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Location: Colac, Victoria
Registered: May 2002
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Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Tue, 27 January 2004 07:08
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Who here would like a parts listing and pictures of all the bits needed to complete a St185 group A bumper swap ?
As far as i know i have every piece of the puzzle now
And all of the parts numbers ..
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Location: Epping, Sydney
Registered: April 2003
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Re: Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Tue, 27 January 2004 07:13
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ME! oh wait... I have to have a gt4 do I? oh..
well.. "soon"
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Location: Colac, Victoria
Registered: May 2002
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Re: Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Tue, 27 January 2004 07:16
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Hurry up and buy one rob - We all know you want one
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: February 2003
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Location: Colac, Victoria
Registered: May 2002
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: February 2003
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Location: Colac, Victoria
Registered: May 2002
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Re: Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Tue, 27 January 2004 12:27
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theres a secondary mount you would have found taking the other off - that the centre pillar bolts to - the group A one is different .. Only slightly - but enough for me to fo HMMM ..
it has more bolt holts to attach the plastic cover on, and i believe it aligns the centre carbon fiber thingy a little better also, otherwise it sags ..
you can - i believe use the top mount off the standard and flip it - then redrill the holes and hope it all lines up - but from every report ive read it doent feel as strong OR look as neat as using the proper mount #2 ..
I want my bumper to look PERFECT .. Very fussy about how it will look at jobs end and ill still search the world for the proper factory top mesh insert to replace my bodge effort..
Ill get a pic for you tomorrow of the one involved .. and how it lines up .. though i cant as yet get a pic of them " side by side "
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: February 2003
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Re: Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Tue, 27 January 2004 12:33
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erk... have I put the main mounting bar on upside down? Just looking at the pics, maybe its meant to go the other way (ie. so the bar sits lower)... can anyone advise?
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Location: Colac, Victoria
Registered: May 2002
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Re: Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Tue, 27 January 2004 12:43
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cant tell - i ahvent got my bumper off yet !
Dreadign that job !
How long did it take you to strip it ?
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: February 2003
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Re: Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Tue, 27 January 2004 22:41
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about a 2 hour job including reinstallation. Not that hard at all.
- Put headlights up. Remove headlights (4 small screws removed on chrome trim)
- Remove plastic trim between radiator support panel and top bumper mount
- Remove parker lights and indicators
- Remove fake carbon fibre trim piece
- Remove all 5 bolts on the top bumper mount
- Remove 1 bolts on both sides of the bumper mount
- Remove screwbolts from underside of bumper attaching the underbody tray
- Remove the 8 (?) plastic clips attaching the bumper to the underside of the main support bar
- At the sides of the bumper pull out (it clips onto the fender, pull straight out from the side)
- Remove the bumper
- Undo the main bumper support bolts and feed them out thru the top (this is why you need to remove headlights).
Installation is the reverse of removal (always wanted to say that).
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Registered: May 2003
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Location: Colac, Victoria
Registered: May 2002
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Re: Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Thu, 29 January 2004 07:25
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Reinforcement #1 52021-20210
Reinforcement #2 52029-20020
Fascia 52119-20929
Grille LH 53104-20030
Grille RH 5 53103-20030
Grille Lower 53102-20030
Grille Center 53101-20450
Pretty sure thats all of them ..
Havent got a part number for the waterspray kit
And cost to purchase all the parts needed + have it installed and painted + have my rear bumper painted at the same time + repaired .. Prepare yourself...
$1300 or there abouts
Its not cheap - thats for sure - mind you ive bought all the parts genuine toyota bar for the Reinforcment number 1 which i picked up second hand - and i made the small centre grill myself
You can do it cheaper by making your own mesh sections and by dodgying the reinforcment #2 , by using the one you have , and modifying it to fit - but everyone ive asked and everywhere ive read says it looks cheap if the parts arent genuine.
Im also getting a car resprayer to paint and fit the bumper correctly + get it baked. you just cant paint over the bumper - theres a special plastic primer needed so the paint adheres and remains semi flexible - otherwise it will just peel off
For informations purpose heres the part numbers for the Group A bonnet - If you cant find one second hand
Bonnet Panel (hood) 53301-20400
Guide #1 76182-20020
Guide #2 76191-20900
Retainer 76188-20010
Bulge (scoop insert) 76181-20901
Plate 76192-20010
Cushion 76186-20010
Ornament LH 75033-20020
Ornament RH 75034-20020
Cushion 76183-12030 x 7
Retaining Nut 90179-05081 x 6 For Ornaments
Retaining Nut 90179-05042 x 4 For Guide #2
Hood Scoop Bolt 90164-50033 x 3
Retaining Washer 90183-06009 x 3 For Guide #1
Scoop to hood bolt 90109-06241 x 8
Cushion 90540-06032 x 8 Hood Scoop
Retaining Nut 90179-06007
(parts numbers sourced from alltrac.net)
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: February 2003
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Re: Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Thu, 29 January 2004 10:50
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well done stuart. This thread will prove handy for a lot of people.
Could you please do us all a favour and take a pic of that hard to find top reinforcement bar?
Also I note you had a lot of trouble with making your own mesh? What gauge steel did you use? Would it be a lot easier if you used a finer mesh?
I've played with some ricer mesh before and it was quite easy to bend into shape.
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I Supported Toymods
Location: Sydney
Registered: December 2002
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Re: Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Thu, 29 January 2004 10:58
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How much did you pay for the big center piece of mesh classique??? (53101-20450)
Mines a bit flucked!
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Registered: May 2003
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Re: Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Fri, 30 January 2004 01:29
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Thanks classique....
Thats orsm. I'm finding that all toyota dealers differ in the prices quoted. Weird. I'll just shop round i guess till I find the best price.
Have you found a secondhand grp a bonnet? If so was it hard to source?
Anyway, thanks heaps for the part numbers, major help...
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Location: Colac, Victoria
Registered: May 2002
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Re: Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Fri, 30 January 2004 01:34
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Pic will be up by tonight of the reo number 2 - youll notice it curves a little more and has a heap more holes in it where the group a bumper mounts up ..
by memory i think i payed 160 ish for the main mesh toobs - most of the parts o got on mates rates - so it may vary if you go thru toyota up there - let me know though i might be able to stretch the friendship with the guy down here..
Re the mesh i made myself - it wasnt the fact of cutting it - i just got some of that 40 dollar mesh with the bad supra pic on it from autobarn - the guage is nearly identical to the genuine stuff - a little smaller by memory ..
My problem was how to attach it ..
Ended up attempting to rivit some 1/2 inch copper saddles over the points - then drilling them out + painting them all satin black.. Looks a bit dodgy - as some of the holes dont 100% line up with the rivits + aralditing the ones that i couldnt rivit - but it was my first effort .. Ill take a pic of that too if you like to show you my dodgyness VS genuine mesh
as per before ill still try to get the genuine one IF i can find it - but theres no great hurry for that
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Location: Colac, Victoria
Registered: May 2002
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I supported Toymods
Location: south of the big smoke
Registered: May 2002
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Re: Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Fri, 30 January 2004 03:52
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hmm when we did ours we just bolted it on, i didnt know about any of the other crap, it just mounted straight up
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Location: Colac, Victoria
Registered: May 2002
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: February 2003
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Re: Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Fri, 30 January 2004 11:13
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at the risk of burning out your digital camera, can we get a photo from front on?
It certainly doesn't look too different. Besides the bolt holes, but thats easily fixed.
I love your no compromise approach thou I'm the reverse of you, I don't have the cash, but I have the time and patience and tooling facilites etc.
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Location: Colac, Victoria
Registered: May 2002
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: February 2003
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Location: Colac, Victoria
Registered: May 2002
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Re: Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Fri, 30 January 2004 11:51
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if you want one i know where theres one
Shouldnt be any dearer
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: February 2003
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Re: Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Fri, 30 January 2004 12:59
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Hahah.. you'll be the death of me (financially)
You'll have a PM shortly
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Location: Colac, Victoria
Registered: May 2002
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Re: Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Tue, 03 February 2004 07:53
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And heres what it looks like on !!
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Location: Colac, Victoria
Registered: May 2002
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Re: Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Mon, 08 March 2004 01:35
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bump
* forum moderators - can we make this a sticky thread please - or at least the parts number *
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I Supported Toymods
Location: Sydney
Registered: December 2002
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Re: Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Mon, 08 March 2004 05:24
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Hey what do the "Ornaments" in your part number list referring to??? is it the eyebrows for the headlights???? if not does anyone happen to know where to get replacements?
Ornament LH 75033-20020
Ornament RH 75034-20020
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Location: Colac, Victoria
Registered: May 2002
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: February 2003
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Re: Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Tue, 09 March 2004 12:41
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Stuart,
do you mind telling us how much the bumper was to paint?
I've got mine now (thanks to Anthony and yourself) and rather than drive around looking uber cool with a black front bar, i've decided to get it painted straight away.
Oh.. and the mesh making starts soon
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Location: Colac, Victoria
Registered: May 2002
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Re: Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Wed, 10 March 2004 01:24
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to spray the front bumper - and fit , And repair my rear bumper ans respray it cost me 495 dollars all up
As for mesh making - sudffer the pain and get the genuine ones ! it makes life ALOT easier ..
even if you do try to make the middle ones - buy the outers - you wont make it loko right - without them - they are moulded - not flat pieces of mesh + stronger too ..
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Forum Moderator
Location: Toymods
Registered: February 2004
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Re: Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Wed, 10 March 2004 05:42
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Classique71 wrote on Mon, 08 March 2004 12:35 | bump
* forum moderators - can we make this a sticky thread please - or at least the parts number *
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we currently dont want to clutter sections with too many stickys
however... a faq section is being planned so stay tuned
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: August 2003
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Re: Whats needed for Grp A Gt4 Bar.
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Tue, 16 March 2004 06:58
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I had my front bumper on my ST184 cut back and resprayed a couple of months ago and it cost about $250 I think. That included removal/install, and repairing some curb scraping damage. Looks brand new now. I'm getting my Grp A front bumper done next Wednesday - which I'm taking off myself and dropping it in to the shop (I think leaving my car with them might be too tempting for some young idiot in their employ). I forgot to pick up the quote but it should be about $200. A full hood (ST184) will cost about the same. This is south Brisbane so prices may differ depending on where you are.
This weekend I will get to tackle the task of removing my first ever bumper! I've taken some parts off just to see what's involved and it seems(?) straight forward. No doubt there will be some problem that will take an extra few hours and bruising to my forehead ie. banging head against wall in frustration.
Any tips from those with experience are welcome.
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: February 2005
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