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3sgze is it possible?
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Tue, 30 November 2004 02:44
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Hey everyone,
I know things like this are usually tech and conversions - but I'm just after info for dreams at present so I didn't want to clog the tech section with stuff that wont really be of any use to me at least for a while.
I'm interested to know if anyone out there thinks doing a 3sgze (from an altezza 3sge halfcut) is a workable idea...
if so what would be involved...
From my limited tech knowledge I'm guessing a few things:
I'm guessing that I'd have to lower the compression by adjusting the type of pistons...
probably want forged pistons as well but as for anything else...
It's all guesswork and buzzwords in my head 
I'm guessing it's gonna be a costly as thing *probably cheaper to just rwd a 3sgte* but hey I like different
anyone have any thoughts (and yes I did do a search and found only one thread with limited discussion)
Cheers everyone.
*PS mods if this should be elsewhere I'll know next time*
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c'town, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: 3sgze is it possible?
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Tue, 30 November 2004 02:52
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| ra23mad wrote on Tue, 30 November 2004 13:44 |
doing a 3sgze
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| ra23mad wrote on Tue, 30 November 2004 13:44 |
(from an altezza 3sge halfcut)
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| ra23mad wrote on Tue, 30 November 2004 13:44 |
if so what would be involved...
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how much do you value your p00 hymen?
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Perth
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July 2004
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Re: 3sgze is it possible?
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Tue, 30 November 2004 02:54
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yes yes yes
hehehe
def want some lower compression..
either pistons.. or.. head shim.
nice big 40thou copper head gasket.
dunno why not can't have supercharged goodness 
I was thinking of this for my 3T-GTEU to make a GZEU or GZTEU
but it seems alot of work pipes and such to have dual induction systems.
hehe
why SC? why not Turbo?
the non turbo 3S block is the same as the turbo version?
ie. the exhaust manifold/turbo will bolt on?
but then need compression to be addressed..
why not just get a turbo version
though I guess.. just get the good pistons for it anyway.
instead of buying one, then changing the pistons anyway (if ya wanted forged etc)
*high noise, low signal*
sorry.
sounds like a fun project all the same
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Perth
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Re: 3sgze is it possible?
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Tue, 30 November 2004 03:02
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I think he is!
*fight*fight*
haha!
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: 3sgze is it possible?
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Tue, 30 November 2004 03:07
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what kind of SC would you be considering?
you'll get uber power down low, but without an expensive SC (e.g. hence the arse reaming?) that can push enough air i doubt it would be as much fun at the top end of the dial?
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Terrigal
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May 2002
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Perth
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July 2004
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Re: 3sgze is it possible?
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Tue, 30 November 2004 03:13
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3S-GZTEU!!!
go on! 
when you make something like this.. would you need
to make a dual entry intercooler?
or run turbo outlet into inlet of SC?
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Re: 3sgze is it possible?
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Tue, 30 November 2004 03:24
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| ra23mad wrote on Tue, 30 November 2004 13:59 |
Rob ra40 - I don't get you - I think I missed something here....
are you implying I should be ass reamed for wanting to supercharge a 3s?
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im commenting on what its going to cost u
not the actual project, there is no sacrilege in having a supercharged 3S-GE. 
hate to say it d00d but your "t0tally kicking teh tyres" with this one.
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Re: 3sgze is it possible?
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Tue, 30 November 2004 03:29
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Hmm without thinking much about it.. I would have said dual entry IC?
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Re: 3sgze is it possible?
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Tue, 30 November 2004 03:31
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| TurboRA28 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2004 14:12 |
I believe this is a 3SGTZE
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Who belongs to this engineering nightmare ? 
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Re: 3sgze is it possible?
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Tue, 30 November 2004 03:58
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I wish I could remember where I found those pictures. It looks like an early Celica with the twin headlights, but then the bonnet opens from the back and not the front like TA/RA celicas.
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Terrigal
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Re: 3sgze is it possible?
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Tue, 30 November 2004 04:23
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The indicators look very RA like...
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Re: 3sgze is it possible?
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Tue, 30 November 2004 04:30
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the headlight surrounds look very early RA40 but ive never seen an early RA40 GT grill before.
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nth ringwood, Victoria
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Re: 3sgze is it possible?
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Tue, 30 November 2004 05:14
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looks more like early rt132 liftback or the tt132 coupe corona again, the skirts for the struts were the same as ra40 series celicas but the fire wall was different
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New Zealand
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Re: 3sgze is it possible?
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Tue, 30 November 2004 05:32
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Actually, To me, It looks more like a early KE70.
http://www.genesis-race-division.com/devile/dxfron tqtr.jpg
But it just happens to be this one has a Gen2 3SGTE in RWD as well
http://www.genesis-race-division.com/devile/dxfron t.jpg
http://www.genesis-race-division.com/devile/
WRX Hybrid Turbo, FMIC (twin MR2 i/cs), Ported Head, ECU, tuned, Supra box with custom bell housing and Corona diff (that blew up  )
Edit: Now that I look closer, I think the car is from NZ. And I think its a 3T-GTE. I might be wrong but it certianly looks familia. There is two I know of for sure, one with 4AGTZE and one with a 3TGZTE. One of the guys at Speedtech was building one and the other showed up on Ratemyride for awhile.
[Updated on: Tue, 30 November 2004 05:42]
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Re: 3sgze is it possible?
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Tue, 30 November 2004 05:40
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Trying to steer this back onto the subject, I believe that Blitz in Japan have done a supercharger kit for the 3S-GE engined Altezza. I have seen a photo on the net but I did not keep the link.
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Re: 3sgze is it possible?
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Tue, 30 November 2004 22:43
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ok rob_ra40 --> I understand now.
Just looked up the blitz supercharger kit for 3sge:
so far have only found suppliers in the uk for the average price of:
$3020 POUNDS....which today translates too: $7456.25 AUD
On top of a decent half cut:
estimate around $2500 - $3000 (estimate - I can't remember the place I had a price from)
then getting the bugger all fitted and engineered --> that's gonna put me up over $15k hurrah....
I think I'll just stick with the 1ggte / 1ggze idea....that will set me back around $8k total (installed by pro's in adelaide)...
*sigh* all the good ideas are too expensive....
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Re: 3sgze is it possible?
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Tue, 30 November 2004 23:26
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| Daemon wrote on Tue, 30 November 2004 18:32 |
Actually, To me, It looks more like a early KE70.
Edit: Now that I look closer, I think the car is from NZ. And I think its a 3T-GTE. I might be wrong but it certianly looks familia. There is two I know of for sure, one with 4AGTZE and one with a 3TGZTE. One of the guys at Speedtech was building one and the other showed up on Ratemyride for awhile.
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It is a NZ car, it is a KE70, and it is a 3S-GTZE.
http://forums.toyspeed.org.nz/viewtopic.php?t=3492 &highlight=
Last I heard the car was not finished and ended up being broken up for parts, very unfortunate really.
Callum
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Re: 3sgze is it possible?
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Tue, 30 November 2004 23:42
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| ra23mad wrote on Wed, 01 December 2004 09:43 |
*sigh* all the good ideas are too expensive....
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Welcome to the world of Toyota modifications !
I am a mechanical idiot and I installed a 1G-GZE into my RA23 with a lot of help from some good friends and this forum, and I would have spent less than $1400, and learned a hell of a lot about my car and myself.
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Re: 3sgze is it possible?
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Wed, 01 December 2004 06:25
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a bit off topic but how do turbo and supercharger systems work?
Does the turbo outlet feed the supercharger inlet and then you'd use an aftermarket computer or a boost switch to turn the blower off when the turbo kicks in? or is it some kind of complex piping with vavles that are like re-circulating blow off valves to channel the boost?
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