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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Mon, 17 May 2004 05:29
 
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I am in exactly the same boat. I dont know which way to go. Im leaning to the tokicos only because everyone on here is hailing them. But the question remains. Why are they better?
btw takai, not to drag this offtopic but what springs are you getting with the dampers?. .. either way.
-Andrew
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Mon, 17 May 2004 13:08
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True it is, but considering the same setup, but with matched springs, i want to know which one is preferable.
This comes about from the other thread where certain people were VERY vocal about baggin the Konis and preferring the Tokicos. However, those aforesaid people seem to have shut up about now.
Why is that guys.......
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Mon, 17 May 2004 13:15
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I have a pair of tokicos and they are great. All I got to say.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Mon, 17 May 2004 14:29
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Tokico HTS's are adjustable in tiny incriments for any spring rate from 4 - 15kg/mm,more then enough for any road car thats for sure, They are exceptionally well made too with a very good service life. Being a japanese shock they are more suited to drift/grip driving in their valve rates (on smooth roads that is) then the slower reacting koni shocks are.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Mon, 17 May 2004 14:41
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Cool, a response.
So Tokico, more spring adjustment, and smaller/better valving.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Mon, 17 May 2004 16:35
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So Tokico, more spring adjustment, and smaller/better valving.
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you hit the nail on the head
koni's tend to be "slow" to shift compressed weight from what i hear
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Tue, 18 May 2004 00:01
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then the slower reacting koni shocks are ?
So we talking about low speed bump , or high speed bump adjustment , i didn't think the hts where adjustable in both ranges ? i thought the adjustment was just general adjustment to the bump control . What model of koni is this being compared to ? A red non adjustable , and yellow , damper/bump adjustable , or a sport , bump and rebound adjustable , or a koni race completely adjustable , high/low speed bump , rebound , bump .
slow" to shift compressed weight
low speed bump ?, this is aways higher in yellow konis than most shocks , i guess its because they make most of there shocks for european car which normal have high levels of anti dive .
ra23celica , i think that is a perfect decription of the HTS , but i have only driven with these fitted with trd springs which i have no idea of the rating , With that car the shocks could be turned up harder than the spring rate , and softer , so i seemed like a really good package .
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Tue, 18 May 2004 00:08
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Yellows, Street/Race valving.
Damper/Bump/Rebound adjust
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Tue, 18 May 2004 01:27
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| takai wrote on Tue, 18 May 2004 10:08 |
Yellows, Street/Race valving.
Damper/Bump/Rebound adjust
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So this is what there are being compared with ?
Then go the HTS , unless you are going to get the spring graph and valve the shock to the spring correctly . The adjustment range makes a very small difference on the yellows , there is no such thing as race valving , they are just re-valved to a harder rate than normal . Something to think about if you already had a set of REDs would be re-valved to the correct rate for the spring , this mite sound silly , but some models of REDs for the rear of alfas have a larger body than the yellows , so once
re-valved this makes them much better than the yellow could ever be . Sorry base modified class 2002 , yes i did cheat with the class rules abit 
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Tue, 18 May 2004 05:38
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A little sidetrack but:
where in oz can i find tokicos?
Or must i order from the states or something?
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Tue, 18 May 2004 05:49
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Afaik they are overseas import only (Japan/America).
Another reason why the konis are a bit more desirable.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Tue, 18 May 2004 06:04
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i heard from club4ag.com(i think it's also stated in the tokico website) the adjustability of the tokico's are to accommodate spring rates from 2.5kg to 15kg.
And they're highly regard as made for AE86!
And also the adjustability of HTS is infinite, other than how many -ways ... if u understand what i mean.
for the same price, there's no way u should choose koni over HTS.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Tue, 18 May 2004 06:15
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Has anyone tried to get support for the Tokicos. Things like blown seals or dead valves.
Are these readily available in Australia.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Tue, 18 May 2004 06:45
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i suppose you guys new that the racing AE86 s here had Bilsteins in them frt and rear they pulled out the trd 1s or tokicos and ran the bilys instead there is even a trd no for the strut legs to take the big bilsteins for the frt and rear my 2 cents of info
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Tue, 18 May 2004 06:48
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Trying to fit Bilsteins in the hilux/corona struts is too hard, as well as fitting the rears in for coilover setup.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Tue, 25 May 2004 11:32
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just going to bump this up, as i found soem useful info.
also, if anyone is interested in a possible group buy of some tokicos, let me know as i would be interested in reducing the postage cost or something.
here is a schematic i found after much babelfishing and guess clicking
so there you have it, the front struts have 125 mm or around 5 inches of total travel, at first i though this was stuff all, but i jacked my car up and down and i think it will be fine.
also, i think i can get away with just getting springs made for my standard struts, wont have to go coilover yet.
[Updated on: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:34]
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Tue, 25 May 2004 14:22
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I can get a full set of 4 brand new HTS's for around 900 if anyones interested.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Tue, 25 May 2004 15:34
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Simon, may want to rethink that price. I have had quotes for $750 (depending on exchange rate) shipped from Japan to my door.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Tue, 25 May 2004 15:55
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takai is that for the hts102's or the hts104's?
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Tue, 25 May 2004 21:54
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im guessing thats for the tokico illimuna's, HTS's normally retail for a fair wack more, they are NOT cheap.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Wed, 26 May 2004 00:21
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well the tokico HTS 102 sell on tokico's "online store" for 45,000 yen, which is ROUGHLY 500 bucks.
takai, i think we are looking at the same source, if their name has something to do with "green" and they sell them for 44,100 yen or so.
wanna see about a group buy?
and anyone else, what is the difference betseen HTS 102, HTS 103 and HTS 104? the latter seem heaps cheaper (like 25000 yen) and i am almost considering getting them depending on how they are different.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Wed, 26 May 2004 01:25
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just ask them to label them "warranty returns" or say they are illuminas or something
you would think it would have to be cheaper to send 2 sets!
let me know what you find out, id email them but no point two people doign it, ask them about multible sets, as opposed to just 2 sets.
im sure we could bully someone else into getting a set too
need to work out what spacers ill need, and need to get some coilover threads too
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Thu, 27 May 2004 00:09
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All in all its about $20 cheaper, but part of the discount has been absorbed by the demise of our dollar.
Tis a crappy one, i say each for their own.
BTW. ive had stuff shipped by them before, and they are good.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Thu, 27 May 2004 00:13
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20 bucks, hardly worth it then 
glad to hear they are good, i was going to start collecting feedback about them, a mate of mine said "dont tell too many people about these guys" NFI why he said that though.
i have an alternate supplier lined up, but all things considered i dont mind paying 750 bucks for "the" AE86 shocks.
do you know if they come with the adjusting key? you would think they would have to, and do you use one key for bound and another for rebound, or what?
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Thu, 27 May 2004 00:17
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Yeah, as you have probably guessed im going with the Tokicos now, even over the Koni parts availability.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Mon, 05 September 2005 07:16
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now that the Tokico HTS 102s are discontinued what else is jst as good?
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Mon, 05 September 2005 08:03
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Bilstein.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Mon, 05 September 2005 08:07
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thanks for you reply but that doesnt really help me much, can you plz be a bit more spacific?
also were can these be bought from and prices?
thanks ben
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Mon, 05 September 2005 08:31
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um waht type do you recomend there is alot to chose from there
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Mon, 05 September 2005 08:32
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Tokico HTS 102's are discontinued?
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Mon, 05 September 2005 08:33
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yes i asked a few places if they still could get them and they said that there sicontinued of not long ago, if you can tell me were i might be able to get them plz tell me.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Mon, 05 September 2005 10:00
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EBAY
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Mon, 05 September 2005 14:57
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negative to ebay, nothing on there
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Mon, 05 September 2005 15:53
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KYB AGX
but 4 way adjustable only. someone said hardest setting is as good as tokico.
not available for sprinter thou
but u can get:
MR2 AW11 rear shorts for the front
and some other rear shocks for the rear(commodore?)
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Mon, 05 September 2005 21:30
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Do blisten make a similar product to the HTS's or do you need to specify shocks from another vehicle for the correct stroke length?
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Tue, 06 September 2005 02:48
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kyb hmmm.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Tue, 06 September 2005 08:05
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are they tockico illumina's as good as the hts or not, y do they always stop making the good products?
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Tue, 06 September 2005 08:07
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| .wolfwood wrote on Tue, 06 September 2005 18:05 |
are they tockico illumina's as good as the hts or not, y do they always stop making the good products?
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becuase cheap arses stop buying them new and buy shitty used ones from japan/ebay instead 
there's not that much of a market for shopping trolleys, when the vast majority of ppl will not pay for things.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Tue, 06 September 2005 08:08
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| .wolfwood wrote on Tue, 06 September 2005 18:05 |
, y do they always stop making the good products?
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because (pretend) sprinters are now 20 years old.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Tue, 06 September 2005 08:10
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ahh ha, now i gota find something else to use thats jsut as good. might be hard to find that.. always my luck
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Tue, 06 September 2005 09:24
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Have they discontinued the TRD ones too? 
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Fri, 09 September 2005 10:11
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KYB AGX
not available for sprinter thou
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not true.
i've got 5 sets at the moment for sale at work...they're not available in australia for ae86...but from other countries..and once you know what to look for
it's true also that the valving on their hardest setting is close to HTS102's. i pulled the 1o2's out of the rear of my 86 to test it.
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Sat, 10 September 2005 05:49
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oldcorollas - those shocks arnt the ones that you use to build coilovers with are they, i thought that the didnt have they seat type things on them, i could be wrong though
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Sat, 10 September 2005 16:13
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seems like the pics in the link oldcorolla's posted was for another car.
yet, im sure that the ae86 ones are actually for sale.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Sat, 10 September 2005 16:18
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oh.. well i cant really read japanese so yer kinda makes it hard.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Sat, 10 September 2005 17:11
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to be honest, i couldn't give a shit.. the ad said AE86 and HTS102.. what more do you want?? anyway, it's your problem just get some shocks that much your springs and stop being be bloody pedantic/elitist about tokico's...]
get over it.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Sat, 10 September 2005 17:12
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well fu(k im sooo sory, jesus crist i just herd taht there isnt really anything as good as them so i wanted them, fu(king hell man chill out.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Sat, 10 September 2005 22:50
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There are BUCKET loads of shocks which absolutely piss all over the Tokicos.
Bilstein
Ohlins
and many more than i care not to think of just yet (too early).
Stop having a hissy, and go out and research. Stew has provided you with a heap of links, go actually do something.
oldcorollas: PS. Real sprinters are even older. And thats why you cant even get panels for them 
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Sun, 11 September 2005 02:17
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dude im nt having a hissy, i am thankfull that ppl have tryed to help me, im not very experenced when it comes to cars so i need as much help as i can get.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Sun, 11 September 2005 02:51
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| .wolfwood wrote on Sun, 11 September 2005 03:12 |
well fu(k im sooo sory, jesus crist i just herd taht there isnt really anything as good as them so i wanted them, fu(king hell man chill out.
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Sun, 11 September 2005 08:23
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i wont matter one way or another which shocks you get just get any sports shocks, KYB or something pedders whatever, doesnt matter you wont notice any difference anyway for an extra $500, unless your gonna become some elite drifter or take your car to track days alot
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Sun, 11 September 2005 08:39
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i want to get into drifting but i got shit suspention so i want to get something good and tahts gona last, this way i can take my car to the track
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Re: Koni Yellows vs Tokico HTS 102s
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Sun, 11 September 2005 08:44
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Well unless you have big bucks to spend then you may as well get the KYBs.
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