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I supported Toymods
Location: Sydney, NSW
Registered: February 2004
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20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Tue, 26 October 2004 13:38
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hey i own a AE82 with a 4AGE 16valve in it.
i just purchase some 4AGE 20valve extractors..
if i install these into my car.. will they aid in my performance.. and if so.. by how much?
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Location: Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered: January 2003
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Tue, 26 October 2004 14:02
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at least 5kw per sticker...
what other things have you done?
do you really think the 20V extractors look that much better?
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I supported Toymods
Location: Sydney, NSW
Registered: February 2004
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Tue, 26 October 2004 14:04
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5kw per sticker?? wotsa sticker
i have pod filter, 2 inch str8 through
recon engine
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Location: Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered: January 2003
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Tue, 26 October 2004 14:24
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sticker = sticka (is that how you'd spell it?)
with basically no mods (exhaust and pod filter hardly count here), i doubt very much that the 20V extractors will give you any gain whatsoever. have you read any of the many guides on 4AG's around the net? the stock extractors are good for X?kw, and only above that is it worthwhile changing.... (or so ppl say)
but if you insist on changing them, see how it works for you..
Cya, Stewart
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I supported Toymods
Location: Sydney, NSW
Registered: February 2004
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Tue, 26 October 2004 14:28
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so whats a sticka or sticker??
i was tld that the extractors will help me heaps...
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Location: Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered: January 2003
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Tue, 26 October 2004 14:38
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Adam_Rolla wrote on Wed, 27 October 2004 00:28 | so whats a sticka or sticker??
i was tld that the extractors will help me heaps...
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omg..
from www.dictionary.com
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1. One that sticks, as a gummed or adhesive label or patch.
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basically a gummed or adhesive label that you put onto something.. and usually has words like HKS or TRD printed in bright colours... each gummed label is worth (at least) 5kw
this car has about 200 extra kw, just from this angle alone
who told you that the 20V extractors are much better than 16V extractors on a stock motor?
maybe they wee just 'having you on'
Quote: | I'm only pulling your leg! It's a joke! I'm not him! I'm just having you on (Life of Brian; writing credit: Graham Chapman; John Cleese)
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(from http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definiti on/english/ha/having.html )
Cya, Stewart
ps, big cams and aftermarket computer will help heaps.. turbo will help heaps.. either set of good extractors will make little difference..
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I supported Toymods
Location: Sydney, NSW
Registered: February 2004
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Location: Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered: January 2003
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Tue, 26 October 2004 14:52
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fair enough it's late and all and no-one else replied (mostly because a quick search would give you an answer.. ie look at Bill sherwoods 4AG pages to start with)
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do you really think the 20V extractors look that much better?
with basically no mods (exhaust and pod filter hardly count here), i doubt very much that the 20V extractors will give you any gain whatsoever. have you read any of the many guides on 4AG's around the net? the stock extractors are good for X?kw, and only above that is it worthwhile changing.... (or so ppl say)
who told you that the 20V extractors are much better than 16V extractors on a stock motor?
maybe they were just 'having you on'
ps, big cams and aftermarket computer will help heaps.. turbo will help heaps.. either set of good extractors will make little difference..
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nahh, i didn't give any suggestions at all
and at least you fixed the speeling in that last one
just go look at Bills page...
and who said i was experienced?? see my sig?
Cya, Stewart
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Location: Adelaide, SA
Registered: May 2002
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Tue, 26 October 2004 15:08
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On a bommodore you'll see big gains from extractors... thats because they have really shit factory manifolds. On a jap car, the exhaust manifolds are actually designed instead of slapped together from slag left over from making the engine block, which was probably also made from slag.
Anyway, as old corollas suggested there are more gains elsewhere... But this is still a step on the way to better performance!
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Location: Montrose, VIC
Registered: May 2002
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Tue, 26 October 2004 15:23
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Adam_Rolla wrote on Wed, 27 October 2004 00:28 | so whats a sticka or sticker??
i was tld that the extractors will help me heaps...
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Some people really DO parody themselves without even knowing it!
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I supported Toymods
Location: Sydney, NSW
Registered: February 2004
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Tue, 26 October 2004 15:32
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well i will buy them
for $100, i think that its a bargain?? wouldn't u agree?
4-2 on the primary extractors for $100 good deal yes?
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Location: sydney
Registered: July 2003
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Tue, 26 October 2004 21:41
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it's up to u dude, but i think the point that was tryin to be made is that extractors on a standard ge aren't worth it. i've heard this is the case for ge engines up to 180 hp
jDIK
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: August 2003
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Tue, 26 October 2004 23:21
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If they're just the factory 20v extractors, then $100 is a rip off.
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Location: Montrose, VIC
Registered: May 2002
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Tue, 26 October 2004 23:56
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I'll back that, they're not particularly good looking things at all, and by the time you pay someone to adapt them to your exhaust, all for the purpose of gaining nothing, why bother? If you do it, make sure that you can't 'feel' the difference, won't you..
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Banned User
Location: sydney
Registered: November 2004
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Fri, 07 January 2005 11:13
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I dont think that you can feet it in cun you ?
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Location: nelson, new zealand
Registered: October 2004
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Fri, 07 January 2005 11:46
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actually the 20v ones are better than the 16v ones, and you prob will get an improvement, wether its enough to feel "seat of the pants" is another thing.
to fit them u need to file out the 2 outer holes a bit.
the other thing u could is keep the 16v ones and extend the secondarys to 500mm that sbeen shown to make an improvement
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Location: Sydney
Registered: December 2004
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Sat, 08 January 2005 13:13
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not worth it unless you've done mods
stock manifold is good for upto 180HP (4AGE's came with around 120HP-40HP)
unless you've got cams, high comp pistons. all it will do is change the exhaust note slightly making you think its faster
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Location: Adelaide
Registered: December 2004
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I Supported Toymods
Location: south Melbourne/KL
Registered: June 2004
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Sun, 09 January 2005 08:33
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isnt a car considered unroadworthy without the cam covers? how is it suppose to look kickass with the covers on
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Location: Sydney
Registered: December 2004
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Sun, 09 January 2005 08:42
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b1gb3n wrote on Sun, 09 January 2005 19:33 | isnt a car considered unroadworthy without the cam covers? how is it suppose to look kickass with the covers on
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cam covers? (yes i'd think so.. oil would be spitting out and you'd lose pressure too)
or timing belt cover?
nothing wrong with having the timing belt cover off. i'd say its better too as you can see if the belt has snapped and monitor its condition
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I Supported Toymods
Location: south Melbourne/KL
Registered: June 2004
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Sun, 09 January 2005 09:23
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ya i meant cam GEAR covers ie timing belt cover. i think its illegal to do so. pretty sure. but ya looks cool without the covers id say.
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Location: nelson, new zealand
Registered: October 2004
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Sun, 09 January 2005 20:13
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not a good idea to run with out cam covers.... you run the risk (very real risk) of getting a stone or something jammed in the belt. if you fell you must do that make sure you take off the bottom cover aswell, or else if just fills up with dust and crap and will eventually jam ya belt.
for all intenst and purposes the 20v extractors are a direct fit to the 16v, a little filing is all thats needed. however they may not bolt straight up to the rest of the system.
they will not in any way harm performance, but no one can really say how much it will help, if any meassurable amount. for $100 id do it. if you can get the blacktop ones.
if looking elsewhere in the exhaust for an improvement, look at the section that goes over the cross memeber......
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I Supported Toymods
Location: south Melbourne/KL
Registered: June 2004
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Sun, 09 January 2005 22:14
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started a thread few months back about cam gear covers and if im not mistaken bill sherwood was the one who was driving without it for years. if i keep mine off i might get 180HP on my 4age like bill
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Location: nelson, new zealand
Registered: October 2004
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Sun, 09 January 2005 22:17
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hahaha
yeah you may never have a problem. but its still a risk...
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Location: Adelaide
Registered: December 2004
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Sun, 09 January 2005 22:18
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I dont know about the legalities but when I change my timing belt in a week or two the covers wont be going back on.
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I Supported Toymods
Location: south Melbourne/KL
Registered: June 2004
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Sun, 09 January 2005 22:41
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How did we go frm extractors to cam gears?
its a pain puting cover back on on FWD 4age.
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Location: Somewhere on a dirt bowl ...
Registered: August 2004
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Re: 20 valve 4age extractors on a 16valve 4age, good or not?
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Mon, 10 January 2005 16:58
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I don't know but how about going back to sticker performance
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Location: Sydney
Registered: November 2004
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