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Moving Stripped Cars Around
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Wed, 21 April 2004 05:22
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Folks,
I'm currently in the process of stripping my TA22 back and while I want to be able to take all the suspension components out, I still want to be able to move the car around.
One of the places I got some cylinder head work done near me has a project car in their workshop which is on some stands that have large castor style wheels on them. I thought this setup would be ideal until I went to the local supercheap and the castors they have are only load rated to 100kilos. That would mean I'd need 8? to be safe? I guess that if I use a large enough plank of wood under each end of the car then I could put the castors at the corners of the wood planks. Is this too dodgy? I don't have any welding gear so making up metal trolleys is beyond me at the moment... 
Does anyone had idea/tips/tricks to moving bare body shells around? Or is it something that once the wheels are off, it's stuck in one place...
Cheers,
Dan
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Northwestern Sydney
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August 2002
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Re: Moving Stripped Cars Around
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Wed, 21 April 2004 05:25
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you could use 4 of the car support stands (I've got 2 from supercheap) and put 4 casters on each stand. that would give you 1600kg.
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Perth, Western Australia
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December 2002
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Re: Moving Stripped Cars Around
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Wed, 21 April 2004 05:29
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You can buy castors rated to unbelievable loads, ask a supply shop for four to suit your application. Last time I bought castors to support 250Kgs, the were $40 each.
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Re: Moving Stripped Cars Around
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Wed, 21 April 2004 05:34
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Look up in the Yellow Pages under "bearings" - you will find some places that supply castor wheels. You can get some very flash ones rated to high loads for the price Clint was suggesting.
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Newcastle
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Melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: Moving Stripped Cars Around
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Wed, 21 April 2004 06:00
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Thanks guys!
I took GT's idea further and searched for "castors" in the online yellowpages. Turns out there's a place not far from home and they'll do 340kilo rated castors at $41+GST each...
I'm now amazed at how many places just specialise in castors and wheels...
Now to figure out how to attach them to the car. My thoughts were a hefty piece of wood bolted to the crossmember location at the front (the engine is out) and I hadn't really looked at the rear. I'm presuming there will be a suitable spot for a similar arrangement under the rear chassis rails...
Cool, I'm getting excited again 
Cheers,
Dan
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: Moving Stripped Cars Around
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Wed, 21 April 2004 12:59
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Another thing, is a TA22 that's a completely stripped shell really going to weigh that much anyway?
Could always steal a forklift 
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Re: Moving Stripped Cars Around
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Wed, 21 April 2004 13:01
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If you use timber make sure you use good unknotted stuff and brace it. You won't look cool if the timberframe work skews sideways with the car on it.
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: Moving Stripped Cars Around
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Wed, 21 April 2004 13:33
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even our local mitre 10 has a range of castors that rate from 10Kg to 100kg
also --- never under estimate the strength of the humble skateboard.
i used to use one to shift & steer fridges/freezers/washers around whenever moving house -made things so easy in tight situation plus they needed very few people to use - they're designed to take a fair bit of punishment - tho i'd avoid using a new deck unless it's owner is a wankr 
i reckon one under each jack-lifting point would be easy, and look so cool.
maybe attach a little post or box to get the chassis a bit higher?
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Melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: Moving Stripped Cars Around
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Thu, 22 April 2004 00:43
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I was a bit worried about the car shifting on the 'trolleys' which is why I thought I'd physically bolt them to the car. My plan was to use something like a roof beam say 6-8 inches wide by 1.5-2 inches thick and bolt it to the crossmember location at the front and another similiar piece bolted to the rear (in a location yet to be determined). With the castors attached to it via some decent coach screws I'm hoping its not going to cause problems.
I doubt the car does weigh very much with it completely gutted, but the mobile assembly still has to take my weight as well and be stable enough for me to be crawling around on the inside doing what needs to be done.
The castors should be turning up today so I'll see if I can post some pics of my success/failures.
Thanks again for the help
Cheers,
Dan
PS: I liked the skateboard idea, but I've always been a nerd and never owned one... and I think my wife gave hers away... oh well 
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Re: Moving Stripped Cars Around
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Thu, 22 April 2004 04:33
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If you don't have a welder, look at having a rectangular frame made up. I've always used the two front engine cross member points, and the two rear lower control arm points to determine the frame size - simply use a plumb to mark it on the ground to get your measurements. Then it's simply a matter of getting the castors welded on one side, and risers to the height you want on the other. The top end of the rear risers can then have a hole drilled in them to take the original lower controll arm bolt, while the fronts will need a flat bar section with matching engine cross member holes to bolt too, also.
Clint
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Re: Moving Stripped Cars Around
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Thu, 22 April 2004 05:03
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Hi Dan,
Good to see you up & about on the forums.
Could you utilize your "spares" vehicle (if you still have it) & just bolt in enought of the the suspension from there to get it movable... or do you need that car to be mobile too?
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Melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: Moving Stripped Cars Around
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Fri, 23 April 2004 02:16
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Hi Dave
Sadly the 'spare' celica went away a fair while ago and I didn't think to keep things like struts (they were rubbish off that car anyway).
I got the castors first thing this morning and they're very chunky items. I'll post photos shortly.
I really like the idea of a rectangular frame with risers bolting to the appropriate points. I'll have to pursue that one in the future because if it's done right then it will provide a mechanism for moving the other restoration projects around the place as well.
Cheers,
Dan
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Melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: Moving Stripped Cars Around
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Sun, 02 May 2004 03:06
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Folks,
I finally got around to assembling the pieces yesterday and so I thought I'd post some images. The beam is bolted directly to the chassis rail through a small piece of pine which is there because the chassis rail has a small flange running down the outside of it that the beam needs to clear. The bolts I used go right through the uprights and so the blocks are held tightly together. I can't detect any sideways movement in the assembly so it all seems fairly solid. Another option I'm yet to take is to perhaps brace the uprights to the bottom of the cross beam. Sadly the only one's I've got that are strong enough are too big!
Given I don't have the time or money to get the steel frame put together (which is the ideal), this will have to do for now.
Cheers,
Dan
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Lost in the K hole
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May 2002
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Re: Moving Stripped Cars Around
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Sun, 02 May 2004 04:20
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hrrrmmm.... looks, errr, stable??
maybe its just the pics, but i dunno if i'd trust that
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Melbourne
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Re: Moving Stripped Cars Around
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Sun, 02 May 2004 05:11
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Hmmm, yeah. That first photo in particular doesn't do it justice. It actually looks like its all falling over...
Perhaps I should have added something in there to show scale. The castors are 5" diameter which should give some indication of how large the wood blocks are. It is 50mm thick redwood.
When I move the car around the assembly doesn't deflect at all and I made sure it was solidly attached to the chassis (2 3/8" coach bolts on each side) and the uprights have 4 3/8" bolts running the whole height. It would take a fair bit to break them I think (I hope).
Cheers,
Dan
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Melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: Moving Stripped Cars Around
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Sun, 02 May 2004 05:52
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Just thought I'd add another shot
It moves around very well, even if the castors have in-built contankerous behaviour! I had no real trouble moving it in and out of the shed by myself even on the concrete slope.
Still, I won't be entering it in any grands prix
Cheers,
Dan
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Re: Moving Stripped Cars Around
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Mon, 03 May 2004 00:31
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It's gotta be good for parking though... just think of how easy it would be to fit into those tight spaces!
Or if you needed to do a whole heap of shopping, you have got 1 big shopping trolley there... may not fit down the isles at the local supermarket though..
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this is to find a bearing shop near you, not an actual bearing shop.