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1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Wed, 10 November 2004 08:09
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How do you go about it if its even possible, im sure i read some articles on it here a while ago
just a though because it looks like i may have bought a SW20 over here in NZ
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Wed, 10 November 2004 08:28
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I think theres a few guys in the US who have put 1MZ-FE's (v6) into MR2's but they come in a FWD setup (camry, avalon) and i think theyre titled to one side similar to the 3S/5S setup in the mr2. I dont know how well a 1UZ would take that, let alone if there would be enough space...
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Wed, 10 November 2004 08:31
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I think you might be asking the impossible. Unless you're extremely rich.
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Wed, 10 November 2004 08:54
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| Nark wrote on Wed, 10 November 2004 19:01 |
I think you might be asking the impossible. Unless you're extremely rich.
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Not true... you can do it if your not rich... you just have to be an engineering genious 
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Wed, 10 November 2004 08:58
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You can fit anything in anything with enough time and money, but on a scale of 1 to difficult, this is going to be difficult. For starters, where are you going to find a transverse gearbox to suit a 1UZ?
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Wed, 10 November 2004 09:05
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u make a 1uz fit without structural/body modifications and you are a magician.
while u are at it, try shoehorning a 2jz for fun 
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Wed, 10 November 2004 09:19
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| M.W.P. wrote on Wed, 10 November 2004 19:54 |
| Nark wrote on Wed, 10 November 2004 19:01 |
I think you might be asking the impossible. Unless you're extremely rich.
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Not true... you can do it if your not rich... you just have to be an engineering genious
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I disagree... You'd have to be a rich engineering genius.
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Toronto, Downtown
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Wed, 10 November 2004 09:20
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racingstrong engineering i think thats what its called has put a v8 into an aw11 so anything is possible.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Wed, 10 November 2004 09:22
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| 4agte wrote on Wed, 10 November 2004 17:20 |
racingstrong engineering i think thats what its called has put a v8 into an aw11 so anything is possible.
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There is a difference between putting a v8 into an sw20, and putting a 1uz into an sw20
The 1uz aint exactly annorexic
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Wed, 10 November 2004 10:47
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cccoooooommmmmeeeee onnnn Powerball win well it was just a thought
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Wed, 10 November 2004 11:22
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1UZFE in an SW20 NO WORRIES
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1 * SW20 MR2
1 * ZF Transaxle with appropriate bellhousing
1 * 1UZFE
4 * Angle Grinders
5 * Crazy Mates
8 * Cartons of Beer
Hey if holden can mount a 304 in an alfa sprint and call it a sports car then a 1UZFE in an SW20 isnt any more rediculous!!!
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Wed, 10 November 2004 12:13
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Haha, the funny thing is, if you were that way inclined, that is most of the stuff to get it working.  Will need a welder too.
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Wed, 10 November 2004 12:22
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Except for the one-upmanship factor of a 1UZ in an MR2, why would you want to do it ?
It will handle like a pig at every corner you get to, with that much weight out over the back.....a nice car to drag, if you can get enought traction, but you kill the MR2's sweet balanced handling......seems like lunacy to me
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Wed, 10 November 2004 12:23
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How much does a 3SGTE weigh in full trim with the turbo and all accessories?
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Wed, 10 November 2004 13:02
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| ra23celica wrote on Wed, 10 November 2004 23:22 |
Except for the one-upmanship factor of a 1UZ in an MR2, why would you want to do it ?
It will handle like a pig at every corner you get to, with that much weight out over the back.....a nice car to drag, if you can get enought traction, but you kill the MR2's sweet balanced handling......seems like lunacy to me
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Well there are a few things to note here..
The 1UZFE is MUCH lighter than a the stock motor...
The ZF transaxle will give you a better range of diff ratios and is stronger
The 1uzfe can be made to BOOT... Cruzidas 241 at the rear wheels NA is proof of such
You will not need to hire a six year old kid with small hands everytime you change a belt...
So money and time permitting.. It would be a VERY worthwile conversion
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Wed, 10 November 2004 13:43
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you forgot to mention what a lovely ZF transaxle is worth these days...
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Wed, 10 November 2004 13:55
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Bah, who cares? There is a REASON we haven't introduced money yet 
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Wed, 10 November 2004 21:30
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pity im still not in Australia or i think id have alot of crazy people to help me
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Toymods Vice President
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Thu, 11 November 2004 00:13
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Is the 1UZ really any wider than a 1MZ. I mean they are both 90 dgree V engines with 500cc cylinders made by Toyota right? I reckon they'd be pretty damn simmilar in terms of width. If this is the case then the only real problem I see with the conversion is finding a gearbox to go on the 1UZ. The 1MZ kind of fits up to the 3SGTE box and this is what has been used for that conversion however I have no idea how simmilar the patterns of the 1UZ and 1MZ are.
The engine bay in an SW20 is actually a pretty large space, it opens out a long way forward and back once you get past the engine cover. I guess you'll be running fairly short on bay width but the engine is only 4 1/2 cylinders long so I reckon it would fit.
This swap would really suit the lazy cruiser handling of the SW20 in my opinion.
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Thu, 11 November 2004 00:26
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Look up this:
V6 into SW20
The 97- 1MZ shares the same gearbox (if not even better) than the SW20 (except for the linkages being the other side)
So it will fit straight upto an SW20 box.
You will need to make up a drivers side engine mount & use the SW20 gearbox ones.
Use a pre 97 1MZ because the later ones don't have a return fuel line.
I don't think the 1MZ is 90 degrees, more like 60, otherwise it'd make it hard to fit in a FWD.
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Thu, 11 November 2004 00:39
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| wagonist wrote on Thu, 11 November 2004 11:26 |
I don't think the 1MZ is 90 degrees, more like 60, otherwise it'd make it hard to fit in a FWD.
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So it is. OK you will have issues fitting the rear bank of cylinders without cutting the firewall then.
I still think it would be very cool.
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Thu, 11 November 2004 00:57
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Oh yeah, the 1UZ would be uber cool.
But I still think the 1MZ would be up there.
Dunno if the 1UZ is longer than the 1MZ due to the extra 2 cylinders, so length could be a problem.
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Thu, 11 November 2004 09:42
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we shall see what the future holds
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Thu, 11 November 2004 10:16
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Bahf. Ye of little imagination. What about putting the engine in the FRONT. Oh, and then adding the needed significant bonnet bulge for clearance 
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Thu, 11 November 2004 10:59
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Nah fellas if your gonna go to the trouble of fitting a 1uzfe mount it in the back still but mount it north-south instead of transverse...
You have four gearbox options
1 zf transaxle (expensive but strong) Bellhousings available
2 Renault turbo Transaxle (Cheaper but will still hold 400hp) Has . been bolted to a 1uz before
3 Porsche 901 905 or G50 Trans with porsche 914 linkages (has been . bolted to 1uz's before exptremely strong and extremely expensive
4 Saab 5000 Turbo box Dont laugh (Usually in a north south . configuration for front wheel drive) If you flip the gearbox over . will be in the right spot but will be a bit of fucking around.. . Have seen this box mounting a 308 mid mount in a buggy very . strong box.
To be honest even though it seems like more F(*King around mounting it this way will probably give you less hassle in the long run... Yyou will need to be handy with an angle grinder however...
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Thu, 11 November 2004 12:06
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| stark wrote on Wed, 10 November 2004 22:22 |
1UZFE in an SW20 NO WORRIES
Needed
1 * SW20 MR2
1 * ZF Transaxle with appropriate bellhousing
1 * 1UZFE
4 * Angle Grinders
5 * Crazy Mates
8 * Cartons of Beer
Hey if holden can mount a 304 in an alfasud sprint and call it a sports car then a 1UZFE in an SW20 isnt any more rediculous!!!
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Holden didn't mount the 304 into the alfa sprint. They just sold the motors to the Caloundra man that built the car
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Thu, 11 November 2004 12:24
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Holden didn't mount the 304 into the alfa sprint. They just sold the motors to the Caloundra man that built the car[/quote]
Bah was still a big heavy holden motor in a teenie italian shopping trolley 
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Thu, 11 November 2004 12:50
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| Joshstix wrote on Thu, 11 November 2004 11:13 |
Is the 1UZ really any wider than a 1MZ. I mean they are both 90 dgree V engines with 500cc cylinders made by Toyota right?
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Wrong dude the MZ seriex of v6 engines are 60 degree v6's and are a lot narrower than the 1uz which is 90 degrees... Although the 1GZFE v12 is a 50 degree motor
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Thu, 11 November 2004 13:04
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| stark wrote on Thu, 11 November 2004 23:24 |
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Holden didn't mount the 304 into the alfa sprint. They just sold the motors to the Caloundra man that built the car[/quote]
Bah was still a big heavy holden motor in a teenie italian shopping trolley [/quote]
True, but you'd still shit ya pants in the forwards, sideways and braking movements
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Thu, 11 November 2004 13:09
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| stark wrote on Thu, 11 November 2004 23:24 |
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Holden didn't mount the 304 into the alfa sprint. They just sold the motors to the Caloundra man that built the car
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Bah was still a big heavy holden motor in a teenie italian shopping trolley
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True, but you'd still shit ya pants in the forwards, sideways and braking movements
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Thu, 11 November 2004 15:25
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At this point, I'm only going to mention two words: Todd Wilkes.
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Thu, 11 November 2004 21:50
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Todd wilkes !?! WTF mate !?! and i don't care about some stupid Italian trolley with a craped and claped out holden engine in it so stop bickering like kids
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Thu, 11 November 2004 23:27
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Wasn't he the guy that took on willowbank the wrong way. The sun, the glare, not able to judge the distance and over 270kph not a good recipe.
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Thu, 11 November 2004 23:28
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While your at it what about a 1UZ in a AW11?
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Thu, 11 November 2004 23:35
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| The Wombat wrote on Fri, 12 November 2004 08:50 |
Todd wilkes !?! WTF mate !?! and i don't care about some stupid Italian trolley with a craped and claped out holden engine in it so stop bickering like kids
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Sorry about the highjacking. But IMO if you throw a gas-axe, a grinder, hammer, welder and money at it it'll fit. Personely a v6 would be a shit load easier, front wheel drive and all. Then twin turbos.........
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Fri, 12 November 2004 00:00
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| CrUZsida wrote on Wed, 10 November 2004 20:22 |
| 4agte wrote on Wed, 10 November 2004 17:20 |
racingstrong engineering i think thats what its called has put a v8 into an aw11 so anything is possible.
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There is a difference between putting a v8 into an sw20, and putting a 1uz into an sw20
The 1uz aint exactly annorexic
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That north star doesnt look that small either  but it was originally an east west FWD engine and hes using the original auto box as well
Still is a beast
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Fri, 12 November 2004 00:06
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It's been done...do a search on the MC8R raced at Le Mans
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Fri, 12 November 2004 00:06
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| stark wrote on Thu, 11 November 2004 21:59 |
Nah fellas if your gonna go to the trouble of fitting a 1uzfe mount it in the back still but mount it north-south instead of transverse...
You have four gearbox options
1 zf transaxle (expensive but strong) Bellhousings available
2 Renault turbo Transaxle (Cheaper but will still hold 400hp) Has . been bolted to a 1uz before
3 Porsche 901 905 or G50 Trans with porsche 914 linkages (has been . bolted to 1uz's before exptremely strong and extremely expensive
4 Saab 5000 Turbo box Dont laugh (Usually in a north south . configuration for front wheel drive) If you flip the gearbox over . will be in the right spot but will be a bit of fucking around.. . Have seen this box mounting a 308 mid mount in a buggy very . strong box.
To be honest even though it seems like more F(*King around mounting it this way will probably give you less hassle in the long run... Yyou will need to be handy with an angle grinder however...
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How exactly do you plan on moving the rear wheels back enough to be able to get the hubs to line up with the output flanges on a north south transaxle? The engine will just fit in the bay north south in my opinion but that would have the gearbox flange hard against the rear firwall wich is already behind the axle line. You also only have about 70 cm's to fit a transaxle in behind the engine like this.
It's a far more likely thing that the engine will fit east west with an adapted front wheel drive gear box.
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Re: 1UZ-FE into a SW20
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Fri, 12 November 2004 00:13
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Yep this is what an MR2 looks like when you run a north south engine with a transaxle.
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Fri, 12 November 2004 00:23
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| towe_001 wrote on Fri, 12 November 2004 00:04 |
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Holden didn't mount the 304 into the alfa sprint. They just sold the motors to the Caloundra man that built the car
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Bah was still a big heavy holden motor in a teenie italian shopping trolley [/quote]
True, but you'd still shit ya pants in the forwards, sideways and braking movements[/quote]
The car in question was called a Giocattolo (Italian for "toy") and I believe there were only 14 built. The Alfa Sprints had the whole rear cut out to make way for the Holden Group A V8 (from the then-new Walkinshaw Commodore Group A) and a ZF transaxle, mounted longitudinally. The engineering was done by a man named Barry Lock, who was once an F1 designer with McLaren so he knew his stuff. The engineering and fabrication on these cars was beautiful, these were truly hand built supercars for their day (1989).
How do I know all this? When I was in Year 12 in 1989 on the Sunshine Coast, I did a week of work experience there. Unfortunately they were going bust at the time and closed down for good not long after. I did have the privelege of being a passenger in one that was being test driven very hard by the manager there one day. (I was about 6 months away from my licence, dammit!) The handling, braking and acceleration of the car were phenomenal, and I was scared witless and having a ball at the same time! The induction roar of the V8 right behind my head was spine tingling.
Believe me, this is not a car that anyone should be knocking. OK, back to topic now!
-Matt
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Fri, 12 November 2004 00:25
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You should do some research and appreciate a bit of history regarding Todd Wilks, may he rest in peace.
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