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August 2003
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 Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Wed, 01 December 2004 07:03
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I have a GZ20 with TEMS, and I've heard that I could encounter a few problems when trying to lower the car.
Does anyone know if I can just replace the springs or do I have to take out the TEMS entirely?
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I supported Toymods
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Adelaide
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July 2004
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Wed, 01 December 2004 07:20
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TEMS has nothing to do with the springs and it is a component of the shock absorbers, so long as you dont break it or cut the wires when you remove the shocks to put the springs in you should be fine 
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Perth, WA
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August 2003
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Wed, 01 December 2004 07:38
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Cheers for the fast reply,
how much did you lower your car / how much did you pay for the springs / where did u source them / what type are they etc?
(just a few questions)
Thanks for the help mate
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I supported Toymods
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Adelaide
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July 2004
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Wed, 01 December 2004 08:51
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i got my springs in a package with my shockers, they are KYB Damper adjustables and the springs are RSR, i got them second hand from an importer who owed me money so i didnt pay for them persae but he had a $550 price tag on them so i guess thats what someone would have paid.
Keep your eyes out for a set of king lows from a supra as they tend to come up fairly regularly or my mate Danish on these forums is selling a set of KG/MM springs which are extremely stiff and srop the car a fair bit.
Be careful when buying shocker packages tho as for some reason the back of my car sits 2cm higher than the front which i am gonna try and rectify this weekend
Brand new king lows will set you back about $200 at trade price or about $240 at full price
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south east - melbourne
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March 2004
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Wed, 01 December 2004 22:21
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any lowred springs from these cars will fit
GZ20, MZ20, MA70, GA70, JZA70
try and get any of these as the suspension is interchangable for the whole lot of those cars and are a straight bolt on
mr ig the soarers usually always sit like that and yes i hate it too looks like they going to dive into the ground to dig up worms
i have got some lovell lowered springs from a jza70 supra but havent put it in yetso cant tell u weter mine will be doign the same
yeah the king springs were sold to some dude but apparently they were damn low and would have def been defected in victoria
and yeah tems doesnt matter and has nothing to do with the springs its part of the shock absorber and adjusts the damper rate
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South Eastern Subs
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March 2004
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Wed, 01 December 2004 23:30
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If you are short on cash you can just compress your standard spings..It works well for me but the ride is a bit stiff..it hadles but.
Hey indian which King spring you have... How low..cause i want to drop my ass end a bit..
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south east - melbourne
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March 2004
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Wed, 01 December 2004 23:34
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dude i didnt have the king springs some other guy was selling them they were off a supra but were too damn low and they were with koni shockers as well woul have been a sweet package but i didnt have the money and defenitly would have got booked with them on they were seriously low im thinking about the back as well might get the back ones compressed like u did , i have the lovells springs not king springs although two of my speings look shorter than the other maybe they will be straight when put on have to see that , otherwise compress them so they all stay in a straight level
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South Eastern Subs
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March 2004
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Wed, 01 December 2004 23:47
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Yeh good idea..Anyways sorry i haven't come around i blew my head gasket...I am in the proccess of fixing it.. I got the head of today and have to get it milled flat tomorow. On the bright side the head gasket only cost me 100 bucks so as soon as i fix it i'll give you a call..
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south east - melbourne
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March 2004
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Wed, 01 December 2004 23:51
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NAH ITS COOL BRO turn the boost down homi lollllllll, yeah i read the post about the metal hg looks in good nick man , nice buy all the best in getting the car fixed up soon
i will be putting some neons in my car and lowering it soon 
iil need ur help with the lowering bit though if thats ok
yeah come around some time hopefully before the 26th of dec as i will be going overseas after then when i come back will fit some splits in the front door and maybe clean the car up in the engine bay area maybe fix sunroof as well
also planning on some gauges in the dashboard 
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South Eastern Subs
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March 2004
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Wed, 01 December 2004 23:53
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Sounds good...i be in touch anyways..and yeh i help you out to lower it...
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south east - melbourne
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March 2004
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Wed, 01 December 2004 23:54
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cheers man , yeah iil ring u sometime soon
how did u go with the exams , results coming soon arent they lollllllll
good luck and all the best bro
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Canberra
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September 2003
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Thu, 02 December 2004 00:48
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I have some Excellent condition Cusco COMP 1 coilovers $1000
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I supported Toymods
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Adelaide
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July 2004
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Thu, 02 December 2004 01:41
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well i am gonna cut a half a coil off the back this weekend 
that should rectify my height issues
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Location:
Perth, WA
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August 2003
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Thu, 02 December 2004 09:48
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Excellent info there indian and mr1g, good to hear that I can just whack some new springs in. Thought it might be a little more complicated, but thats good cos I want to spend as little on that as possible, and more on some new mags. Probly 17's with a bit of dish. Oww yeah.
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South Eastern Subs
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March 2004
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Thu, 02 December 2004 15:42
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Don't cut springs..only cocksuckers do that..if you want to save money compress them..cutting them makes them loose their spring rate
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South Eastern Subs
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March 2004
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Thu, 02 December 2004 15:54
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Yeah past the exams I am a qualified network engineer now..lol as well as a autoelectrician and part time mechanic.. (too much spare time with cars) lol...but yeah holidays now...not really saving up for a 650 hp SB Chev over the summer for my HQ Monaro..LOL..I busted the 450hp engine the other day...
On the bright note I am high flowing my soarer turbos since I dismantled the whole fu**ing engine now.. might as well..
Sick of it being a slug...need more power scotie..lol..hopping for that magical 180rwkw figure for everyday on a bundget...
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I supported Toymods
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Adelaide
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July 2004
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Thu, 02 December 2004 21:39
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well i just picked up a pair of CT12a's for $150 in perfect working order
So im gonna have a go at modifying my manifolds to have them fit onto the 1GGTE head, should be interesting 
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south east - melbourne
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March 2004
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Thu, 02 December 2004 21:59
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lollll good work blackie CONGRATS
mr 1g -- nice going but remember they are ceramic turbines in the ct12a and as u said flanges are different and bigger , let us know how it went
man both u guys shold just stick a big single in there would be heaps better , also less headache as theres only one turbo to stuff around with but yeah both of yas keep us all informed
teeBore
be carefull with what rims u get for the soarer i spend heaps on wheels only to find out i couldnt lower them so had to trade them in and got ripped off
anyways stock soarer offset is 50mm with 114.3x5 pcd
usually 45mm offset with a 7 inch wide rim will suit perfect and can lower the car as well be carefull of what u do and make sure u fit the wheels on the car and see they fit well before buying them
be as close as possible to stock offset as the more u change it the more tramlining u will get (not a very good thing)
38mm offset with a 8 inch wide rim will not fit (i know from experience) it will fit but u cant lower the car with it on
also be carefull of the tyres u put on them as the soarer is a heavy car and too low a profile and the coppers will get u for it -- its happened to my friend in vic anyway lolll
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Thu, 02 December 2004 22:43
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indian - i got them for $150 and they seem like they are in decent condition, minimal shaft play which is good, im gonna have a go at modifying the manifolds to have them fit on the 1G head myself, if i can pull it off i cant really see it costing more than $250, im also gonna have a go at making twin dumps
if it works it will surely be better than the pooey CT12s 
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south east - melbourne
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March 2004
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Thu, 02 December 2004 22:54
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yeah def will be better than the ct12s for sure , but just the trouble and time and money , i suppose if u have them all then no probs
i think there was an adaptor plate which allowed the ct12a to fit on the ct12 manifold , not very sure though 
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I supported Toymods
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Adelaide
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July 2004
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Thu, 02 December 2004 23:13
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meh, those adaptors are made in someones backyard, why would i pay someone $450 for one when i have all the materials and tools to make one myself
Its not rocket science
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south east - melbourne
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March 2004
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Thu, 02 December 2004 23:17
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loll i suppose so ust do it urself if u know wjat ur doing
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guys have any of u looked in the for sale department
engine accesories area heaps of 1g- parts , if anyones interested , sigle turbos , engines , cat back exhaust fark i wish i had the money
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Location:
Perth, WA
Registered:
August 2003
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Sun, 23 January 2005 05:58
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I bought got my new mags
Gonna lower the car now - and im gonna get my springs compressed, tanking em out and putting em back in myself. I find it weird that the advice I was given above basically says that I can change over the springs without any adjustment to the shockies.... I would have thought that I would need to drop the normal sitting height of the shocks too??
Any one help me on this?
I'm not buying new shocks - keeping the original TEMS.
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Location:
Central Coast, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Mon, 24 January 2005 02:40
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I'm using Koni Yellow Shocks and King Low springs... my car also sits high in the back. For some reason the whole left hand side of my car sits lower than the right which causes the front left hand tyre to scrape the inside of the wheel arch when going over bumps
I have no idea whats caused it
Dan
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Adelaide
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September 2003
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Mon, 24 January 2005 08:39
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Danners: Control arm broken? My mates vl has this problem and he seems to think its the control arm. No idea if this is really relevent or not. Does your car make any weird noises over bumps eg knocking, crunching etc???
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Mon, 24 January 2005 21:57
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| Danners wrote on Mon, 24 January 2005 13:10 |
I'm using Koni Yellow Shocks and King Low springs... my car also sits high in the back. For some reason the whole left hand side of my car sits lower than the right which causes the front left hand tyre to scrape the inside of the wheel arch when going over bumps
I have no idea whats caused it
Dan
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could be sagged springs...
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Central Coast, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Mon, 24 January 2005 22:42
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Not really any really noticeable noises. The strange thing is, its both the front left and rear left that sit lower. I've taken it to Pedders several times (had polyurethane bushes installed) which improved it a little but after a hard run through some winding corners one night its gone back to scraping quite regularily
I'll take it back to them again and get them to check it thoroughly i think
Dan
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I supported Toymods
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Adelaide
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July 2004
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Mon, 24 January 2005 23:07
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I just noticed that you have king springs in your car...
well A friend of mine was working for the official reseller of them down here in adelaide and he told me that the passenger side springs always sit a little lower than the drivers side, so when you are on a track the car is even becuase it has a driver in the car, maybe that could be your problem
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Central Coast, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Mon, 24 January 2005 23:19
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I hope thats not it
Even if i were on a track, ever right hand corner i'd hit... the car would scrape for the entire duration of the corner
This also affects my ability to steer
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Tue, 26 April 2005 12:32
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Okay peoples. What is the final verdict on this? Is it fine to use lowered springs with the factory TEMS shocks? Has anyone actually done this with success?
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Location:
south east - melbourne
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March 2004
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Re: Lowering a GZ20 Soarer
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Tue, 26 April 2005 22:35
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yep im using the tems suspension with lovells lowered springs seems to be fine and the tems works as well
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