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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Fri, 12 March 2004 08:21
 
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nah its not bullshit,
the car is probably just very light with very stiff suspension, not all cars squat when accelerating, they can be set up not to squat quite easily, its also moving, cars tend to squat more off the line than when you hit it while your moving.
the car behind actually speeds up too. if you count the white lines that are going past, you will find that you actually start counting quicker, ie the car behind is accelerating also.
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Fri, 12 March 2004 08:26
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ferrari f50 has fuck all squat when accellerating
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Fri, 12 March 2004 09:58
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I love this vid so much.
TOYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYOYOYOYOYO!@#
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Fri, 12 March 2004 11:42
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I'm surprised it didn't light up the rear wheels when they took off like that haha.
Wish my car moved that fast 
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Fri, 12 March 2004 12:10
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Does anybody have an idea of what is in the other sprinter in the movie? I find it a little bit unrealistic the sheer speed of which that thing gets up and goes 
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Fri, 12 March 2004 13:03
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600hp and 900kg. thats all you need to know
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Fri, 12 March 2004 13:03
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from what i gather, i think the sprinter which was behind was 4AGZE powered.
heresay tho.
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Fri, 12 March 2004 13:04
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nah not the 20b one the other one that is following?
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Fri, 12 March 2004 14:46
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thats the other thing..
600hp in 900kg, how are they getting ANY traction with street width tyres?? i guess if it was in 4th gear, then the multiplication is a bit less...
hmmmmm, 900kg car, 50/50 weight, say 600kg rear weight with weight transfer = 6000N downward force.
600hp, say it has around 600hp=450kw = 600Nm@7000rpm (just as a guess)
600Nm x 4 (for a 4:1 rear end) = 2400Nm
divide by 0.3m (tyre diameter is 60cm??) = 8000N at tyre contact
hmm, with sticky tyres giving friction coefficient of 1= 6000N of grip
8000N is going to fry 6000N of grip pretty easy... but i guess thats just peak power...
in any lower gear than 4th, traction is not an issue.. there just wouldn't be any 
hmm, anyways, just looks liek the vid is a little sped up.... i know of a coupel of digi video cameras that record a little faster than actual..... so maybe not intentional.. or is it REALLY that fast? (and does it have a T series Diff  )
Cya, Stewart
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Fri, 12 March 2004 15:05
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How about the tyre surface. Plus that isn't a stationary acceleration and there is motion already in progress. Acceleration is hard to calculate. Ground temperature. Tyre pressure. Gearing. I'd say that its still a real clip. I tend to believe what the japanese come up with and they ever failed in anything so far. Except a world war
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Fri, 12 March 2004 16:24
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i was rolling next to an older style holden a few weeks back thinking it was just a clean stocker............ car left me behind like in the vid (i wasn't givving the 2 hell but i wasn't acceling slow)  found out a few days later the engine in the cars a fairly worked v8 
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Fri, 12 March 2004 20:27
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Reminds me of a certain Lambo scene in the movie Cannonball Run...
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Sat, 13 March 2004 00:22
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its real. no speed up no bs.
the car behind is a 4agte
this was discussed over at club 4ag ages ago before the forums were upgraded
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Sat, 13 March 2004 02:59
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I think its real.
600hp 900kg.
Dont understand why its hard to believe.
The power to weight ratio is ridiculous.
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Sat, 13 March 2004 03:48
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fair nuff.
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Sat, 13 March 2004 07:11
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the lines on the road 'speed up' when the car speeds off... thats enough info for me...
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Sat, 13 March 2004 09:19
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its actually 600ps...
i thnk thats just a tad more (or less) than 600hp
i love watching that video
i show it to all my friends 
it takes about 5 seconds for the puff of blue smoke (to come out the exhaust) and the car to disappear from the camera view...
holy crap
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Sat, 13 March 2004 13:32
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The lines get quicker because the trailing sprinter is accelerating as well, u can see how it suddenly catches up with the truck on the left lane
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Mon, 15 March 2004 22:50
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is it just me or do two clouds of smoke start coming from the back of the car just before it pulls away?? that would mean it's real AND stuart is right, making everyone happy
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Sat, 20 March 2004 05:43
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| John K wrote on Sat, 13 March 2004 13:59 |
I think its real.
600hp 900kg.
Dont understand why its hard to believe.
The power to weight ratio is ridiculous.
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Yes it is ridiculous and so is the thought that the primitive chassis in an AE86 could put that power to the ground with no chassis reaction and accellerate at the speed that the video depicts. Apparently the 20B is powering a large winch that is connected to the tow hook of the '86, those Japanese tuners are so innovative. The three stooges audio is enough to discount it's validity.
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Sun, 21 March 2004 00:35
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| JZK25 wrote on Sat, 20 March 2004 16:43 |
| John K wrote on Sat, 13 March 2004 13:59 |
I think its real.
600hp 900kg.
Dont understand why its hard to believe.
The power to weight ratio is ridiculous.
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Yes it is ridiculous and so is the thought that the primitive chassis in an AE86 could put that power to the ground with no chassis reaction and accellerate at the speed that the video depicts.
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Do you really think that the chassis would be left standered.
Seriously think about it.
I've seen Jap work shops that spend more time on strengthening the chassis on cars then actual conversions.
I still think its real, but thats just my opinion.
My brother couldnt believe how I accelerated on the M5 the other day in my AE86 with 3SGTE, and I've got half the power of the 20b ae86 in the video.
"wass up nooooooowwww bitch!" LOL
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Sun, 21 March 2004 08:04
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there is not a shadow of a doubt in my mind that the video is fake
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Sun, 21 March 2004 08:39
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So you think that some portions of the video were put into faster speed then reallife would pertray?
IE - the acceleration part was made faster.
Personally , I wouldn't know , we don't know what else was done to the car , what tyres it was on , how much boost it was running or what speed it was taking off from.
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Wed, 24 March 2004 08:45
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anyone who has been to even a street meet at their local drag strip will realise pretty quickly that the attached video is not a true representation of how a car reacts to such acceleration...
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Wed, 24 March 2004 09:08
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| pro_ke wrote on Wed, 24 March 2004 18:45 |
anyone who has been to even a street meet at their local drag strip will realise pretty quickly that the attached video is not a true representation of how a car reacts to such acceleration...
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ive never seen drag cars take off from a rolling start at the strip, so how is that a true representation of how a car reacts when allready moving quickly? i dont think its any comparison at all.
my car squats when i launch it off the line, but it dosent if i plant my foot doing 100....
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Wed, 24 March 2004 12:26
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i'm rather undecided myself - but I have learnt that you can't be sure about ANYTHING in relation to quick cars ..
And a seriously engineered 20b turbo in an ae86 is going to be seriously fast..
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Wed, 24 March 2004 15:33
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whatever it is, its good entertainment.
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Thu, 25 March 2004 13:16
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Nah, I hate to tell you all, but it is shite. Looks good though. There is only so much power that can be put down small(ish) tyres.
An F1 car may accelarate that quick (and with minimal chassis movement), but not much else.
Mind you, if someone bought me a plane ticket and put me in the car, I'd be happy to be proven wrong ..........
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Thu, 25 March 2004 21:46
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They are on a highway right?, so they would be doing around 130k which is the limite or more.
mmmm not sure on this one
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Fri, 26 March 2004 00:37
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:shakes head:
People that think this video is bogus are the same that think the moon landing was bogus.
After seeing a few 9sec street cars on the hiway taking off from me at 100km/h they look just like that!
Todd's (rest in peace mate) Giocattolo was like that.
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Fri, 26 March 2004 02:41
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| wastegate wrote on Fri, 26 March 2004 11:37 |
:shakes head:
People that think this video is bogus are the same that think the moon landing was bogus.
After seeing a few 9sec street cars on the hiway taking off from me at 100km/h they look just like that!
Todd's (rest in peace mate) Giocattolo was like that.
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Enough said!
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Fri, 26 March 2004 05:54
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Someone just find the rest of the video and it'll all be good But I'm sticking to it being real, how exactly could you fake that?
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Mon, 26 April 2004 04:43
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exactly, and why would they wanna fake this video...?
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Mon, 26 April 2004 06:17
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where can i get the specs of the car from??
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Mon, 26 April 2004 11:26
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| lang wrote on Wed, 24 March 2004 20:08 |
| pro_ke wrote on Wed, 24 March 2004 18:45 |
anyone who has been to even a street meet at their local drag strip will realise pretty quickly that the attached video is not a true representation of how a car reacts to such acceleration...
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ive never seen drag cars take off from a rolling start at the strip, so how is that a true representation of how a car reacts when allready moving quickly? i dont think its any comparison at all.
my car squats when i launch it off the line, but it dosent if i plant my foot doing 100....
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that would be because your car does not have the power to weight that a modified 20B in an ae86 would produce
seriously unless that car has pre heated slicks at cruise and a perfectly set up rear end.......
actually there is no point arguing because of course you are all right! the ae86 can not be beaten!
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Mon, 26 April 2004 12:38
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drag cars might be set up to transfer weight to the rear under acceleration so they get more grip aka squatting, prove to me that THIS 86 is set up to squat under acceleration, infact just prove that ALL cars visibly squat under acceleration and i will believe you
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Mon, 26 April 2004 13:52
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I think the point your missing is how would you fake this video?
maybe the just flew a f-11 or something over the top with an attached rope? Think about it, if you reference everything in picture it would have to have been real, I don't see any cables tied to the front of the car.
And who resurected this thread anyway?
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Mon, 26 April 2004 14:10
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its not a fake, i can tell that its part of a clip from one of the jap option videos.
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Tue, 27 April 2004 00:30
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at this point, on the topic of jap bullshit, I'm tempted to bring up the topic of wound back odometers, but I wont
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Tue, 27 April 2004 05:29
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/me looks at pearl harbour....
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Tue, 27 April 2004 09:45
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edited.
just keep telling yourself its real...
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Tue, 27 April 2004 09:46
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| Intensevil wrote on Tue, 27 April 2004 15:29 |
/me looks at pearl harbour....
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I knew someone would brint that up.
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Tue, 27 April 2004 12:56
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of course i do realise that the current generation of japs and the war kamakaze guys who are now in their 70's and 80's are totaly different people.
For what reasons do u think its a fake? The car has freaking 600hp!!!! how is it so hard to beleive, and hes already moving before he plants it so traction isn't as much of an issue
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Tue, 27 April 2004 19:21
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Does anyone own the original video it is from and would do some dubs for dollars? Or can give exact info to what video and voume it is?
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Fri, 30 April 2004 05:11
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even the most basic video editing software will allow you to modify the frame rate... its not rocket science!
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Fri, 30 April 2004 05:24
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| pro_ke wrote on Fri, 30 April 2004 15:11 |
even the most basic video editing software will allow you to modify the frame rate... its not rocket science!
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just grow up and accept is real, some cars can do the 1/4 in 3.5 seconds i guess you wont believe that either
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/showthread.ph p?t=3280
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Fri, 30 April 2004 06:03
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IT IS REAL IT IS REAL IT IS REAL IT IS REAL IT IS REAL IT IS REAL IT IS REAL IT IS REAL IT IS REAL !!!!!!!
ae86 are teh bestest!
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Fri, 30 April 2004 06:07
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| pro_ke wrote on Fri, 30 April 2004 16:03 |
IT IS REAL IT IS REAL IT IS REAL IT IS REAL IT IS REAL IT IS REAL IT IS REAL IT IS REAL IT IS REAL !!!!!!!
ae86 are teh bestest!
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im glad to see we agree then
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Re: Whatever crap you can think of RE:rotaries and rocket cars and other shite WAS:Bogus 20B AE86 vi
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Fri, 30 April 2004 07:40
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now now...play nice
seriously, who cares? it has the desired effect
Can we not agree that a sprinter with a 20b would be fkn quick?
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Re: Whatever crap you can think of RE:rotaries and rocket cars and other shite WAS:Bogus 20B AE86 vi
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Fri, 30 April 2004 08:31
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| NickAE86 wrote on Fri, 30 April 2004 17:40 |
now now...play nice
seriously, who cares? it has the desired effect
Can we not agree that a sprinter with a 20b would be fkn quick?
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I agree that a sprinter with a 20b would be quick but I'm not going to go into the arguement of it being fake or not as it might be real but 600hp to 900kg sounds a bit funny for it not to have some sort of chassis movement but it could of been modified to cope with the power so don't know, does anyone know the size of the tyres? for one it would have major traction issues with small tyres, but man that sprinter moves! if its real
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Re: Whatever crap you can think of RE:rotaries and rocket cars and other shite WAS:Bogus 20B AE86 vi
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Fri, 30 April 2004 08:41
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It's not to hard to believe that it's real. I have seen lots of footage from japan and damm thay do some crazy shit. Including acclerating away from u like that.
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Re: is that 20B AE86 vid bogus??
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Fri, 30 April 2004 09:36
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| oldcorollas wrote on Fri, 30 April 2004 17:12 |
blah blah blah ... ad nauseum
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jeezus relax mate, my point was obviously lost on you.
if you need further clarification please pm me and i will explain
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Re: Whatever crap you can think of RE:rotaries and rocket cars and other shite WAS:Bogus 20B AE86 vi
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Fri, 30 April 2004 10:09
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Speeding up a video doesn't change the acceleration in reference to moving objects, only to objects that aren't moving.
In other words, that cars acceleration releative to the road, truck or scenery are all still the same as they would be in real life. So you can speed up the frame rate infinitely but the acceleration with respect to the truck will always be the same.
Note: A gradual increase would have exactly the same effect.
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Re: Whatever crap you can think of RE:rotaries and rocket cars and other shite WAS:Bogus 20B AE86 vi
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Fri, 30 April 2004 10:25
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| charliechalk wrote on Fri, 30 April 2004 20:09 |
Speeding up a video doesn't change the acceleration in reference to moving objects, only to objects that aren't moving.
In other words, that cars acceleration releative to the road, truck or scenery are all still the same as they would be in real life. So you can speed up the frame rate infinitely but the acceleration with respect to the truck will always be the same.
Note: A gradual increase would have exactly the same effect.
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that aint right. its from your point of reference, and your point of reference is in the other car (moving), if the car accelerates at a certain speed, and then you speed that video up, it would accelerate away faster, because your point of reference is the moving car.
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Re: Whatever crap you can think of RE:rotaries and rocket cars and other shite WAS:Bogus 20B AE86 vi
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Fri, 30 April 2004 10:28
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ie your in the back car going 100k's
your recording it
the car infront takes 10 seconds to get 1km up the road (example)
you take the video and double the speed of playback
you watch video
the car now takes 5 seconds to get 1km up the road ahead of your car which is still moving
this now looks like it takes 5 seconds to get 1 km up the road instead of taking 10 seconds. ie faster acceleration.
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