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theres a castle on my hil...
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Re: ta22 engine conversion...help
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Mon, 03 May 2004 08:40
 
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go the 1UZ
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Auckland NZ
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December 2003
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Re: ta22 engine conversion...help
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Mon, 03 May 2004 08:42
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depends entirely on how much horsepower you want and what you're willing to spend. SR20DET and 13B Turbo have the most potential power but they'll also cost the most to get in there.
4AGTE is an awesome engine and can make some serious power + its been done so many times that its pretty damn easy. easy to start off with too, just drop in a bluetop, reasonably cheap if you can do most of the work yourself and easily upgradeable to 4AGZE block and turbo later. also its a toyota engine, they're pretty much bulletproof.
if you're talking about serious money i'd be looking more at things like BEAMS 3SGE with a turbo conversion and a six speed gearbox out of the IS200's, or perhaps even a 1UZFE. its been done (and its been done with twin turbo's), its a fair bit of work from the sounds though.
good luck
Matt
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Re: ta22 engine conversion...help
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Mon, 03 May 2004 08:50
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thx guyz...iz the 1uz the soara twin turbo or the straight six turbo???yer i herd the 3stge iz heaps of work and money to do cuz itz a front wheel drive engine...
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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: ta22 engine conversion...help
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Mon, 03 May 2004 08:57
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the 1uz is the toyota V8, found in soarers (amongst other cars)
the twin turbo 1uz is a custom turbo conversion
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Re: ta22 engine conversion...help
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Mon, 03 May 2004 09:00
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ahh yer now i kno the engine...yer a engine rebuilder i rang up said i shuld put that v8 in my celica...but i dunt think thats legal is it?
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Sydney
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January 2003
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Re: ta22 engine conversion...help
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Mon, 03 May 2004 09:16
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Nope, 4L capacity is too much for a little 960Kg Celica, also since the original engine capacity was 1.6L, I think the max capacity you can get for a old skool celica is 3L or 2.5L? Someone will say for sure, I did read it in the ADR's, but cant remember.
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Laverton, Vic
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July 2003
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Re: ta22 engine conversion...help
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Mon, 03 May 2004 11:09
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put the 13b turbo in. you'll own anyone on the road with a bit of work to it.
Porting and bigger turbo will do it.
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Brisbane
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.v6 commo??..help
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Mon, 03 May 2004 11:14
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Pity it's not street legal though.
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Laverton, Vic
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July 2003
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.v6 commo??..help
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Mon, 03 May 2004 11:23
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what a 13b turbo???? yeah it is, only you have to get an engineers
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sydney
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Brisbane
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.v6 commo??..help
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Mon, 03 May 2004 12:01
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if you get a pre-ecotec v6 motor, these things have massive torque off the line, and are very strong and can be played with lots. Not to mention itll make the thing go like a shower of shit. A thing to note as well is spare parts availability.
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.v6 commo??..help
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Mon, 03 May 2004 22:23
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Wun fing I rilli notarsed iz sum pplz r uzin heeps of rilli bluddy anoyang wrdz. Are we all 11 year olds with a mobile??
The SR20 is not necessarily the wisest if you're looking for 600+hp, engine internals tend to get pretty expensive when you aim that high. Holden V6 will cause you to be victim to a lot of strife from smartarses round here, whether it's a good idea or not  I've seen a 1JZ in a TA22, thing had to be cut to pieces to fit it in there though - 4 cylinders/rotors are a MUCH easier fit, and can still be made to produce fairly impressive power with a suitable sized turbo 
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.v6 commo??..help
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Mon, 03 May 2004 23:03
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| wombat wrote on Mon, 03 May 2004 21:23 |
what a 13b turbo???? yeah it is, only you have to get an engineers
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In Victoria perhaps, but the person who started this thread is from Qld so he won't get a 13B turbo street-legal in a TA22... not without spending an absolute bucketload of money anyway.
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.v6 commo??..help
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Tue, 04 May 2004 09:32
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13B isn't legal. sr20 good conversion if u dont want to spend too much and want value for money. toyota four bangers, all 4a conversions are good, so is the 3s and the popular t series motors can hold their own on the road. but why dont u drop in a 12a turbo. perfectly legal, relatively cheap, bucket loads of potential, and it wont way the front end of ur ta22 at all, everything will sit behind the strut towers as well so u will have one hell of a go-kart on ur hands. 500hp at the wheels is very achievable from a 12a turbo and is way cheaper to achieve than a piston motor due to the simple fact that is has a hell of a lot less moving parts in a rotor. Why the hell would u want to drop ina commo v6? 
1: it will never be legal
2: it's a buick front wheel drive motor.
3: it was designed and developed in 1960
4: it was droppped from production by buick during the oil crissis of the 70's
5:holden bought the plans for that motor in the late 80's and didnt change a thing about it. and its still getting stuffed into commonhores till today.
thats my 2c
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.v6 commo??..help
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Tue, 04 May 2004 10:06
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Has anyone ever stuck a 4E-FTE engine in a TA22? I imagine a fitting gearbox wouldn't be so easy to locate 
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.v6 commo??..help
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Tue, 04 May 2004 10:14
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And not a Soul has mentioned the 3sgte for this one ..
How surprising ..
If your in brisbane be nice to Cool1 and you might get to see what a 3sgte in a ta22 can go like - I can guarantee a sr20 powered ta22 would be easily met on power grounds , plus they are capable fo 400 HP with bolt on parts without having to swap alot of the engine components
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brisbane
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March 2003
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.v6 commo??..help
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Tue, 04 May 2004 10:31
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sr20det would be the best option i think
std they put out respectable hp and it is very easy to buy upgrades for them and respond well to mods...
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north brisbane
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September 2003
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.v6 commo??..help
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Fri, 07 May 2004 11:04
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ok thx heaps for the response guys....someone said a 12a turbo???...could anyone give me details on the engine...capacity/stock hrs pwr...i dont kno much bout rotors, but i'm keen 2 learn more...how hard to put a 12a turbo in a ta22?? what would i have to do with gearbox,drive line..ect..???
either that or the sr20det....anyone kno where i can get info on the conversion on either the sr20det or the 12a turbo??
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Melbourne
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June 2003
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Fri, 07 May 2004 15:37
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i heard somewhere that 12a turbos are a direct bolt in TA22s
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north brisbane
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Sat, 08 May 2004 11:32
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does anyone else kno about the 12a turbo bein a direct bolt in??
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Sat, 08 May 2004 17:52
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wherever a sr20 can fit, so can a ca18det.
If u like the design of the 4ag, ca18 is very similiar... adds bigger displacement oil squirters and crank girdle.
U can make 400whp on stock internals. Money saved, spend on tuning
I'd freshen rod bearings on any 'old' 4 cyl.
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Brisbane
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Sun, 09 May 2004 05:45
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| TA22 wrote on Sat, 08 May 2004 01:37 |
i heard somewhere that 12a turbos are a direct bolt in TA22s
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BAAAAhahaha!! 
Come on dude, you can't possibly believe that?
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Barossa Valley
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July 2002
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Sun, 09 May 2004 11:00
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ive been thinking of putting a 1G-GTE in my TA22 but ive heard of problems with weight distribution due to the fact that its heavyier than the 2T and this could cause handling probs? Does anyone know someone thats completed this conversion successfully?
if so id like to contact them
thanks
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Melbourne
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June 2003
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Sun, 09 May 2004 16:54
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u should have no problems, ive heard 1ggte's are direct bolt in's too
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Brisbane
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Sun, 09 May 2004 23:02
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Gold.
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Melbourne
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Sun, 09 May 2004 23:34
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Gotta have a good chuckle "Straight" bolt-in
Seriously, freakincage_com... you need to start by telling us 2 things...
1. What is your desired rear wheel horsepower?
2. What is your budget?
It would make it much easier to answer your questions, if you could answer these. I'd say if you have never owned a decent fast car before than anything that produced around 200kw at the wheels (around 300kw at the flywheel) would keep you happy, but you may want more than this???
Speaking from experience with a few TA-22/23s I have worked on, something with this much rwkw like this in a well setup TA-22 would be good for around a 12.5 sec quater mile with around a 185km/h trap speed. - Would you be happy with that?
Let us know your answers to this, & we can give you some clearer direction..
Cheers.
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Barossa Valley
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July 2002
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Mon, 10 May 2004 00:08
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id be looking for any amount of ???bhp that allows me to wipe the smiles off the faces of all those  commondore drivers!!!
does anyone know roughly how many kw at the wheels you would need to do this?? also whats a resonable rear wheel horsepower figure for a 1G-GTE in a TA22??
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Mon, 10 May 2004 00:27
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If you just want to beat a Commodore, that's not exactly hard to do (and not such a lofty aspiration, but that's another matter). I reckon 200hp at the flywheel would dispatch most garden-variety Commodores, and 300hp will leave just about anything in your wake.
The suggestion of 300kW (approx 400hp) sounds good in theory but in practice it would be dangerous in a TA22. It's scary enough in an MA61 which is a much larger and more stable chassis.
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Melbourne
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August 2003
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Mon, 10 May 2004 01:03
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Just as Norbie said "that's not exactly hard to do (and not such a lofty aspiration, but that's another matter)" 
If you really want to know the stats, a top of the line HSV GTS 5.7 litre 300kw special vehicle, weighs 1710kg & is good for around a 13.3 sec quarter mile (According to HSV)
If you had 200kw at the wheels in a TA-22 you would be looking at a 12.5 sec quater mile.
That is almost a second faster! Picture something going at around 180km/h & then travel for 1 second to get an idea of the gap.
So would you be happy with that???
If so 200kw (at the wheels) would be enough to keep a "smile on your dial"
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Melbourne
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Mon, 10 May 2004 03:26
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well roughly, my vn is pulling between about 175hp at the wheels so 200 would eat it considering theres 400kgs advantage to the celica
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Barossa Valley
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Mon, 10 May 2004 06:10
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i just wanna shut my mates up who all own commodores and think they are the **shit**
is 200+ rearkW easily atainable from a 1G-GTE TA22?
if so i can get a manual engine package for $1600
including computer and wiring loom. Is that a rip-off??
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Mon, 10 May 2004 22:43
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If money is no option, why don't you opt for a 151/152e (from memory)as it'll bolt straight in and you'll have lots of fun. If you can afford one. Only god knows what a turbo on the side of these motors will do! If you're thinking of a different manufacturer, and sr20's are ringing bells, i'd seriously consider dropping in a FJ20DET as they are literally bullet proof and are very easy for 600hp, but then again the 3SGTE is also an underrated motor which are also good for an easy 600hp. I'd personally stick to a toyota engine!
If you want brutal power with load of torque, just drop in a 7MGTE (or 2JZGTE). Don't worry about V8's as L6's can also make the power and more. Read in the track talk section about that CHEAP $440 1JZGTE with a second hand T04 running max speed of a salt lake at 204mph. All the V8 drivers freaked out!
My two cents!
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I supported Toymods
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melbourne.victoria.austra...
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June 2002
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Brisbane
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Tue, 11 May 2004 00:22
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It's all very easy to say "drop in this" or "drop in that", but let's get back to reality. An M series or JZ series engine WILL NOT FIT in a TA22 (not without major surgery anyway), and it won't be street-legal anyway. Even a 1G is a bit of a stretch in that tiny engine bay.
Personally I'd go the 3T-GTE, a conversion which has been done a million times before in TA22's. With a decent turbo and intercooler it will blow away 99% of Commodores, and it will actually fit without having to hack up firewalls etc, plus as a bonus you can even register it legally!
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Tue, 11 May 2004 00:50
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I'm with Norbie on this one... the 3T-GTE or is probably the best bang for buck conversion you could do in a TA-22.
You could also note the 4A-GTE is well suited to the TA-22 also.
Also, don't forget the word - legal
Yes sure, I was crazy enough to squish a 1JZ in a TA-22, & as a result had a LOT of modifications to do, just to get the damn thing to fit.
In the end (after a lot of trial & error) I had a car that ran consistant low 12s, a best 12.071 @ 114mph ...
Produced 237rwkw @ 18psi (1.2 bar) boost... (That's around 335kw at the flywheel)... but even this required all sorts of tweaks, & more $$$$ spent to the 1JZ to get it this good.
But I would NOT recommend this conversion to anyone, who isn't either:
a. Crazy - & really loves the TA-22
b. Got too much $$$ to spend
c. Is looking for a real challenge
d. Wants straight line speed over handling
e. Doesn't care too much about road registration.
So if you are not a crazed reasonably wealthy individual who likes a real difficult challenge with plenty of headaches & going fast in a straight line... Go the 3T-GTE
It all comes back to the 2 questions though:
1. What is your desired rear wheel horsepower?
2. What is your budget?
freakincage_com, can you answer these?
[Updated on: Tue, 11 May 2004 01:04]
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Hamiltron
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Tue, 11 May 2004 01:02
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i love how engine conversions are soo easy
was once told that if i turned my mounts upsidedown that i could just bolt in a 13b and wham conversion complete
Hahaha
go for a 12a turbo if u want the cheapest and easiest conversion as its running carbs so u wont need to muck around with ecu and wiring etc etc.
Anything with efi will end up costing you buckets (but if u got $$ to spend go with the 1uz)
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Tue, 11 May 2004 01:45
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What planet are you from? 12A turbo is EFI.
As for EFI costing "buckets", I don't know how many EFI conversions you've done but the only extra expense is the installation of an in-tank EFI pump (or surge tank and external pumps) and new fuel hoses. Not a big deal really and certainly not what I'd call "buckets".
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north brisbane
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Thu, 13 May 2004 11:38
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yer thx for the response, i think i'm just goin to get a 3T-GTE for now...but i heard that adding a 2TG head increases flow because the 2TG haz a better flow design?????anyone herd about this...i kno there is the 2TG/3T hybrid..so would the trubo hybrid b the same...? and is it really worth it??
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I supported Toymods
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Thu, 13 May 2004 20:01
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i'm with yogi although my missus won't let me have a bike.
yogi - interesting comment on the 22 and doors/boots not closing. thought as much. can anyone say rollcage? toby...?
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north brisbane
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September 2003
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Sat, 15 May 2004 07:35
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ROLLCAGE:D
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Darwin
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Sun, 16 May 2004 07:58
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Why Not a 2S-c bolt on a 3S-GE head Straight Bolt in as I Believe it has the same block as a 3S-GE and the Bonus is it has a W5x Gearbox already. Saves mucking around with Gearboxes and other stuff. You may need to change the Pistons and timing belt?
Then Turbo IT.
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Sun, 16 May 2004 13:50
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And what will that prove? You'll still have issues with the manifolding, which is most of the reason it's difficult to put a 3S in a RWD engine bay. Using a 2S block won't make anything easier at all, but it will introduce other minor difficulties like pistons hitting valves. This is generally not desirable.
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north brisbane
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September 2003
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Wed, 19 May 2004 12:19
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guys a friend of mines cuz crashed her silvia...(rear end damage)she will sell me engine, gearbox and loom,ect for 2000...she said its a sr20 det "freak motor"..anyone heard of this FREAK MOTOR??? and who has done the ta22 sr20det conversion???like has anyone got a webpage on the conversion????
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Wed, 19 May 2004 14:56
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Answers
I haven't, search here and here
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Melbourne
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June 2003
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Wed, 19 May 2004 15:40
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freak motors are just really good engines which have for some reason or another outperformed all others of the same make.
say for example a mates tx3 1.6 was a freak motor. it was stock, and it just went absolutely hard, better than wat theyre meant to. theyre known as freaks..
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Wed, 19 May 2004 22:12
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You don't *SERIOUSLY* believe that 
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Re: ta22 engine conversion.??..help
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Thu, 20 May 2004 13:36
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of course i do. theres many like that. u cant say that all engines will behave the same
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