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June 2004
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New Zealand
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Wed, 24 November 2004 02:09
 
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Biggest issue I can think of is panel damage. Even a small tap in the front there is very little to absorb the impact before you start getting structural damage. At least with a car front panels are pretty easy to replace.
Callum
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Castle Hill
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August 2003
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Wed, 24 November 2004 02:13
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what about the centre of gravity? Wouldnt it be heaps likely to tip on its side? Or are they alright it you drop them as low as possible? you could do a custom roof chop to bring down its centre of gravity? who needs visibility!
Id say do it!
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Perth
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July 2004
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Wed, 24 November 2004 02:14
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you have my attention!
hehe. interesting idea.
cut the roof off and weld support barage and somekinda better thing on there.
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Rosanna, Melb
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June 2002
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Wed, 24 November 2004 02:23
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I think the centre of gravity in most vans is suprisingly low when empty. The roof is just sheetmetal.
I've seen a British Transit van in some DVD which had huge power (Cosworth turbo motor) and handled really well, so it can be done. But a friend has a mega dumped Kombi van and apparently that played havoc with his suspension geometry and handling.
There's plenty of room under the floor in those vans, but not much under the front seats where the engine sits, so some custom body work may be required to fit the engine and all associated junk.
The main problem would be all the custom stuff needed as no-one would have done this before. And the seating and steering wheel position could be a little hard to drift with.
But give it a go and see how it turns out.
Hen
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Tassie
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October 2003
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Wed, 24 November 2004 02:56
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I think kombi vans is rear suspension is the reverse of other setups. When the rear squats down on most cars the inside of the rear tyres have contact. But when Kombi vans squats it's the outside of the rear tyres that has contact. that is why they are prone to roll overs at high speeds.
This was never used for track work it was mainly just a show car. But there was a van down here that had a 502ci V8 mounted right in the middle of this Mits express van. The guy who owned used to take it to car shows and do burnouts.
There is also a van driving around here with a 350 chev in it.
None of these are meant for high speed driving tho.
I've got a van with a busted motor waiting for me to do something with it so if it works ok for you it would inspire me i recon
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Wed, 24 November 2004 03:17
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"chop" below the windows
then "chop" the roof.
if done right would look interesting (ie normal car height), and would lower CG a bit.
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Tassie
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October 2003
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Wed, 24 November 2004 03:27
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Have u seen truck racing u would think they would have a high centre of gravity but because all the heavy stuff is down the bottom (like a van) it shouldn't make any difference.
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Perth
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September 2004
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Wed, 24 November 2004 04:33
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anything can be done with enough money..
why does it have to be a sr thou haha.. cause they fetch a premium before race wars you know 
a nicely built gte would be lighter and is smaller ie: would be easier to mount under the seat
i doubt you'd need to chop the roof to lower CG, you would probably need to take the leaf springs out (which i think you said would be done anyways) and maybe (thinking outloud) welding up something like ma70 / ga70 irs (irs ok for drift?)
thennnn im guessing you'd need to brace the chassis a bit..
no point lowering the seat, as you wont have full visablity, so your better off high mounting a cobra or something.. then theres the sh*te steering wheel setup..
i say, dont bother but im sure its been done somewhere hahahaha
then you need the 7 foot carbon fibre wing to look cool, so you have to watch out when u go under ped. bridges 
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Newcastle
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June 2004
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Wed, 24 November 2004 09:27
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I think it would be interesting.
As for the seating position being over the front wheels, i found that you recieve a surprising amount of information as to where the rear of the van is facing - because it pivits from where you are sitting.
But an SR20 would be only a suggestion. Heaps of torque, easy power....
bracing would have a large impact on the way the car handled and the position of the cage would be a design challenge as to get the lowest centre of gravit.
Persex window and maybe fibre glass roof inserts may accomdate the problem of top heavyness, but as someone said, vans aren't to bad empty. Wider track would help with roll prevention.
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Newcastle
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June 2004
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Wed, 24 November 2004 09:40
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Perth
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July 2004
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Wed, 24 November 2004 09:45
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fooly sic bro
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Location:
Perth
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September 2004
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Thu, 25 November 2004 02:50
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you'd want to know how to drift well before you tried drifting a van hahaha i can picture it now.. you`ll get 1/2 way round a corner loose too much wheelspin/power whilst still in full lock, back wheels grip and send you into a wall.. can you say yes please insert my head into the A pillar.. 
im guessing van's would be hell beefy in the front for accidents on the road, but damn, i wouldnt want to test it 
it'd be funny to watch, and you'd prolly get sponsors for tyres and shi*e really easy cause everyone would know you and its unique, and you have lots of room for stickers
and yeah as sum1 said, it would be easy to judge the angle the van is at sitting over the front wheels, and the longer the van the more likely it will love just hanging out there and be easier to control...
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I supported Toymods
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sydney.au
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August 2002
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Thu, 25 November 2004 23:45
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we all know those sprinter vans can do "foolysik dorifto"
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1st street on the right
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November 2002
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Sat, 27 November 2004 00:33
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Sat, 27 November 2004 00:45
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hahahahaha!
priceless, it resurfaces yet again!
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October 2003
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Sat, 27 November 2004 01:43
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anyone who's been to a few drift meets in adelaide would be able to tell you that JMS has a hiace with nos that has been drifted on regular occasions! 
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Location:
Melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Sat, 27 November 2004 02:47
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I think the main problem you're gonna have is weight.
http://toyota-africa.com/showroom/tmc_hiace/specs. html
These things aren't light. I dunno how much weight you can get rid of by removing stuff, but I think you'd be better off going with a 1JZ-GTE or 2JZ-GTE powerplant over a SR20. Perhaps if you're worried about room, a 13B or 20B.
Seems like a pritty silly idea to me, but I guess that's half the appeal.
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Newcastle
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June 2004
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Sat, 27 November 2004 05:31
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love it.
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Location:
brisbane
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October 2004
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Mon, 29 November 2004 14:39
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if u were a bored millionare maybe
it would look nuts drifting tho!
iv seen some crazy japs drifting similar vehicles
but ill stick to sprinters, silvias, rx7's for driftin
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Madrid - Spain
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August 2002
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Tue, 30 November 2004 02:33
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One of the F1 teams I think mclaren did a van based on a F1 chassis/drivetrain. Can't remember where I saw the pics though.
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Baulko Hillo
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April 2004
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Tue, 30 November 2004 03:27
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One of the F1 teams I think mclaren did a van based on a F1 chassis/drivetrain. Can't remember where I saw the pics though.
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Yeah, that thing was freakin' nuts. I have a magazine article about it somewhere.
You could get it in GT1 or 2.
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Eskilstuna, Sweden
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May 2002
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Wed, 01 December 2004 03:16
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The article I have is a Renault Van with a Renault (an older one of course) F1 motor in it.
Cheers
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: Is this a crazy idea...would it work.?
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Wed, 01 December 2004 03:39
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Renault Espace F1. Basically built an enlarged F1 chassis around the van body. It's stuffed in some museum now, although apparently it was f'ing quick around a race track
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