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Re: TA22 Peugeot/LN/XT130 Brake Conversion - started
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| T APLUS 22 wrote on Fri, 05 March 2004 23:52 |
| SeptemberSquallIndustries wrote on Fri, 05 March 2004 22:27 |
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what they are basically selling you is a rt132/xt130 strut!
the sumitomo twin pot caliper is what comes with the strut STOCK!
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RT132 front strut
TA22 upper...
This'd give you twin piston 266mm front brakes.
But is the RT132 disc ventilated? =?
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I will possibly be using this now, thanks to a fellow toymods user.
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I'd be interested to see how this goes as it'd probably be an intermediate improvement well within my means.
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Sat, 06 March 2004 05:40
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yeah, would this be about an equal improvement as the upgrade to RA60 brakes? cos this would be a lot easier
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Re: TA22 Peugeot/LN/XT130 Brake Conversion - started
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Sat, 06 March 2004 06:10
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i think we should start a JACK thread 
i have a small problem. i got my discs on and bearings ect done up no issues there re-packed new grease all good goes together sweet.
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the ln130 caliper fouls on the steering arm. yup.
i can go back and get the rt132 steering arms from the wrecker no issues there, but will i suffer the same fate, any ideas?
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Sat, 06 March 2004 07:37
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That's... interesting... I have no idea about the steering arms, sorry  What about mounting your calipers on the opposite sides (as in, running them on the front instead of the back of the strut)?
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Re: TA22 Peugeot/LN/XT130 Brake Conversion - started
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Sat, 06 March 2004 07:43
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thats an interesting idea fook. stay tuned.
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Re: TA22 Peugeot/LN/XT130 Brake Conversion - started
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Sat, 06 March 2004 09:02
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This is probably fairly obvious, but make sure your calipers are still the correct way around (bleed valve on top) when you reverse the struts.
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Sat, 06 March 2004 10:13
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The bleed nipple will be in the same place, cause all you are doing is swapping the complete strut assembly from left to right
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Sat, 06 March 2004 21:49
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am doing this, this morning.
and yes the bleed nipple is up top fook (in the stock location with the caliper at the back yes - it still fouls)
i'll post some piccies when done. i had a good look lastnight and it should cure all my woes.
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Sun, 07 March 2004 00:54
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I have camber
ps: that's a different jack though
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Sun, 07 March 2004 01:33
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i definately got camber no issues there. pic to follow...
um, you're letting the side down with that jack, fook!!! 
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Re: TA22 Peugeot/LN/XT130 Brake Conversion - started
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Sun, 07 March 2004 12:05
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| Grega wrote on Sun, 07 March 2004 11:33 |
um, you're letting the side down with that jack, fook!!!
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Hey that looks like my jack.... wait a minute, that IS my jack
When you're done with it Fook, no rush
D.
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Re: TA22 Peugeot/LN/XT130 Brake Conversion - started
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Sun, 07 March 2004 12:44
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Considering I how have 4 trolley jacks in my garage (3 that work, 1 that doesn't) I think I can quite safely return yours But many thanks, it came into much handiness when figuring out my suspension travel and clearances to my disc...
Next time I come round I'll bring it along. I'm still using your jackstands, but if you need them back I'll bring them along too.
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Re: TA22 Peugeot/LN/XT130 Brake Conversion - started
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Mon, 08 March 2004 00:51
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The other two jacks under my car are mine
Looking purtee Mmm, big brakes I like your fancy red swaybar bushes too, I don't have any and can't get any unless I cut my swaybar off (all the bolts and brackets etc are all rusted shut)
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Re: TA22 Peugeot/LN/XT130 Brake Conversion - started
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Mon, 08 March 2004 03:26
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looks very attractive there grega!
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Re: TA22 Peugeot/LN/XT130 Brake Conversion - started
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Mon, 08 March 2004 03:45
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yes, the ability to brake and not just lock it up.... that would be nice....
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Re: TA22 Peugeot/LN/XT130 Brake Conversion - started
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Mon, 08 March 2004 05:03
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fook the bushes are all mackay gear. the swaybar is a whiteline 22mm job.
jacob, looks nice, just hope they work well
and yeah, agree the stock brakes, just didn't kind of cut it (at all) - they were horrible.
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Re: TA22 Peugeot/LN/XT130 Brake Conversion - started
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Mon, 08 March 2004 19:10
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ok question for all you brake nutters.
if i get one piece of braided line that goes b/w the caliper and the body, but, route it thru the strut leg hole (with a rubber grommet) would this be legal?
or am i better off just running the braided line b/w the body and the strut leg and then having a solid piece b/w the caliper and the strut leg?
anyone?
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Mon, 08 March 2004 21:08
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Would it work? I can't see why not. Would it be legal? I have no idea, time to give the friendly engineer a call
Besides, why wouldn't you run the solid front section of the pipe? That way you can run shorter braided lines (i think braided lines aren't cheap and even though they do bulge less than normal rubber lines they still DO bulge).
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Re: TA22 Peugeot/LN/XT130 Brake Conversion - started
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Tue, 09 March 2004 05:20
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WTF 80 posts aren't your brakes finished yet Grega?
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Re: TA22 Peugeot/LN/XT130 Brake Conversion - started
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Tue, 09 March 2004 05:54
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it will be a million at the rate i'm going hey whats the rush anyway. waiting on caliper kits (again)
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Tue, 09 March 2004 05:58
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Hmm, I actually have a spare caliper kit (for the landcruiser calipers - two big pistons and two small) if that'll help you at all...
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Re: TA22 Peugeot/LN/XT130 Brake Conversion - started
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Tue, 09 March 2004 06:42
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45.5mm pistons fook dude...
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Tue, 09 March 2004 07:50
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| Grega wrote on Tue, 09 March 2004 16:54 |
it will be a million at the rate i'm going hey whats the rush anyway. waiting on caliper kits (again)
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No rush, just stirring and watching with interest.
Peace.
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Re: TA22 Peugeot/LN/XT130 Brake Conversion - started
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Tue, 09 March 2004 12:52
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Grega: Sounds like yours are the Hilux ones (4 same sized pistons?)
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Tue, 09 March 2004 13:01
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Grega are you sure that you have 45.5mm pistons. Just asking this because I did measure mine today and they were 42.795mm exactly.
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Tue, 09 March 2004 22:15
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Cressida 15's would probably fit. They're pretty darn heavy though. I'm running 14's on mine.
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Re: TA22 Peugeot/LN/XT130 Brake Conversion - started
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Tue, 09 March 2004 23:56
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i have 14" corona alloys (same as the corolla 13" ones) and they are too small they foul on the caliper thats the only issue
cressida mx73 or previous hay...oh well...will do until i can afford something better...
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Wed, 10 March 2004 00:00
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Where do they foul? They should clear on the internal diameter unless they are a strange shape on the inside, I guess I could check mine (if I could find them  ). I've got 3 other sets of 14" rims (1 x hotwires, 2 x jellybeans) and all of mine clear the inside diameter. Both sets of jellybeans don't clear the spokes though, the inside "hat" isn't enough to clear the outside face of the caliper.
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Wed, 10 March 2004 00:09
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jeezus that was clear aye
they foul on the face of the caliper
if i ran a spacer on the front of the hub then i would be OK but they're illegal and dangerous so new rims for me.
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Wed, 10 March 2004 00:27
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Check out some datto rims, they tend to have a reasonable sized hat and therefore tend to clear this setup.
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Wed, 10 March 2004 00:29
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yep as we discussed dude will be doing so.
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Re: TA22 Peugeot/LN/XT130 Brake Conversion - started
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Wed, 10 March 2004 07:24
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Grega,
I have the 15x6 Soarer rims on my brake combo - same as yours - and with 9 of these puppies all up only two of them lightly foul the caliper front face - so those suckers are on the rear.
Have you needed to space the caliper out over the rotor by using 1mm thick washers/shims on the caliper mounting bolts ?
Cheers,
Mitch.
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Wed, 10 March 2004 07:44
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mitch, shit i didn't think of that even when the fucking thing was looking me in the face. 1mm washers to even up the pad wear - i know about a 0.5mm spring washer on there but thats it - i was only looking at the pads and indeed they do need centering somewhat.
that will actually pull the caliper back away from the front of the rim and i might get away with it.
stay tuned (further)
otherwise for those who are interested the mx73 gives you heaps of room from the front of the caliper - all good.
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Wed, 10 March 2004 07:57
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Grega,
Those 1mm spacer/washers can do wonderful things ! I just used them to centralise the calipers over the rotor's but they can have other uses - for sure.
Wonder who gets the magic 100 posts on this thread prize ?!
Cheers,
Mitch.
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Wed, 10 March 2004 08:13
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yup - its the centralising the caliper bit i don't mind the mx73 wheel actually - i reckon it looks ok.
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Re: TA22 Peugeot/LN/XT130 Brake Conversion - started
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Wed, 10 March 2004 08:33
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Ok i'm not sure if this has been asked or not, but i'm guessing that the hilux caliper is cast ion?
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Re: TA22 Peugeot/LN/XT130 Brake Conversion - started
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Wed, 10 March 2004 08:35
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While on the topic, how's my roadmap to a progressive front brake upgrade for TA22? Am I on the right track?
1. RT132 struts, original and complete, shortened 15mm with TA22 springs and TA22 upper plates. Result: complete and working OEM RT132 setup.
2. Replace RT132 discs with machined-down Peugeot vented discs, washer-space caliper to suit. Result: complete and working RT132 with vented discs.
3. Replace caliper with Hilux caliper, adjust spacer/wheel combo to suit. Result: complete and working RT132 with vented discs and four-piston calipers.
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Re: TA22 Peugeot/LN/XT130 Brake Conversion - started
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Wed, 10 March 2004 09:10
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yes shane its a dirty great big heavy shitter.
if it don't slow you down, rip it off, throw out window with chain attached and it will definately slow you down
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While on the topic, how's my roadmap to a progressive front brake upgrade for TA22? Am I on the right track?
1. RT132 struts, original and complete, shortened 15mm with TA22 springs and TA22 upper plates. Result: complete and working OEM RT132 setup.
2. Replace RT132 discs with machined-down Peugeot vented discs, washer-space caliper to suit. Result: complete and working RT132 with vented discs.
3. Replace caliper with Hilux caliper, adjust spacer/wheel combo to suit. Result: complete and working RT132 with vented discs and four-piston calipers.
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1. are you going to shorten the strut housing? if so, then the rt132 strut will not fit and neither will the ta22 one as the gland nut is different that holds the strut in the strut housing for one, and, the actual housing length is 430mm on the rt132 vs the celica which is 400.
2. yep. f272 dba rotors turned down to 266mm (same OD as rt132 and xt130 rotors) just vented and thicker these rotors FWIW are normally made by brembo if you're interested.
3. yes. LN130, LN106 et al calipers. caliper kit from toyota $85 trade part 04479-60020 - 91-96 hilux type calipers 45.5mm piston diameter.
in saying this you may come across the same problem i did with the brake calipers fouling on the steering arms. i swapped my struts from left to right to mount the calipers at the front and avoid them fouling.
also remember a brake master 15/16" (fook enlighten us on the number jb1762 or something, mitsu triton/pajero master) and new brake lines in the engine bay and to the calipers (as the stock ones are too short, but, FWIW the rt132 flexible ones seem to do the trick ok with custom strut to caliper ones)
HTH in your quest. i'll scan my measurements of struts and post it up too - its a pretty fucked pic but you'll get the idea.
[Updated on: Wed, 10 March 2004 09:17]
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Wed, 10 March 2004 09:11
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 Ok  I'm not sure about this now as I have already added to much heavy stuff to the car 
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Wed, 10 March 2004 09:24
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1. are you going to shorten the strut housing? if so, then the rt132 strut will not fit and neither will the ta22 one as the gland nut is different that holds the strut in the strut housing for one, and, the actual housing length is 430mm on the rt132 vs the celica which is 400.
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I thought the corona strut length was an inch or so too long (the 30mm you describe) so you'd need to shorten the strut below the lower spring seat to lower the seat and correct total strut length when using TA22 springs.
But then what insert to use if the Corona one is longer and the TA22 one can't be physically installed. Basically need a Corona pattern insert, higher rate or around 30mm shorter than standard? Any idea on a donor car?
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Wed, 10 March 2004 09:30
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SSI i know fook (demuire) shortened his strut by some 40mm and went the coil over setup with ae92? struts...
otherwise not sure what strut you could use in its place. alternatively you could leave the strut alone, run the rt132 strut and get a 15mm shorter TA22 spring...i'm using a king spring (which is already low) and not sure how i'll go on (car is still on stands will know in a week or so's time if it sits too high/low)
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Wed, 10 March 2004 09:33
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OK just refreshed and saw your diagram.
So the Corona strut positions the spring seat 15mm higher than the TA22 strut. Repositioning the spring seat is required to maintain intended ride height with TA22 spring.
Cut and shut 15mm out of the strut body.
Now the whole strut is 15mm shorter, and the springs are shorter-travel items already. What shorte-stroke/high-rate insert is compatible with the Corona pattern strut? The RT132 item would probably be inadequate.
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Wed, 10 March 2004 09:37
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Damn you keep replying while I'm replying and beating me to it just wait goddamnit! *laughs hard* Okay. Thanks for your help!
So AE92 insert will fit the Corona lower strut? How about the TA22 upper plate? Not sure myself as I've actually never had the struts apart.
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Wed, 10 March 2004 09:41
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otherwise not sure what strut you could use in its place. alternatively you could leave the strut alone, run the rt132 strut and get a 15mm shorter TA22 spring...i'm using a king spring (which is already low) and not sure how i'll go on (car is still on stands will know in a week or so's time if it sits too high/low)
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Fair enough. I've already got springs, dunno if I'd be keen to shell out for new springs if I can just select appropriate inserts (which I'll have to replace anyway) and maintain as much bump travel as I can.
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Wed, 10 March 2004 09:52
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For shock dimensions:
http://www.garagedori.com/tech/shocks.php
I'm using RT132 struts shortened 40mm, with 25mm spacers. AE92 shocks which provide much shorter stroke.
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Wed, 10 March 2004 10:01
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True. Maybe I might just come and have a look at your setup and see how it looks in the flesh 
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Wed, 10 March 2004 10:05
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Sure. As long as I'm home
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Wed, 10 March 2004 10:06
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Just leave them out the front, I wont take em But seriously, is this ok?
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Wed, 10 March 2004 10:08
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Yeah sure, I don't see why not...?
Let me know when you want to come and I'm sure we can arrange something.
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Wed, 10 March 2004 18:18
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thats not fair i wanna have a look as well
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Wed, 10 March 2004 20:45
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Im stunned! Mine are 42.795mm and that is measured with digital micro-meter. I thought that these all share same sized piston.
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Wed, 10 March 2004 22:57
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I have spoken about the weight of the Corona/Pug/Hilux combo in the past and it cheezes me a little to still hear people *complain* about it.....
So, I got some facts.
I weighted my original RA23 stock std struts complete as soon as they came off my car, and got 19kg on the bathroom scales.
I weighted the complete Pug/RT132/LN106 combo (with new Koni shocks and Lovells springs) just before they got bolted back in, and I got 21kg, a whole 2kg increase. (10.5%).
I know that we are not all budding Colin Chapman's here, but if weight (increase to unsprung weight specifically) is a major concern to you - don't modify your car !
You can look at getting lighter rims to recover the weight difference if you really are concerned by it.
If anyone can come up with a better braking power increase than this mod, for a cheaper price, please do it now. If anyone can find a lighter 4 pot caliper for cheaper than a hilux unit, that bolts in without any modifications to the mounting bracket, send me a pair !
The weight is relative to the rest of your suspension mods. I'm confident that the Koni's and Lovells are up to a 2kg increase.
Yes, Hilux calipers are heavier than two pots or single sliding units, but they would have to be - look at the performance increase you are getting. Modding is a compromise, and I think that this is a fair trade off in light of the better braking you get as a result. One drive of your car after this mod is done and you will wonder why you ever worried about it, and why you did not do it 10 years ago.
Mitch.
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Re: TA22 Peugeot/LN/XT130 Brake Conversion - started
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Wed, 10 March 2004 23:33
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Hehe, yes Mitch I remember making up my mind on my brake upgrade after the last time you got cheesed at me making a big deal about how "heavy" it all was
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