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Honda S2000 Engine in ae86?
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Wed, 09 July 2003 10:11
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Sumone suggested it to me as a joke... which got me to thinking... can it be done?
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Honda S2000 Engine in ae86?
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Wed, 09 July 2003 10:17
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yes, there was one on a jap site but forgot the link.
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Wed, 09 July 2003 10:41
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Course it can be done - maybe an Altezza 3SGE would be a better idea though in some ways?
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Wed, 09 July 2003 10:45
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Phew good luck funding such a project.... what is a F20 front cut worth??
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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Re: Honda S2000 Engine in ae86?
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Wed, 09 July 2003 16:23
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ahh, doesn't the S2000 motor spin the other way to toyotas??
you'd need not only engine, but gearbox and diff as well.... pretty much a whole S2000 to transfer over... maybe find one that's been wrapped banana-like around a pole 
the S2000 motor doesn't make significantly more torque than other engines, just makes it in the 7-9000 rpm range rather than 4-6000rpm....
could be a fun project if you had the cash or a spare S2000 
Cya, Stewart
| _Why_ wrote on Wed, 09 July 2003 20:11 |
Sumone suggested it to me as a joke... which got me to thinking... can it be done?
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Re: Honda S2000 Engine in ae86?
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Wed, 09 July 2003 20:09
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That's what I thought.....Honda motors spin the other way....find a gearbox with 5 reverse gears!
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Re: Honda S2000 Engine in ae86?
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Wed, 09 July 2003 22:30
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It feels like Honda built their cars that way so freaks couldn't include their bits in our Frankenstein-like creations 
Its alive...ALIVE!!!!
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Wed, 09 July 2003 23:38
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They've used the S2000 g'box but they make no mention of diff...
Sure it'ld be fast and different, but can anyone else smell the money burning from that one? 
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Re: Honda S2000 Engine in ae86?
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Thu, 10 July 2003 02:24
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yeh well the joke come up coz someone was selling s2000 parts for a s2000 that had been wrapped around a tree... so ur spot on stu! ^_^
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Re: Honda S2000 Engine in ae86?
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Thu, 10 July 2003 02:30
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The F20C spins the same way as "normal" It's the first of the new generation Honda engines to do so.
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Re: Honda S2000 Engine in ae86?
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Thu, 10 July 2003 02:45
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Here in NZ an F20C was $9000 for engine & box in one of the wreakers.
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Thu, 10 July 2003 04:37
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what sort of kw do u think it would put out...
i mean an 86 wif a s2k engine...
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Thu, 10 July 2003 04:48
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oh wow! they do spin normal.. i bet that was just to stop all the fooly sik integra type R (but really not) boys from putting S2000 motors in their civics  i wonder why they went back to normal direction?? weird... something to do with the different dynamics of having a transverse vs longitudinal motor??
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what sort of kw do u think it would put out...
i mean an 86 wif a s2k engine...
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ummm, probably the same as it puts out in an S2000?
stock, the F20C is pretty much on the limit of it's performance, and has pretty high VE (at least high in the rpm range) so there is prolly not that much more to get from it.. and turboing it would defeat the purpose of the extensive NA tuning....
but on the other hand, (and from the torque thread, heh heh ) i'd rather be making my peak torque at 9000rpm than at 4000rpm.. stay in gears longer and make use of the gearing advantage..
if you can get the parts for a reasonable price, give it a bash!!... or would it fit in a KE1X corolla??? hmmmm
Cya, Stewart
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Thu, 10 July 2003 04:50
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LOL  looking up F20C info i came across this thread..
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread/t-70537.html
just read the first post... i'm so glad toymods doesn't have the likes of this 'import tuner status' guy
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Thu, 10 July 2003 04:53
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haha what a 'tard 
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Re: Honda S2000 Engine in ae86?
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Thu, 10 July 2003 07:22
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i have an article in a mag at home
ill scan it and post it
its a jap drag car with an F20C
pretty crazy!
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Re: Honda S2000 Engine in ae86?
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Thu, 10 July 2003 11:16
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I read that it cost them more to do the conversion than it was to buy a new s2000! 
All of the new Honda engines now spin in the normal direction regardless of it being mounted north-south or east-west.
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Re: Honda S2000 Engine in ae86?
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Thu, 10 July 2003 11:49
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The S2000 motor spins in the normal direction , I fitted a Vortex supercharger kit to an S2000 about 12 months ago , Running 9psi it made 200 RWKW but is not my sort of car to drive around town as It was very normal till about 5500 rpm then started pulling then when it hits about 7000 rpm it gets going pretty hard up to 9000 rpm , but for city driving it has no more pull than a 4AGE , I have a 3SGTE in my TA22 and it has heaps more low down pull than the S2000 and a hell of a lot more mid and high range power ( 260 RWKW ) So go 3SGTE !!! And it's a TOYOTA MOTOR !!!!!
Trevor
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Re: Honda S2000 Engine in ae86?
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Thu, 10 July 2003 14:04
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| oldcorollas wrote on Thu, 10 July 2003 14:48 |
but on the other hand, (and from the torque thread, heh heh ) i'd rather be making my peak torque at 9000rpm than at 4000rpm.. stay in gears longer and make use of the gearing advantage..
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Dude I don't know where the hell you are comming from with that statement!!
Would you not rather have the max amount of pulling power down low and relatively flat until redline so as to be able to get good acceleration from even down low in the rev range??
Shit If I had to wait until 9k rpm for max torque I would want that sucker of an engine to be spinning to at least 15k rpm!!
Or am I missing the point or something???
Anyone else see a problem with the above statement??
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Re: Honda S2000 Engine in ae86?
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Thu, 10 July 2003 16:44
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Best Motoring do actually do a roadtest on an AE86 with full s2000 running gear. (you can see it on volume four of the international series, part of the "Hot Version" section)
It's a real neat conversion, but Hattori sums it up by nearly crying laughing when he finds out what it cost, way more than a really tough r34GTR.....
I'm with Trev. Even a Beams 3sge.
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Sun, 13 July 2003 05:16
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welll. if you have a smallish engine (like 2L and under) and you have peak torque at 4000rpm, do you think you will have a flat torque curve to 9000rpm?? probably not.
what i should have said is that i'd rather have a 2-3000rpm range of peak torque from about 6500-8500, rather than 4000-6000, but i didn't really want to be that specific..
i was more referring to having a 'normal' motor that peaks early then dies off, compared to a more cammed motor, which peaks later.
if you habe the same torque at double the revs, gear it down half, etc etc...
also response will be much better at high revs than at low revs.. so......
i woulnd't want to have to drive to melbourne with it, but around sydney, i'd much rather have a high revving motor than a low rev grunter (and hey.. i do )
and staying in gear longer?? i can't count the number of times i've caned bigger cars thru first and second, as i go up to about 7500-8000rpm... while 'newer' cars seem to change around 5-6000.....
gimme a pm and we can go for a drive
Cya, Stewart
oh, and then again, just having been taken for a drive in a boxster S.. they look dainty but they have a whole lot of torque... and the 6spd lets you use it (and redline is around 7krpm..) but the german motors always seem to have a much flatter torque curve than japanese designed ones....
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| oldcorollas wrote on Thu, 10 July 2003 14:48 |
but on the other hand, (and from the torque thread, heh heh ) i'd rather be making my peak torque at 9000rpm than at 4000rpm.. stay in gears longer and make use of the gearing advantage..
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Dude I don't know where the hell you are comming from with that statement!!
Would you not rather have the max amount of pulling power down low and relatively flat until redline so as to be able to get good acceleration from even down low in the rev range??
Shit If I had to wait until 9k rpm for max torque I would want that sucker of an engine to be spinning to at least 15k rpm!!
Or am I missing the point or something???
Anyone else see a problem with the above statement??
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