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5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Mon, 21 February 2005 11:32
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MA61..
just finding out wat troubles i might encoutner along the way.. how long do u think it would take to do if i worked on it full time.. like from the start of the day to late at night.. the most time consuming part? 5ME clutch and fly will compatable with 5MGE??
Cheers Nick
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Mon, 21 February 2005 12:03
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meeeh its easy, but better off to get a 7m-ge and you could run that off the 5m-e ecu (done it with a 6m-ge dont see why a 7m-ge would be any harder) 7m-ge's are more common in availabity and free status.. get a few shaged freebies and throw a good one together.
Allan
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Mon, 21 February 2005 14:10
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Why would you want to hobble a 7M-GE with a piece of crap like the 5M-E ECU? Sure it would work to a point, but the VE curve of the two engines wouldn't even be close so it's far from ideal. The 7M-GE engine management is quite simple, you'd be much better off swapping that in.
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On Probation
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Hobart
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December 2004
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Mon, 21 February 2005 21:28
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i just want to put in a 5MGE because its bloody simple and now that uni has started i don't want to have my car off the road for months and months on end, plus i have heard that the 5MGE convertion is straight forward and i want to upgrade from the 5ME for obvious reasons. Eventually i will get a turbo supra engine but for now.. i am in the learning process!! but still neither of u have advised me on my actual project!! anyone else got nay info ??
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Mon, 21 February 2005 23:53
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the 5m-ge is easy attach the loom from your 5m-e to the 5m-ge, depending on what the 5m-ge come from maybe modify the dizzy and add an idle up valve.
re norbie: i would not bother with the 7m-ge loom as its a stop gap measure till he fully upgrades thus would do it as cheap and nasty as possable
Allan
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On Probation
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Hobart
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Tue, 22 February 2005 00:18
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so is that my only hurdle ??
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May 2002
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Tue, 22 February 2005 01:31
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yeah its about as easy as it gets
Allan
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On Probation
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Hobart
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Tue, 22 February 2005 05:13
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so how long u reckon it will take... and i know its a kind of how long is a piece of string Q but i mean if i spent all day and nights doing it. i am aiming at less than 1 week? does that sound like a good time alocation or wat ?
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On Probation
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Hobart
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December 2004
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Tue, 22 February 2005 05:13
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As i asked before is the 5ME clutch and fly adaptable ot the 5MGE ?
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I Supported Toymods
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Lwr Templestowe, Melbourne
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August 2004
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Tue, 22 February 2005 06:48
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Yes. I'm still using my 5me fly and a 4puck on my 7mgte.
Time allocation wise, I've got no clue. But these things always take longer than you think it will.
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On Probation
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Hobart
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December 2004
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Tue, 22 February 2005 07:36
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i will buy the engine and just doodle around wiht it for a while cleaning it up ETC ETC just wanky shit u do whenu get an egine, then come hte time i will pull the 5ME out swap the 5ME clutch/Fly to the 5MGE then bolt her in and wire her up, is there the same wires and other eletrical peices the same to wire up or am i gunna hit a brick wall there aswell!!
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Tue, 22 February 2005 10:57
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I am currently doing the same swap and the only problems so far is with the power steering hose needing to be lengthened and a new intake from afm to throttle body being made. But if you can fix these and you have a couple of friends you could probably do the swap in a weekend or 3 days.
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February 2003
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Tue, 22 February 2005 12:33
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if you are competent and work all day and all night it shouldn't take you more than a couple of days. its a piece of piss upgrade. just try not to break anything.
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On Probation
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Tue, 22 February 2005 13:04
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i think yer supra has inspired me!!
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Victoria, Australia
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July 2004
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Tue, 22 February 2005 14:14
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| Allan wrote on Mon, 21 February 2005 23:03 |
meeeh its easy, but better off to get a 7m-ge and you could run that off the 5m-e ecu (done it with a 6m-ge dont see why a 7m-ge would be any harder) 7m-ge's are more common in availabity and free status.. get a few shaged freebies and throw a good one together.
Allan
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Hello
I have one question: I plan to do an upgrade like TRD_Supra with the exception I'd prefer to go the 7M -- still suffering uni of course -- as an upgrade for the Crown.
On that subject of running a 7M motor off a 5M ECU, I have read a file (here) about the 7M's ignition system which seems to hint that the ECU controls the ignition timing.
Of course, as I was typing my question I just found and confirmed with a picture that only the 7M-GTE uses the DLI ignition system. I am now a much happier bloke! 
Back on topic, I take it that this is accomplished by using the 5M intake manifold? From everything I have read about the M motor just about everything swaps. I ask because I am curious to know how it is done.
The 7M-GE management and engine sensors otherwise are more advanced than what the 5M ECU is capable of taking...? Well so I think
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One interesting perk of my engine upgrade is now (knowing the 7M-GE has in fact got a distributor) I can pretty much buy the engine and bolt it in (well, I hope). The reason is the 82 Crown I have is equipped with LPG and is currently running a 5M-E. When I run on LPG the injectors are shut off so the ECU is basically doing nothing to run the engine. This way, I can pay around $850 for an imported motor (according to Renew Auto) and get it working on LPG -- then get the ECU, wiring etc to run it on petrol later.
Which I probably never will use petrol. It costs me $20-25 to fill up in Melbourne compared to the $60-70 I'd pay for unleaded. I get the same economy on LPG too. 
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On Probation
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Hobart
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Wed, 23 February 2005 00:10
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but u dont get the POWER which is Ph33rd!!!!! 
Eventually i will goto a 7M Turbo but for now i just want to get rid of the 2.8 cause it sucks shit!
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Wed, 23 February 2005 00:15
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| MS112 wrote on Wed, 23 February 2005 01:14 |
Back on topic, I take it that this is accomplished by using the 5M intake manifold? From everything I have read about the M motor just about everything swaps. I ask because I am curious to know how it is done.
The 7M-GE management and engine sensors otherwise are more advanced than what the 5M ECU is capable of taking...? Well so I think
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Pretty sure the way to do it is to use the 7mge inlet etc as per stock, and swap the existing 5me sensors into/onto that manifold.
I don't think a 5me manifold will fit a 7m either....
Cheers
Wilbo
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Wed, 23 February 2005 00:20
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| avt67 wrote on Tue, 22 February 2005 21:57 |
But if you have a couple of friends you could .
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That's where he will run into problems
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Melbourne
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May 2002
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Wed, 23 February 2005 01:03
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you find a short body 5m dizzy spin the shaft down stick the 7m gear on and run the 5m ignition system, and then swap all the sensors and so forth over aswell.
would probably not run great but better then a tired 5m-e
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Victoria, Australia
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July 2004
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Wed, 23 February 2005 01:09
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Thanks to Wilbo and Allan for your information. Hadn't thought that the actual sensors could be swapped...Should know better about Toyota's compatability
| TRD_Supra wrote on Wed, 23 February 2005 11:10 |
but u dont get the POWER which is Ph33rd!!!!!
Eventually i will goto a 7M Turbo but for now i just want to get rid of the 2.8 cause it sucks shit!
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No, not leet speak! *spew*
Heh, the 7M-GE is rated at what, 142kw? Compared to the 86kw from the 5M-E...I'm not complaining, you compare that figure with a 3.3L 202 Holden at 86kw and see the efficiency!
Of course, I know I don't get quite the same power as on LPG, but since the new motor will be using it, it's still going to be a vast improvement on hill climbing and towing atleast
As for racing friends...Unlikely, unless I turbo the engine. Yeah, if I beat them though they will commit suicide. Everyone I've met seems to have a large level of disgust for the Crown. Buggered if I know why
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On Probation
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Hobart
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Wed, 23 February 2005 02:06
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5ME stock is 103KW where did u get 86 from its not a bloody 4AGE or a 202 
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Wed, 23 February 2005 02:35
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My value comes from the classicrown site on the mengines page
http://groups.msn.com/classicrown/mengines.msnw.
The figure is given in hp but I converted it to kw.
Where did you get your figure from? There's probably a proformance difference between Supra and Crown versions.
And don't worry I wasn't saying that a 202 was the same as a 5M, just that they had (until now I thought) similar power ratings.
Cheers
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Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Wed, 23 February 2005 02:46
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The 202 has many variants the top producing 109kw black motor with EFI lowest 81kw red motor
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Wed, 23 February 2005 02:54
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many versions of 5m-e check the size of the throttle body some come with the small others come with the large, and then there is compression differences
check out members.optusnet.com.au/ma45 see if your 5m sounds close to that.
Allan
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On Probation
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Hobart
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Wed, 23 February 2005 10:58
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i read mine from the Advertising Brouche for the australia model celicas/supra of that era.. the 22re has 88kw and the 5me has 103kw
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Wed, 23 February 2005 11:00
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Mk2 Supra 5ME's definetly had 103kW.
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Wed, 23 February 2005 11:11
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On a good day.
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wangaratta
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May 2004
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Wed, 23 February 2005 11:50
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well yes, norbie has a good point there.
and even 'if' they did get that much power from the factory, how many of them would be anywhere near that now???
i'll bet three fifths of fuck all!
and before someone jumps down my throat, yes, i do drive a 5ME powered supra.
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Wed, 23 February 2005 11:51
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very few if any!
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On Probation
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Hobart
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Thu, 24 February 2005 12:16
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look i know u all think a 5ME is a heap of shit... but persoanlly it isn't that bad.. its not hte quickest i know and very car from it, but still it goes ok there are loits of newer cars i can beat.. for example a Galant GSR the 4G63 model i can eat them.. but that is why i want a 5MGE cause i know the 5ME ain't that fast, but still its ok... there are worse.... 21r for example
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Thu, 24 February 2005 12:18
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look i know u all think a 5ME is a heap of shit... but persoanlly it isn't that bad.. its not hte quickest i know and very car from it, but still it goes ok there are loits of newer cars i can beat.. for example a Galant GSR the 4G63 model i can eat them.. but that is why i want a 5MGE cause i know the 5ME ain't that fast, but still its ok... there are worse.... 21r for example
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Thu, 24 February 2005 13:01
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| TRD_Supra wrote on Thu, 24 February 2005 22:18 |
look i know u all think a 5ME is a heap of shit... but persoanlly it isn't that bad.. its not hte quickest i know and very car from it, but still it goes ok there are loits of newer cars i can beat.. for example a Galant GSR the 4G63 model i can eat them.. but that is why i want a 5MGE cause i know the 5ME ain't that fast, but still its ok... there are worse.... 21r for example
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5mge has like 15 more horsepower man...its gonna make fuck all difference to how it goes!
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Thu, 24 February 2005 14:19
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You'd be surprised, every 5MGE I've driven shits all over any 5ME I've driven. Mine you, they were all Jap-spec 175hp versions.
As for beating that Galant...what do you expect, he has a 2l engine and probably just as much weight. A turbo one of those and you'll get munched.
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Thu, 24 February 2005 14:21
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Fri, 25 February 2005 00:19 |
You'd be surprised, every 5MGE I've driven shits all over any 5ME I've driven. Mine you, they were all Jap-spec 175hp versions.
As for beating that Galant...what do you expect, he has a 2l engine and probably just as much weight. A turbo one of those and you'll get munched.
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aus spec 5mges had 145 hp or something...which if you go by toyotas specs is a whole 5 more hp!  whoa! PHAT swap!
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Thu, 24 February 2005 21:08
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it will also be cheaper on fuel.. and it ha shad a pretty easy life. But i still assume there will be a noticeable difference even if it isn't huge i still want my supra to be the way it shuld have been!!! none of this 5ME crap!
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Fri, 25 February 2005 01:51
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having done this conversion, i can say figures are shit.
5mge goes much harder than any 5me ive ever driven.
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Membership Secretary
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Fri, 25 February 2005 02:00
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Trd Supra I would save your time and your money and just sit it out til you can afford your turbo motor.
I converted my 68 Crown to 7M yeah it goes alot harder but I have spent good money on what will just get thrown out when I go turbo later. You only really would want to do one engine conversion to a car.
Just another perspective.
I just seen what I've spent on it and what I've got to spend to go turbo. I shouldn't of gone GE I don't regret it but if I did it again I would go straight to GTE.
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Fri, 25 February 2005 03:08
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I think the main reason he is doing isn't so much for the extra power he is doing the easyest swap posible to gain experience for when he does a turbo conversion.
Well thats the way i understood it.
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Fri, 25 February 2005 08:43
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I can also confirm a 5M-GE goes a shiteload better than a 5M-E. It's not a big upgrade but it's still worthwhile.
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February 2003
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Fri, 25 February 2005 11:10
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i would tend to agree, although i think the 5mge is not a bad swap, the only reason i even considered it was because i got the parts for nothing.
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Victoria, Australia
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Fri, 25 February 2005 12:38
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As a tribute the 5M, from experience and this thread it is a hard motor to kill!
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On Probation
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Hobart
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Sat, 26 February 2005 07:43
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there are a few reasons..
1. I have never done a swap and i want to learn (main reason)
2. the complete motor is a very good price
3. its better than a 5ME
4. its cheaper to run on petrol
5. Its how the supra should b
6. it will go harder
7. Umm i dunno
so there are several reasons y i want to do it. I know i will do a 7M turbo later on but i want to start somewhere simple so i can learn a bi plus i don't haev the money to do anything bigger than wat i am doing!!
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On Probation
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Hobart
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Sat, 26 February 2005 07:51
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plus i have also had people say that when i put my foot into the 5ME it starts to blow a bit of black smoke then it starts to turn blue at about 5000rpm on wards
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On Probation
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Re: 5ME to 5MGE Swap
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Sat, 26 February 2005 22:58
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What are the eletrics like to hook up ? basically the same as the 5ME ?
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