte just on power but also reliabilty.
The japanese in my opinion are making the most reliably cars these days(for last 20 years really), and i'm not surprised, They have a strong mechanical and electronics industry.
Heck i have a toyota sewing machine for the early 1900's that is still operating perfectly. (all mechanical, must take a video of it in action)
"What's wrong with the sequential turbo setup? I thought that was a good thing?"
Yeah it's a great system, all i was pointing out tho is that if there is a weakness/design fualt with the 2jz-gte, the sequentional setup is about the only thing i've ever read about going wrong with them(common?), something to do with a valve. Not much to bag a 2jz-gte out with, compared to the 1jz-gte turbo's or 7m headgaskets.
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Re: 800hp 2JZ-GTE
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Thu, 28 July 2005 02:52
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Peh...
Tell me if someone gave you the option of having a toyota 2jz over a m3 motor that you'd have the toyota..
I'm a toyota fan and all, but seriously, you'd have to have mental issues if you had the 2j.
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Thu, 28 July 2005 02:57
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Porsche motors lmao "over engineered piece of crap" quote from race engine builder that does gt3's for racing.laughed my guts out when he said it. lets not get into the suspension geometry!
bmw make nice 6's and 8's but not worth the money they charge for them. and tvr poms arnt know for there engines,that said they made some mean planes in WWll{must have been an aussie designer}.
lol
mick
p.s please dont talk about gay, fast and the frivolous,it makes me cringe,what a load of horse shit those couple of movies are.
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Thu, 28 July 2005 03:17
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Sure i'd take the M3 motor, sell it buy a 2jz-gte work it and still have a nice chunk of $$ left over to pocket.
And the poor bastard that buys the shizer m3 motor will be selling his house to replace the worn rings, or whatever eventually breaks.
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Thu, 28 July 2005 08:22
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Thu, 28 July 2005 11:43 |
*Cough BMW M3 3.2l inline, Porsche 911 GT3 3.6 Flat six, any TVR motor cough*, i wouldn't sprout praise too prematurely there are plenty of marvellous inline sixes in the world.
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ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... The GT3 Flat six is not an inline six. But they sound evil  ! My boss still hasn't let me drive his carrera... 
But you can't possibly compare these engines. On the topic of the post, who the f**k would put a BMW M3 engine on a boat?? The BMW, porsche and TVR are focused engines, effective in their respective fields, compared to the ever reliable toyota engine, with it's vast hp potential.
As I see it, they have completely different purposes, and each does what they do extremely well.
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Thu, 28 July 2005 08:41
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^^^^^a guy has two lambo motors on a boat !
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Thu, 28 July 2005 10:35
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| tricky wrote on Thu, 28 July 2005 18:22 |
| Corona RT142 wrote on Thu, 28 July 2005 11:43 |
*Cough BMW M3 3.2l inline, Porsche 911 GT3 3.6 Flat six, any TVR motor cough*, i wouldn't sprout praise too prematurely there are plenty of marvellous inline sixes in the world.
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ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... The GT3 Flat six is not an inline six. But they sound evil ! My boss still hasn't let me drive his carrera...
But you can't possibly compare these engines. On the topic of the post, who the f**k would put a BMW M3 engine on a boat?? The BMW, porsche and TVR are focused engines, effective in their respective fields, compared to the ever reliable toyota engine, with it's vast hp potential.
As I see it, they have completely different purposes, and each does what they do extremely well.
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he also stated it was probably the best six cylinder engine ever, oh and i wouldn't say BMW's aren't reliable read ads for the old E36 and many of them have clocked up plenty of kays and are still kicking or the old M5 with the six plenty examples with over 200k kms.
See what you have to remember is europeans do a lot of driving so there cars are built to last, no matter what they run they are pretty damn reliable with the exception of italians and a couple of french cars.
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Thu, 28 July 2005 10:55
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Yes and i'm not the only one that has made that statement, i seem to remember Julian Edgar from auto speed having the same opinion (pretty sure thats the guy)
It was quite amusing today at work when i ventured into a bmw forum and here are these bmw nuts praising the 2jz! a few of them really regretting sellign there jza80 for beamers. i shit you not i will dig the link up and post it. But enough shit flinging.
Everyone can have there own opinion.
I don't doubt those claims of old beamers bieng reliable. They were as were most german cars back then, it's only recently within the last 10 years that they have dropped the ball with reliabilty. Weather that be there electronics are failing rather then the mechanical side i am not sure. But read some of those reliabilty surveys.
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Thu, 28 July 2005 11:01
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those reliability surveys are a load of crock they are created in the us for starters and simply work on number of complaints. Now i put it too you who is more likely to complain about their car even if it be that the dash is slightly not square a BMW owner or something that just purchased a Korean or US car for 10K US vs 50K for the BMW. the surveys mean jack as they just reflect that a rich ppl whinge over little things, though they probably have a right to cos if you pay that much for a car it better be perfect.
Put it this way if you go out and by a hyundai you are gonna expect something to go wrong, by a bmw you wouldn't so you are gonna complain.
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Thu, 28 July 2005 12:12
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Watch the crank pulley/harmonic balancer. They can come apart on you. Aftermarket isn't always a good idea either as it can mess up the whole harmonic balancing thing. It's the rubber bit in the middle that apparently gives way and you end up with a free-spinning crank.
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Thu, 28 July 2005 12:24
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yeah they might mean didley squat, depends how they got there statistics, i dunno. But your argument about the expensive car vs the cheap car isn't a good point as the lexus's were usually the winners in those surveys.
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Thu, 28 July 2005 12:25
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2JZ is not necessarily the best 6 potter ever made - I sure as hell wouldn't fit one to a Kenworth! It's all about the intended purpose...
BMW have (and still do) make some great car engines, for their intended purpose. However, having completed 200,000km doesn't necessarily make an engine completely good - there's plenty of VNs out there with multiples of that on them, and I wouldn't exactly describe them as a particularly desirable engine...
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Thu, 28 July 2005 17:29
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| dingaling wrote on Thu, 28 July 2005 20:55 |
Yes and i'm not the only one that has made that statement, i seem to remember Julian Edgar from auto speed having the same opinion (pretty sure thats the guy)
It was quite amusing today at work when i ventured into a bmw forum and here are these bmw nuts praising the 2jz! a few of them really regretting sellign there jza80 for beamers. i shit you not i will dig the link up and post it. But enough shit flinging.
Everyone can have there own opinion.
I don't doubt those claims of old beamers bieng reliable. They were as were most german cars back then, it's only recently within the last 10 years that they have dropped the ball with reliabilty. Weather that be there electronics are failing rather then the mechanical side i am not sure. But read some of those reliabilty surveys.
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cos Julian knows all huh.. i read it in autospeed/fast fours/hot fours forums, it must be true...  anyway...
BMW motors are excellent NA motors. they have high volumetric efficiency over a large rpm range, and because of this make great torque numbers.. this may make them fel a little slow because the torque curve is flat.
the 2jzeeeeeeee is an excellent turbo motor, built strong and with a big enough turbo, it can make excellent power, but i would venture in NA form, it is not as good as the beemer..
the big difference is that the BMW motors are typically tuned for lower rpm than toyota motors, and consequently have a wider rpm range of good torque, but may not make the _power_ numbers of a toyota motor....power ain't everything
sure 2J is a good motor, but BEST is far too subjective a matter to continue post-whoring about 
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Thu, 28 July 2005 22:45
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my favourite part was when the people who dont even own either of these engines were arguing.
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Thu, 28 July 2005 23:27
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Be nice Rob
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Thu, 28 July 2005 23:36
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| oldcorollas wrote on Fri, 29 July 2005 03:29 |
sure 2J is a good motor, but BEST is far too subjective a matter to continue post-whoring about
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Yeah... That's what I tried to say like 10 posts ago...
And I don't think this is on topic... There was never any suggestion of anything other than a 2JZGTE being used in this "top-secret" application. It's amusing how bitchy everyone got though!!
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Fri, 29 July 2005 00:00
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Ah i'm outnumbered 
bah, ok lets change that to one of the best 6's then, to stop me getting flammed.
But anyhow, one last shit fling? the bmw is without a doubt an awesome NA motor, i guess this m3 motor is actually more effecient then a honda NA motor? or at least like you say has a broader torque curve. (maybe honda are just the ultimate with na 4's)
But it still bugs me that no one is looking at it from a reliabilty point of view, the m3 motor is tuned and running very near it's limits wouldn't you say old oldcorollas, I have not really seen/heard of these motor's bieng worked up, maybe owners don't wan't to mess with there brand new BMW's. 2jz-gte isn't even close to it's limits. But then again i'm comparing a NA to a Turbo so i'll go worship the 2jz privatly from now on. *cough traitor*
Back to you Geoff!
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Fri, 29 July 2005 00:04
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actually you can work the M3's a couple euro tuning companies in aus will get them to 300kw as a package NA.
Plenty of tuners in europe Haman or whatever but they usually end up bolting turbos on the sucker and making nutty power.
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Fri, 29 July 2005 00:25
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Yo, corona RT142.
I'm not denying that the M3 is an awesome NA engine, nor am I denying that if I had the money and middle aged sleaze factor, I would indeed own a porsche gt3 RS over any other car. In fact I would go so far as to say that I prefer NA power to turbo power, but sometimes you gotta admit that power wise (and torque curve wise), the 2JZ is just warming up by the time it's putting down numbers equivalent to the german technology.
And yeah, power to capacity, the honda F20 (174kW:2.0L) kills the M3 engine, but it has to be at 9000rpm to do that. If you look at the area under the torque curve for these two engines, the M3 has a significantly greater amount of useable power at lower rpm.
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Fri, 29 July 2005 04:55
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| tricky wrote on Fri, 29 July 2005 10:25 |
And yeah, power to capacity, the honda F20 (174kW:2.0L) kills the M3 engine, but it has to be at 9000rpm to do that. If you look at the area under the torque curve for these two engines, the M3 has a significantly greater amount of useable power at lower rpm.
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exactly...
the F20 is making 105Nm/L, the BMW is making (iirc) 100Nm/L.
the difference is, the S2000 is doing it between 7000-9000rpm (or something), and the M3 does it betwen 1500-5000rpm....
yes the honda makes more power outright, but the BMW motor, with similar intake development, could do the same thing.. ie increase power as such and dramatically reduce power band...
sucks when a motor falls of cam tho .. laso sucks wen your euro barge is dragging dead weight.. decisions decisions...
anyhoo, back on topic, i reiterate what i said before.. she'll be foine, sinc eyou are replacing most bots anyway.. a good tune and careful attention to engine temps and EGT's (think of it like aplane motor i guess) and she'll be sweet..
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actually the M3 has 365Nm of torque making it 114Nm of torque per L
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Fri, 29 July 2005 05:11
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were's gefgef gone to?
mick
p.s if you want real power motor,dont get a 2j,bmw or ferarri,get the mighty 4ag!lol
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Fri, 29 July 2005 05:20
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heh heh, spoontah dorito boys
"my 4AG smells like cat food"
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Fri, 29 July 2005 10:04 |
actually you can work the M3's a couple euro tuning companies in aus will get them to 300kw as a package NA.
Plenty of tuners in europe Haman or whatever but they usually end up bolting turbos on the sucker and making nutty power.
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What compression ratio and revs are required to make a 300kw M3 engine?
BTW if you wanted to compare apples with apples you would be comparing 2jz-ge with the m3 motor. M3 is highly tuned from the factory whereas the 2jz isn't that highly tuned. I have heard of a NA jza80 supra in brisbane that was running 12's so they can make some power.
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| Chris Davey wrote on Fri, 29 July 2005 15:38 |
What compression ratio and revs are required to make a 300kw M3 engine?
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No idea its just what is claimed by some of the tuning houses in ads in the back of motor. Ie they have kits for the Audi S4 for 300kw and the M3 for the Same power don't say what is done just advertise that they have mods available for that power etc.
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No idea its just what is claimed by some of the tuning houses in ads in the back of motor. Ie they have kits for the Audi S4 for 300kw and the M3 for the Same power don't say what is done just advertise that they have mods available for that power etc.
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Prolly just a hiclone, a turbo zet, and a 3" tip. Thats a recipe for success on any late model FWD four cylinder.
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Fri, 29 July 2005 06:43
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The holden 202 is better than anything bmw could make even of they joined forces with toyota.
haha fuckers as if i bet some bogan got excited for a second there
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nah we just thought stupid tasmainian fuck thats been sucking too much nawwwwwzzzzzzz
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Sigh. So much for serious tech discussion. No wonder the original poster has disappeared with helpful comments like the above.
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This thread is a classic example of the kind of shit that makes me wish there was a way to ban retards from posting in the tech and conversions area.
I best ad that to the list for things to setup in the new forum I guess.
Please people, this is supposed to be a serious tech and conversion discussion area. If you have no knowledge or the only info you know came from a magazine, a forum or the back of a rice bubbles box please don't bother cluttering up discussions with it.
Yes I know the original question is a bit pointless but just not replying would work.
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| Joshstix wrote on Fri, 29 July 2005 17:23 |
This thread is a classic example of the kind of shit that makes me wish there was a way to ban retards from posting in the tech and conversions area.
I best ad that to the list for things to setup in the new forum I guess.
Please people, this is supposed to be a serious tech and conversion discussion area. If you have no knowledge or the only info you know came from a magazine, a forum or the back of a rice bubbles box please don't bother cluttering up discussions with it.
Yes I know the original question is a bit pointless but just not replying would work.
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god josh, if i stick to the above i couldnt post anything,not even in outhouse!lol
mick
p.s first time i have ever quoted someone josh!you feel privlidged.
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Just a quick thankyou to the few that responded seriously.
The secrecy is because the person that is paying me to build this engine for what ever reason doesn't want it public. I maybe don't agree so that is why I posted the way I did.
To those that questioned the point of it. Why is it pointless? Tell me please. Why is it pointless to believe that maybe someone out there might have some actual real world experience with these engines that may have something to offer, something I may have overlooked or just don't know about. I've got a hell of a lot of experience with building standard and modified Toyota engines, do I think I'm an expert? Absolutely not, at least not like the experts on here.
What the fuck was I thinking to believe that I might have got some benefit from this. It really is quite disheartening that there are so many experts on this forum that have no actual hands on experience and feel the need to give people a hard time just because they are actually trying to have a go. Every time I've had something to offer through my own experience some dickhead has just had to say something negative. I feel embarrased that I've dragged myself that low before and said things in reply that I shouldn't have. Some of you people really need to get a life.
Again, thankyou to the few that actually had something to offer.
Geoff
Note: Maybe some of that is a bit of an overreaction. But it comes from the constant frustration of seeing thread after thread tainted by idiots that clearly have NFI. It's simple. If you don't know, don't post. If you want to talk shit, start a new thread. If you can't be constructive, shut the fuck up, and before someone feels the need, yes that includes me!
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to be serious, to make them reliable make it rev hard and smooth, good balanced internals and good valve train. the extra revs mean less boost required in the lower revs, hence less stress and chance of detonation. dont forget to keep the engine temp and boost temp under control cos they kill engines quick!
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sorry i thought the information that was required had already been added.
It had drifted waaaay off topic so i figured the thread was finished with. I'll try not to do it again.
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| 1GZFEmeets300ZX wrote on Sun, 31 July 2005 15:39 |
to be serious, to make them reliable make it rev hard and smooth, good balanced internals and good valve train. the extra revs mean less boost required in the lower revs, hence less stress and chance of detonation. dont forget to keep the engine temp and boost temp under control cos they kill engines quick!
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i think you will find this is what gefgef was talking about when he said"What the fuck was I thinking to believe that I might have got some benefit from this".
pm sent gef gef.
mick
p.s well said but there is alot of young blokes that get bored and or like to help.i know i get bored from time to time and might give someone crap{how much horsepower does a lightened flywheel give you?,as an example}but the older heads will usually answer most question properly if it hasnt been answered 1000 times before.
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I heard they are the bestest ever