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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Wed, 15 January 2003 12:53
 
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arent 20v better left as a naturally aspirated engine? i think i read somewhere that they dont really react well with forced induction but i cant remember the article...
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I supported Toymods
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Wed, 15 January 2003 15:06
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I agree with justcallmefrank, BOVs are a waste of time on a SC, on a turbo (and strober rigolis 20vturbo pulls 11.9's) it is a different story.
Those pics were from fast fours a few years ago and it is in an AE82, it is a wicked car. The white AE92 in the background has the full digital Jappy dash in it.
Also that 1100$$ clutch u could probably get from Daiken for $450 or so, I will make a call for u tomorrow, that is a clutch, diaphram and bearing. The boys look after me there..... It might even be cheaper, I got my H/D for $300 (pre GST days) and that is emough. anything more is overkill (from experience) unless there is a genuine track plan for the car (ie racing)
It looks like this post has seriously favoured the 20v, taking into account the 180 is a turbo, I think the 20v takes the bang for buck award, fuel economy award and the "u just got smoked by a 1600" award (always good when u smoke a turbo or a v6 ford or somethin hehee)
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Thu, 16 January 2003 04:47
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hey fellas im pretty sure the CRX's you are talking about are actually D16Y's not B16A's. D16Y's are sohc VTEC (dont go as hard as b16a, which is dohc vtec.)
the new shape crx (del sol) are D16Y's I'm 99% sure.
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Thu, 16 January 2003 04:54
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Negative!! The 3rd Gen CRX is a B16A!!
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Thu, 16 January 2003 05:17
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hey guys
ok back to that clutch i think it is either a solid centre or very close to it. its been a while since he told me.ummm.but seriously the car goes a whole lot quicker than it used to just becoz of the clutch.
not bein a bitch leigh but fords only make straight sixes 
yea samantha kilroe smiths corolla is pretty good(blue one that runs 11.9)yea i talk to her a little, but my cousin(with the $1100 cluthc) is heaps good friends with her so yeah.she gives him pointers. and just a lil bit of trivia. the 11.9second engine was a 4agze bottom end with a 20v head. just for something different.
i think i read somewhere that they dont really react well with forced induction but i cant remember the article...
take a look at DROOLN only runnin six pounds it took out the dyno comp at the auto expo. 
unless there is a genuine track plan for the car (ie racing)
well i guess u can say he has plans or actually that he duz alot of it now.illegal street drags of course  but i guess that has something to do with his number plates 'EAGER' and he says it means EAGER for a race..so yeah..actually i just remember that one time when he was in syd. he raced a twin turbo soarer off at the lights and sat side by side with it. wat da 
oh well thats enuff typin for now..catch yalater guys.
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Thu, 16 January 2003 05:37
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ok i am back again.. just quickly msgd my cousin while he was at work and replied sayin his clutch was 2inches bigger than standard and double or triple clamping duz that make any sense leigh. he said it is a CARTER custom clutch.
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Thu, 16 January 2003 05:41
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SPEEDCORE which crx am i thinkin of then??
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 Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Thu, 16 January 2003 08:32
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| -blown20v- wrote on Wed, 15 January 2003 14:43 |
and becoz noone else has done it..
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I hear this a lot, and personally, I don't think it's a good enough reason to do anything.
As for the 20V vs GZE thing. I've seen it countless times before in many different guises. I can tell you that at the traffic light GP, the GZE will hammer a 20V. Seriously, I've never seen an N/A 20V come close to a stock GZE.
On the track or on the freeway is a different matter. A 20V would walk away from a GZE without even straining.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Thu, 16 January 2003 11:48
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nark, i am sorry but i have had 2 gzes before, I cant explain it, but it has happened on 3 different occasions
I am open for critizism, but i can get one gze owner to vouch for it too
Blown, That is what u get for posting at 2am, simple errors like v versus flat, oh well silly me
The clutch size is decided via the fly size and if u get one that is 2 in larger then it will overhang the bell housing, which u and i both know will never happen, right. I am a little confused here with what u are saying about it, but as far as dbl or tripple well songle button will be a big enough prob let alone the clamp load of a dbl or tpl.
LP
[Updated on: Thu, 16 January 2003 11:54]
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Thu, 16 January 2003 11:52
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If it is being spent on a Toyota then I dont mind. I think you got away with it cheaply 
"gt4rider"
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Thu, 16 January 2003 14:47
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As for the 20V vs GZE thing. I've seen it countless times before in many different guises. I can tell you that at the traffic light GP, the GZE will hammer a 20V. Seriously, I've never seen an N/A 20V come close to a stock GZE
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I agree, And I can back Nark on this quote too...
A standard GZE
A standard 20V
So it's obvious, a GZE has more power
Also Seen it many times on the road. From a standing start, a 20V's hundred odd Nm of torque can't compare to the GZE's 200 odd Nm of torque, power is only useful up top. But, Just thinking of it, an early model GZE could have a tough time against the 20V.
Also Last the super sprint I enter at wakefield park, there was a near standard 20V in an AE82, which I happened to get a run against. Off the line my 7AFE ate him for dinner, but once on song, it kept up and gained a little on me! Lucky for me I had the extra cog and much better brakes which kept him there, but I think he would of tried passing me at the end of main straight otherwise.... and before I hear a song and dance about this being impossible from those hear who don't know my car, this 7AFE resides in a Group A Rally car.
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A stock 20v (silvertop) puts out 108kw at the flywheel, blacktop a little more.
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Yeah, that would be around the right money on pump fuel, but on Avgas or ELF racing (same octane fuel as Jap), they make the 115 and 120Kw's, quoted from Factory.
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and becoz noone else has done it..
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I know of Two at the moment... Peter Luftus' Improved Production Car, a Blue Starlet which Dynotrac had on display at Dyno Day 3 and Ivan Tan's AE92 in WA. I know the Starlet produces 130-140Kw@wheels, but it is a race car. The corolla which is street drive produces 80Kw@wheel. But expect this to stay this way, CAMS has just approved the RV seca and 20V combo for the New super 1600 class, which is real good news for Me! Anyone want to buy a just rebuilt Grp A 7AFE? which is now for sale.
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Thu, 16 January 2003 14:53
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But expect this to stay this way
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I should say don't expect.... just too late at night so I had to make at least one typo guys!
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Thu, 16 January 2003 23:01
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Dang Johnny! Didn't think a 20V could hang with your car!
And I thought that the blue Starlet was turbo?
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Fri, 17 January 2003 00:54
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Dang Johnny! Didn't think a 20V could hang with your car!
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And I thought that the blue Starlet was turbo?
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Nope, All N/A, just that it has had a shit load of cash poured into it. Would be interesting to drive on the road 
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Fri, 17 January 2003 01:01
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Ah... I'm thinking of the turbo Mirage...
That Starlet would be a real interesting drive...
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Re: CRX vs 180sx Vs 20valve
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Sat, 18 January 2003 01:31
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hey guys,
with the 20v it depends how u race it... we've found that holdin the handy up a starting to creep at the grand the just dumpin the clutch seems to get u away pretty quickly or also. takin off then stabbin the clutch. causes wheelspin but once it hooks in it takes off. jus been experimentin oh and back to that supercharger with bov issue.. look in HOT4'S no. 89 (december20002) on page 51 and u'll see a mirage with a gze blower and a blow off valve..
oh and leigh back to the clutch issue.. i have no idea hehehe
..well anyways gotta go.. off to carmate to spend money :
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