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Location: MELBOURNE
Registered: May 2002
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got my car dynoed
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Tue, 15 April 2003 09:42
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Got my gze sprinter on the rollers today and it pumped out 137.2 @ 7000rpm at the rear treads. I thought that wasn't bad. More importantly it feels great to drive. I'm still having a lot of issues with getting the thing to idle properly. Once the thing is run in I'm gonna bump the rev limiter up as it seemed like it wanted to go more.
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Location: Camden
Registered: July 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Tue, 15 April 2003 10:24
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Thats pretty darn good! What mods you got? Bigger pulley, Maybe a SC14?
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Location: N.S.W
Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Tue, 15 April 2003 10:37
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I take it was 137hp???
So like 100kw @ the wheels?
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Location: MELBOURNE
Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Tue, 15 April 2003 10:44
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No that's KW's. Head work, cams, oversize pulley, 2.5" mandrel exhaust, front mount intercooler and modded intake system.
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Location: Perth
Registered: July 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Tue, 15 April 2003 11:00
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Jeez that's pretty good!!
What's the cam specs?? Mods to the intake??
Is boost at 12 - 13 psi??
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Location: Camden
Registered: July 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Tue, 15 April 2003 11:49
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Nice work DAMO
good stuff
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Tue, 15 April 2003 14:15
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Now I am gonna cry
Congrats on your power figure
I got 82kw when i got mine dynoed. MAP gze with extractors, 2 1/4" exhaust, CAI and 175mm pulley
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Location: N.S.W
Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Tue, 15 April 2003 14:24
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82kw, that almost makes me cry too
I think it depends on the dyno
My mate had a ta22 celica with AFM GZE (108kw @ flywheel) and got 92.5 kw at the wheels. NO MODS
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Registered: February 2003
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Tue, 15 April 2003 23:55
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Those figures are all over the shop. 137kw sounds a little too good to be true to me. I have noticed a lot of dynos quoting different figures lately. About a month ago I was at a dyno day, where a car pulled 204kw. The next day on a different dyno the figure was 230. I suppose you can only ever compare with cars that are on the same dyno on the same day. What ever the case, that must be one seriously quick Sprinter.
Cal.
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Location: Cabramatta, NSW
Registered: May 2002
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Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Wed, 16 April 2003 01:14
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Shit...My 1UZ put out 127RWKW on a dyno here in the A.C.T a couple of months ago...and I'm told a Gen3 Commodore put out 133RWKW on the same dyno on the same day!
That is one serious GZE...
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Registered: February 2003
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Wed, 16 April 2003 01:23
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Does anybody know what sort of power losses one should expect from flywheel to wheels on a Sprinter? 30%?
Cal.
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Location: Eskilstuna, Sweden
Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Wed, 16 April 2003 01:38
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Well done Damian,
Your car must be almost finished now!...
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Location: sunny coast, qld
Registered: October 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Wed, 16 April 2003 03:35
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i don't think it would be 30% drivetrain loss for a manual sprinter. I have been told that jzz30 auto soarers lose 25%. so...
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Wed, 16 April 2003 04:13
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I have always heard FWD lose 22% through drivetrain, and 30% for RWD, me, well I lose about 50%
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Location: Madrid - Spain
Registered: August 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Wed, 16 April 2003 06:37
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Well done, I am sure it goes well regardless of the numbers. Either way it won't be long until your thinking you could do with some more. That is a sad but well known fact.
Shame your not in Sydney, you could bring it tot eh next Dyno day and compare on a level playing field.
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Banned member
Location: Brisbane
Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Wed, 16 April 2003 10:06
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Nark wrote on Wed, 16 April 2003 11:09 |
I'm sure your car puts out a lot of power, but I don't think it's THAT much! I think the dyno operators were playing silly buggers with you.
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why is it so hard to accept nark ?...when you want to compare a 1uzfe to a 1ggte the gear ratios tyres size and power losses from 2 different cars dont seem to mattter, when you want to compare two specific motors, i think your jealous because its not a 1ggte and its putting down a pretty fine amount of power
Nark wrote on Wed, 16 April 2003 11:09 |
I'm sure your car puts out a lot of power, but I don't think it's THAT much! I think the dyno operators were playing silly buggers with you.
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i think you play silly buggers all the time
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Location: MELBOURNE
Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Wed, 16 April 2003 10:40
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thanks guys, I'm really happy with the power it is pumping out, not just numbers on a stupid graph. It pulls hard. I know it's not the fastest car on the road but I'm happy with it which is all that matters. Why cant a GZE pull those sought of figures?? A few dollars have been spent on it let me tell you. 13 pound was about the boost level it got to. There is no reason why the dyno operator would be playing funny buggers as he didn't build the engine and he didn't need to prove it's worth, even he was quite surprised with the power it developed. I suppose I did have a reasonably low ambient temperature to help figures. Can any tell me why this thing will not idle below 2000 rpm? If you try to adjust the idle screw out on the throttle body it just dies. I have to have the idle screw fully in(Commodore throttle body). By the way I'm running a Haltech EMS.
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Location: Cabramatta, NSW
Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Wed, 16 April 2003 23:41
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Wayne, pull your head in and check the facts before you open your mouth. This doesn't even have anything to do with 1UZs and 1Gs. Geez, get over it!
Damo,
I'm just saying, if Yogi's 4A-GTE pulled 119kW on the dyno at 20psi, your 4A-GZE would be pretty magical to match that using 13psi, let alone beat it by almost 20kW!
Mick R's 4A-GTE also pulled 116kW at 16psi.
From your list of mods, I'm pretty damn sure your car hauls arse. I'm just saying I doubt that it's 137kW of arse hauling!
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Location: MELBOURNE
Registered: May 2002
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Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 01:22
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Hmmm...Reading that last post, methinks the dyno itself may be a little "out".
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 01:29
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where'd ya get it done Damo?? I want my car on that dyno
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Location: Cabramatta, NSW
Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 01:29
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Remember that the size of the turbo makes a big difference.
A T88 at 7psi will still flow shitloads more than stock turbos at 14psi, and thus make more power.
Much in the same way that a T28 turbo will make more power at 14psi than the SC12 at 14psi.
Headwork will also increase flow.
From your list of mods, I think the only thing that Yogi didn't have on his car was the cams. I'm pretty sure Mick's engine had slightly larger cams though.
I'm not trying to detract from your achievement, dude. I just find that figure a bit fishy.
Bring the car up to the next dyno day!
If you can pull 137kW, you'll be in with a pretty good chance to take home a trophy!
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Location: MELBOURNE
Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 01:35
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No it doesn't sound right. It was done at geelong tune ups. Take yours there ladysx and you to could have 137kw @ the wheels. Like I said before it doesn't really matter about numbers to me, it feels good to drive. Now if I could only get it to idle properly!!
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Location: Madrid - Spain
Registered: August 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 01:40
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Yeah some dyno tuners have been known to calibrate their dyno's to read on the high side of the truth. It makes them look great when someone makes an extra 20kW when they tune the cars.
Either way, If your happy and it's pulling hard, who cares. It will still whip most cars on the road.
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Location: sunny coast, qld
Registered: October 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 01:45
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don't bother comparing 2 different dynoes on 2 different days as it will never be accurate.
if you want to compare go to the drags and work out your terminal speed and weight in pounds.
HPat wheels= (MPH/234)^3 * (weight in pounds)
then multiply that figure by .8 because of wind resistance
eg. MPH=110 weight=2750
RWHP=228
good for comparing anyway.
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Location: Cabramatta, NSW
Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 01:59
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Yup! Take it to the drags!! And tell us what you get!
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Location: Melb
Registered: June 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 02:13
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Well done DAMO, where did u take it?
My GZE ke20 was dynoed at about 117kw at the wheels @7800rpm
It was done at BGT in Hawthorn.I don't think those figures are unatainable. certainly over 120 kws is possible.
Id post a pic of the dyno graph but im not sure how.
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Registered: February 2003
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 03:29
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Ruckus wrote on Thu, 17 April 2003 12:13 | Well done DAMO, where did u take it?
My GZE ke20 was dynoed at about 117kw at the wheels @7800rpm
It was done at BGT in Hawthorn.I don't think those figures are unatainable. certainly over 120 kws is possible.
Id post a pic of the dyno graph but im not sure how.
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What was it producing at 7000rpm?
Cal.
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Location: Melb
Registered: June 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 03:41
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105kw at 7000rpm.
Damo i know how u feel with the idleing thing.
I ran microtech on mine and it wasn't idling for months, had to have my foot on the gas at the lights etc.
All it needed was a lil tune of the computer, i presume things just change over time, cos i know it idled fine when i got it.
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Location: Melbourne
Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 03:51
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I so thought the GZE reached peak power at 6400rpm. Does the peak rise with mods?
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I supported Toymods
Location: I renounced punctuation
Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 04:05
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Lady SX, he's added cams and an overdrive. The cams, depending on their profile and adjustment, can alter where the power starts and ends. Also with a larger pulley, the charger is underdriven and so the peak efficiency of the supercharger may be at a higher engine rpm, and hence push peak power higher up the rpm. The Nevo boys will have a much better idea regarding this than me.
Damo, nice work. I'm a little skeptical, but only because I only got about 130 from 3 litres of NA 6.
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Location: MELBOURNE
Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 04:58
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Ruckus, did you also have problems with it stalling when it came down from high RPM. What sought of vac do you pull at idle. The tuner said it definately not in the tuning. I was gonna drive it up to the nationals but i need three feet to drive this bitch.
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Location: Brisbane, QLD
Registered: February 2003
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 05:35
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this might sound stupid but are you sure its not rwhp instead of the quoted rwkw?
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Registered: February 2003
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 06:14
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Mine is running about 9psi, a front mounted intercooler from a VR4 and Microtech. I got 90rwkw. It needs a tune. I am hoping to get 100 when it is tuned next week. I just can't imagine 4psi extra boost and cams making another 37kw. I suppose stranger things have happened. Have you got any photos of your car?
Cal.
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Location: MELBOURNE
Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 06:37
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Look I'm sorry if my quoted figures have offended you all. Maybe I read the graph wrong. Maybe it's 37.2 kw. Does that make you all feel better.
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Registered: February 2003
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 06:54
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DAMO wrote on Thu, 17 April 2003 16:37 | Look I'm sorry if my quoted figures have offended you all. Maybe I read the graph wrong. Maybe it's 37.2 kw. Does that make you all feel better.
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I for one am not offended. I just want to know how to get 137 out of mine. Now, how about those pics?
Cal.
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Location: sydney
Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 10:13
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why does everyone have to be sceptical of everyone's results and bag people out, a friend had his sprinter tuned and got 125kw at the wheels, 4agte t3 turbs nice cooler std 9-10psi. and i've seen this thing munch some cars on the road. mk4 tt supra to the list and some WRX's and the likes. this thing is a machine. nice balance.
cant help but sense that everyone thinks they are better than everyone coz there car has more power or is faster, so puttin me of the car scene lately. share your enthusiasm and not your big heads.
Damo, well done on the result... could be a number of variants with your result, but just remember as long as your happy with it, and u smoke a few people... who gives a rats!!
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Location: Perth
Registered: September 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 13:31
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I personally think his figure seems spot on..
What i dont get is howcome 4agte's arent much higher? Ive heard alot of people running 160rwkw with a 4agte etc.. Is this correct or too high a figure as well?
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Location: Gold Coast
Registered: January 2003
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 13:32
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i don't know if this is good, but my 4th gen got 71kw (96hp) @ the wheels (factory at the fly is 103kw brand new), with only a K&N pod filter, on a dyno dynamics, dyno that was in comptetion shoot out mode. and 104+ super octane booster with 3/4 tank of reguerler fuel (like 91octane). i'm going for min 75kw next time with 98octane and 104+ super in it, and advancing of timing by a bit.
Nezza
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Location: Gold Coast
Registered: January 2003
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 13:44
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and gen 3 V8 commodores make about 160-170kw at the wheels.
Nezza
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Location: Brisbane, QLD
Registered: February 2003
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Thu, 17 April 2003 15:13
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barbel wrote on Thu, 17 April 2003 18:13 | why does everyone have to be sceptical of everyone's results and bag people out, a friend had his sprinter tuned and got 125kw at the wheels, 4agte t3 turbs nice cooler std 9-10psi. and i've seen this thing munch some cars on the road. mk4 tt supra to the list and some WRX's and the likes. this thing is a machine. nice balance.
cant help but sense that everyone thinks they are better than everyone coz there car has more power or is faster, so puttin me of the car scene lately. share your enthusiasm and not your big heads.
Damo, well done on the result... could be a number of variants with your result, but just remember as long as your happy with it, and u smoke a few people... who gives a rats!!
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i think its just peoples experiences and knowledge telling them that somthing doesnt seem right so they question it. i'm sure most if not all would happily be proved wrong and that the car actually does put 137rwkw down
i seriously doubt jealousy or "putting" people down is the intention.
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Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Fri, 18 April 2003 01:26
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3S-GE_Man wrote on Thu, 17 April 2003 23:44 | and gen 3 V8 commodores make about 160-170kw at the wheels.
Nezza
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Obviously depends on the dyno, as the Gen3 tested on the dyno on which my car ran put out 133RWKW. I have heard that another Gen3 Commodore went across a dyno in QLD at 165RWKW...which means mine would have gone across that dyno at something like 150-155RWKW (This assumes that the two Gen3s in question were in similar states of tune).
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Location: Eskilstuna, Sweden
Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Fri, 18 April 2003 02:21
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I personally see no reason to doubt those power figures, Damo has posted in the forums in the past in relation to just how much work and effort he has put into the build up of the 4AGZE. It is not like he just dropped the thing in from a front cut and pulled that figure.
Hey Barbel, is that your car in your avatar?
Cheers
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I supported Toymods
Location: I renounced punctuation
Registered: May 2002
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Location: sydney
Registered: May 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Fri, 18 April 2003 02:58
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Youngy, yeah my car in the avatar.
Cyber-punk, thats exactly what i mean. why does he have to prove anything. if he's put the money and time into the motor/car then good for him.
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Registered: December 2002
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Re: got my car dynoed
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Mon, 19 May 2003 07:05
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Damo, can I ask where you got your engine work done in Melbourne?
I want that sort of power through my front wheels
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