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Best [read lightest] car for 1j drag duties?
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Fri, 04 March 2005 10:15
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G'day the Forum, I m interested to hear your opinion of an ideal car to achieve good 400m times for my favourite engine THE 1j.
I cant seem to go past Celica.Light [dont know,looks light] Streamlined [dont know,looks slippery] enough room in engine bay.[do know,checked readers rides.Very nice]
So,do you know something? Whats your ideal 1/4 blaster small six.I am sure this has all been done before but please humour us less knowledgable punters,we need to know what u know!
Cheers.Pete. 
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Re: Best [read lightest] car for 1j drag duties?
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Fri, 04 March 2005 10:24
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well, rb26 stomps all over the 1j if you dont mind going more exxy and nissan.
and if you can go to 3.0L displacement, the 2j is a very similar size to the 1j.
RA28 celica is a relatively easy fit ("relatively" if you're making a serious dreag car) or the ae86 - it can be done, but will require more money and swearing.
depends on budget and competition restrictions (if there are any)
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Fri, 04 March 2005 10:26
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lightest.... all out drag car.... KP61 or KE10.
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Re: Best [read lightest] car for 1j drag duties?
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Fri, 04 March 2005 10:48
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T18?
i wouldnt worry too much about anything fitting, as if it is an all out drag car you can just cut out anything that gets in the way.
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Re: Best [read lightest] car for 1j drag duties?
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Fri, 04 March 2005 11:35
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This plan involves driving with rego,so please dont include cars that cant fit a 1j.Cheers.Pete.
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Fri, 04 March 2005 12:29
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i'd like to hear reasons for the Rb26 shitting over the 1jz, In my opinion the 1jz is still a better engine in terms of reliabilty. Rb26 takes the crown in modabiltity and an extra 100cc or so of capacity. But am i missing out on anything else of major importance ?
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Fri, 04 March 2005 13:13
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Please not a 1j v rb contest of words.Since this is a toyota forum we shall just accept the win gracefully lol!
Info required is-a light body to take 1j [or RB if ya wanna go slowa] Or should we put the 1j in a sylvia?
Only joking,toyota only please.Cheers.Pete. 
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Fri, 04 March 2005 15:16
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If it has to be road registered you can't go much lighter than a Celica. I'd recommend an RA40 coupe - they're cheap, plentiful, coupe is more rigid than the hatch, and they're so ugly no-one will care if you butcher one.
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Fri, 04 March 2005 23:43
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if it to be registered in qld it will have to weigh 1000kgs stock. AFAIK my rona weighs somewhere between 970kg & 1050kg stock. Varying opinions I think.
I would think ra40 would be similar weight to my xt130. I think a corolla would be too light for legalities and something like a ke70(which i also own) would have a very difficult time fitting a 1j into. Also, the chassis seems weak compared to my rona.
Do a search on celica weights I reckon.
BTW quickest 1jz at the moment is an ra23 I think it is. But that is in NSW.
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Sat, 05 March 2005 00:07
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if you want a car that doesn't look like p00, go the ra2x, not the ra40
once you take the car to jenny craig's and do osme mods, you should have near 250rwkw in a car weighing about 1000kgs fully laden.
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Sat, 05 March 2005 00:48
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is this for fun or for competition?
do u want it road registered?
my opinion the RA60 (solid axle with RA65 headlights for looks) will be the best car to use.
it has the best drag coefficient of all of the solid axle celicas.
if u are interested in the RA40
RA40 coupe ~1010-1050kg
RA40 liftback 1100kg
when it comes to tractable horsepower remember the lightest car isnt always the best when it comes to drag racing.
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Sat, 05 March 2005 01:48
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about the t18
ive seen a drag t18 with a 7mgte JUST fitting in there, theres a bit of room to play with.
legal side of things is a bit iffy but 
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Re: Best [read lightest] car for 1j drag duties?
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Sat, 05 March 2005 02:06
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| jesseT18 wrote on Sat, 05 March 2005 12:48 |
about the t18
ive seen a drag t18 with a 7mgte JUST fitting in there, theres a bit of room to play with.
legal side of things is a bit iffy but
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http://www.turbocorolla.com/cars/danies.htm 
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Sat, 05 March 2005 03:18
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Yeah there was a celica at the creek last week which ran about a 10.8 or 10.4 it had a hard time getting off the line properly though.... the older supra's are quite light and have potential for a crazy arse end set up.
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Re: Best [read lightest] car for 1j drag duties?
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Sun, 06 March 2005 00:21
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A Celica of some description if it is legal in your state. Otherwise a Corona Mk2.
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Sun, 06 March 2005 00:40
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An ST141/RT142 would be doable but you would need to set the radiator forward or modify the firewall a little. In QLD would also be road legal as long as those modifications were done properly. And chopping people in a Corona is the shit
NB: Dave, I still have those grilles for you... I am just teh lazy and have lost your address.
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Sun, 06 March 2005 00:42
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Hahaha....likewise. Check PM.
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Sun, 06 March 2005 00:49
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| 7M-Brisbane wrote on Sun, 06 March 2005 11:40 |
An ST141/RT142 would be doable but you would need to set the radiator forward or modify the firewall a little. In QLD would also be road legal as long as those modifications were done properly. And chopping people in a Corona is the shit
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Are you talking about retaining the standard fan here? If you are talking about running thermos, that would mean that the st141 engine bay is shorter than the xt130. My 1jz fits in without any firewall mods, minus the clutch fan, with a chaser radiator in factory position with thermo fan on the front. It cannot fit on the other side.
There is about 5cm of clearance between the radiator and harmonic balancer.
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Re: Best [read lightest] car for 1j drag duties?
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Sun, 06 March 2005 03:35
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| Norbie wrote on Sat, 05 March 2005 02:16 |
If it has to be road registered you can't go much lighter than a Celica. I'd recommend an RA40 coupe - they're cheap, plentiful, coupe is more rigid than the hatch, and they're so ugly no-one will care if you butcher one.
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correctomundo.
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Sun, 06 March 2005 03:50
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| dingaling wrote on Fri, 04 March 2005 23:29 |
i'd like to hear reasons for the Rb26 shitting over the 1jz, In my opinion the 1jz is still a better engine in terms of reliabilty. Rb26 takes the crown in modabiltity and an extra 100cc or so of capacity. But am i missing out on anything else of major importance ?
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Sorry... Not to try and start a debate here or anything...
But the 1JZ as Dingaling said, is just as good of an engine...
When comparing them stock for stock, the 1JZ will actually hold with the RB26 within a few KWs quite a few reviews I have read say...
Although the 1JZ Turbos start to die a bit after 14PSi whilst the Nissan ones can pump a bit harder...
But swap the turbos, dial in some more boost, wack on a FMIC with better flow and cooling... And it'll shit all over the RB26 for lightly modded...
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Sun, 06 March 2005 11:45
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Thanks all for the info,taken it onboard and looking for one to pop up at the right time/price/rust level/location....you guys know how it goes. thanks again,cheers.Pete.
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Mon, 07 March 2005 01:09
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I noticed the st141/rt142 came up then it got me thinking.
as far as i know the SA63 celica is a tiny bit lighter than an RA60/RA65 and as earlyer stated it the most aerodynamic.
Depending on what drive train u used i belive supra diffs will bolt right in with little mods.
Also by looking in the tech articles the 1JZ will fit.
But if it's legal then a ronnie rolla for sure.
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Mon, 07 March 2005 01:22
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the IRS will be the SA63's downfall
thats why i mentioned the RA60 and not the RA65.
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Mon, 07 March 2005 01:45
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Surely An MA61 diff could handle the power of a modded 1jz ???
I have never seen this done but was at some stage thinking of doing it.
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Mon, 07 March 2005 02:47
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ohhhhhhhh!!!!!
You are so right i'd never thought about it that way.
I had noticed that on hard take offs the inside of the tyre mark is always darker than the outside.
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Mon, 07 March 2005 03:00
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i have seen a powerful 1j ma61.
rear camber changes were solved when racing by aligned positive camber so that when it squats the camber is zero.
i believe shane with 1jz747 was toying with this idea with his mx83.
also an option of welding up shock absorbers and suing bag rubber as your shock absorbshin, such as the r33 from sub zero did to get there car into low tens and high nines.
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Mon, 07 March 2005 03:06
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yeah dont get me wrong im not saying the problem cannot be solved, just saying the RA60 with solid axle may offer less headaches in the rear end department.
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Mon, 07 March 2005 03:14
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Would axle tramp be a problem ?????
Would this be solved/ less or a problem with irs ?
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Mon, 07 March 2005 03:27
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there are ways to solve axle tramp, not to mention wheel bounce can be a problem in IRS setups as well.
also modifications to an IRS rear end to suit drag racing are not good if its a street registered car.
which brings me onto, was this question answered yet? will it or does it have to be street registered?
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Mon, 07 March 2005 05:17
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| manmx83 wrote on Fri, 04 March 2005 21:05 |
This plan involves driving with rego,so please dont include cars that cant fit a 1j.Cheers.Pete.
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Mon, 07 March 2005 12:34
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Can I suggest a car? Please??
FSM Niki 650 So much lighter than a MKII, and easier to find than a Goggomobile...
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Mon, 07 March 2005 14:09
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IRS isn't that bad for traction. I did a 2.1 second 60ft with my MA61, and that's with a shagged LSD, even more shagged suspension (MEGA squat) and cheapo 225 tyres.
MA61 diff is very tough. I have one behind a modded 2JZ, and 2 years later it's still going strong, no clunks or whines or other nasty noises. It won't have any problems with a 1JZ.
Having said that, live axle is generally better for drag duties, although you'd have to swap in something a lot more substantial than the stock T diff in an RA60. Oh and live axle is quite a bit lighter than IRS.
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Mon, 07 March 2005 21:23
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| Norbie wrote on Tue, 08 March 2005 01:09 |
IRS isn't that bad for traction. I did a 2.1 second 60ft with my MA61, and that's with a shagged LSD, even more shagged suspension (MEGA squat) and cheapo 225 tyres.
MA61 diff is very tough. I have one behind a modded 2JZ, and 2 years later it's still going strong, no clunks or whines or other nasty noises. It won't have any problems with a 1JZ.
Having said that, live axle is generally better for drag duties, although you'd have to swap in something a lot more substantial than the stock T diff in an RA60. Oh and live axle is quite a bit lighter than IRS.
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It would be interesting for you to go to the track again with the new suspension and diff and see what the difference is. I am assuming that the suspension setup is for cornering etc. I don't know why but I have a feeling that mega squat setup actually works pretty well.
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Mon, 07 March 2005 23:11
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If you are targeting 1/4 mile times, going for anything other than a solid rear axle will just make things harder.
My car of choice would probably be the Celica that was around at the time of the MK2 supra (RA???).
They had solid axles, small frontal area, rack and pinion steering (don't laugh-if you are looking at a big HP 1J in a light car you will be staring at trap speeds in excess of 200kph-and worm and ball is not nice at that pace.....) And in japan they came from the factory with the MTEU-a 2.0L 6cyl turbo EFI donk. (tons of room in the front, and the motor is a fair way back so you can get good weight transfer onto the rear axle)
Once you strip out all the uwanted weight-ie, A/C compressor, electric anything, stock seats (go to one piece seats-50% lighter) etc, you should be under 1000kg at a guess.......
Sean
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Mon, 07 March 2005 23:15
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| MS-75 wrote on Tue, 08 March 2005 10:11 |
If you are targeting 1/4 mile times, going for anything other than a solid rear axle will just make things harder.
My car of choice would probably be the Celica that was around at the time of the MK2 supra (RA???).
They had solid axles, small frontal area, rack and pinion steering (don't laugh-if you are looking at a big HP 1J in a light car you will be staring at trap speeds in excess of 200kph-and worm and ball is not nice at that pace.....) And in japan they came from the factory with the MTEU-a 2.0L 6cyl turbo EFI donk. (tons of room in the front, and the motor is a fair way back so you can get good weight transfer onto the rear axle)
Once you strip out all the uwanted weight-ie, A/C compressor, electric anything, stock seats (go to one piece seats-50% lighter) etc, you should be under 1000kg at a guess.......
Sean
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What motor did they come out with ?
a 1GGTE ????
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Tue, 08 March 2005 04:07
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Sean: are you referring to the ra28 (mustang) or the GA61? GA61 had the 1g-ge in japan IIRC.
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Tue, 08 March 2005 06:15
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clubman, they have thrown pretty much anything else in there
,the niki fsm wouldn't work I saw one the other day a 1jzgte would be almost half the length of the car plus
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Tue, 08 March 2005 06:18
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| Chris Davey wrote on Tue, 08 March 2005 12:07 |
Sean: are you referring to the ra28 (mustang) or the GA61? GA61 had the 1g-ge in japan IIRC.
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I'm pretty sure he's referring to the RA60 Celica, but is getting a tad confused with the Celica XX. The MA63 Celica XX came with an MTEU, the GA61 came with a 1GEU or 1GGEU and the MA61 came with a 5MGEU.
Personally, I'm with them, pick up an RA60, put a Hilux diff in it and go from there. They are decent aerodynamically compared to other cars of their age, they're cheap cos they're ugly, they have live-axle and rack and pinion.
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Tue, 08 March 2005 12:22
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Yeah-that's it-RA60. The two bits I'm sure of are the 2.0L MTEU 6cyl and the 'XX' designation. It's the smaller cousin to the MA61 Poopra.
Sean
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Tue, 08 March 2005 12:26
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| MS-75 wrote on Tue, 08 March 2005 20:22 |
Yeah-that's it-RA60. The two bits I'm sure of are the 2.0L MTEU 6cyl and the 'XX' designation. It's the smaller cousin to the MA61 Poopra.
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The Celica XX is just a Supra with no flares, it's what they called them in Japan until the Mk3. It's the same size as a Mk2 Supra. The RA60 has a smaller engine bay, but is big enough for a 1JZGTE still.
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Tue, 08 March 2005 12:34
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Tue, 08 March 2005 17:15 |
clubman, they have thrown pretty much anything else in there
,the niki fsm wouldn't work I saw one the other day a 1jzgte would be almost half the length of the car plus
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Call the doctor! I think I may have my tongue stuck in my cheek...
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