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Re: turboing TA22 - new stuff
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Fri, 07 October 2005 00:28
 
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i'm not sure??? I have en external wastegate but i was told i need a blow off valve on the inlet? I guess the wastegate is connected to the inlet anyway, right? What do you think?
In regards to the flange, YEAH SURE! Where abouts you live etc and i can come help or phone number etc and we can talk $$.
E-mail me at aj@mfcmortgages.com.au i dont check it over the weekend so i'll reply on monday (work computer).
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geelong
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August 2005
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - new stuff
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Fri, 07 October 2005 23:37
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BoV is on the intake side of the engine - Wastegates are on exhaust side - should be no confusion there?,
There is no point and no place for a BoV on a carbi-suck-thru Turbo. None at all.
A BoV has to go after the compressor and before the throttle - seeing as the throttle will be ahead of the turbo, this circumstance will never happen.
Re: the wastegate - the internate gate in the turbo should be sufficient to control the levels of boost you're going to generate. External gates are for high-boost applications and older turbos with no built-in wastegate.
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geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - new stuff
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Sat, 08 October 2005 01:12
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i made up the oil lines  i just used 1/4 inch copper pipe for the top piece and 1/2 inch pipe on the bottom piece. i ran the oil out of were the oil pressure switch origanaly went, useing a 'T' piece so i could still run the oil pressure switch on it. For the bottom piece i just ran the copper pipe out of the turbo and the sump a little bit and joined the the two pieces together with flexaable oil hose. I ran the engine and there was no oil leeks and the oil pressure was fine, so it should work ok i hope 
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melbourne
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February 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 8/10/05
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Sat, 08 October 2005 02:30
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ha nice one... gotta love back yard jobbies.
good one. now we await the pipping and carb issues
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 8/10/05
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Sat, 08 October 2005 03:54
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just a quick note about the drain into the sump, make sure thaat pipe going into the sump is above the full height of oil in the sump, the turbo has to freely drain into the sump. It probably is, but for my sump, the drain was brazed on just below the sump flange.
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geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 8/10/05
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Sat, 08 October 2005 10:25
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does it really mater that mutch  because im pritty shore that it is not above the oil  why would it afect any thing and what does it do.
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 8/10/05
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Sat, 08 October 2005 11:25
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It is usually a drama, cause the oil needs a free path back into the sump, without restriction, otherwise its likely that oil will backup the drain hose, and the easiest path for it to release the pressure is past the rear seal on the turbo, hello tailpipe smoke 
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Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 8/10/05
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Sat, 08 October 2005 12:51
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can u clock the compressor housing? turning it around a bit to have the outlet facing up will simplify the piping
Looken good so far
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 8/10/05
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Sat, 08 October 2005 13:17
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if he rotates the intake housing, then he has to fabricate up new holder for the wastegate actuator.
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geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 8/10/05
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Sat, 08 October 2005 22:45
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yeah thechuckster is right, i was going to turn it around but i would of had to make a new holder and i dont no any one with a TIG to weld it with. i was looking at the front of the car and it look like i can run it around infront of the radiator pritty easy.
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Melbourne
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 8/10/05
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Sun, 09 October 2005 23:29
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Apart from being above oil line level (how do you determin that by the way?) What is the best position for the oil return pipe in the sump? (front, middle or back). Would it make sense to have it closer to the oil pump?
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 8/10/05
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Mon, 10 October 2005 06:07
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| ajmor6 wrote on Mon, 10 October 2005 09:29 |
Apart from being above oil line level (how do you determin that by the way?) What is the best position for the oil return pipe in the sump? (front, middle or back). Would it make sense to have it closer to the oil pump?
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Best spot would be underneath the crank scraper but as far above the full-oil line and not likely to be temporarirly blocked off if the car/engine was at a significant lean.
Usually you want th oil drain to be a simple path from the turbo, so i'd let that dictate the entry postition, not the proximity to the pickup.
As for how measuring where the full line is:
-drain engine oil (while warm) and store
-remove sump
-pour oil back into sump
-look at full level of sump and then go 'up a bit'.
Alternatively, you could simply accurately note the amount of oil drained, dump that, then when removing the sump at your convenience you use same volume of water or another liquid.
highly scientific, hey?
[Updated on: Mon, 10 October 2005 06:16]
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geelong
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Melbourne
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 8/10/05
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Mon, 10 October 2005 23:04
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| thechuckster wrote on Mon, 10 October 2005 16:07 |
| ajmor6 wrote on Mon, 10 October 2005 09:29 |
Apart from being above oil line level (how do you determin that by the way?) What is the best position for the oil return pipe in the sump? (front, middle or back). Would it make sense to have it closer to the oil pump?
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Best spot would be underneath the crank scraper but as far above the full-oil line and not likely to be temporarirly blocked off if the car/engine was at a significant lean.
Usually you want th oil drain to be a simple path from the turbo, so i'd let that dictate the entry postition, not the proximity to the pickup.
As for how measuring where the full line is:
-drain engine oil (while warm) and store
-remove sump
-pour oil back into sump
-look at full level of sump and then go 'up a bit'.
Alternatively, you could simply accurately note the amount of oil drained, dump that, then when removing the sump at your convenience you use same volume of water or another liquid.
highly scientific, hey?
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Very highly scientific, thanks for guide!
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Melbourne
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 8/10/05
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Mon, 10 October 2005 23:18
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hurricane: did you try run the "IN" oil line around the back of the sump? Was there any other way you could do it or was straight over the top the only option? Just checking if there was a more aesthetically appealing route? (might look better hidden if you were concerned?).
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Melbourne
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October 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 8/10/05
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Tue, 11 October 2005 00:18
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haha somehow I don't think asthetics come into this 
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geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 8/10/05
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Tue, 11 October 2005 09:14
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i could of ran it any were i wanted to i geuss i would of looked better if i ran it around the back or some thing like that, but i put it over the top because it was the easyest path to run it.
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Melbourne
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 8/10/05
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Sun, 16 October 2005 23:29
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have you got the car running yet? how is it going?
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geelong
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 8/10/05
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Mon, 17 October 2005 21:25
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yeah i havent got it going, i bort a KE20 and have been getting it ready to be reged i might to so more this weekend
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parra
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June 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 8/10/05
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Tue, 18 October 2005 10:06
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this is awesome!
i cant wait to see how she runs when its all done..
reminds me of bush mechanics... that show was great!
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geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 8/10/05
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Sun, 23 October 2005 11:29
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i go some time on my hands know so i started workin on the TA.
i relocated the battery to the right hand side of the car so i could get the carby and air box into the space were it was. For the battery cables i just made up new ones and ran them under the radiator were the wireing loom runs.
I also made up a support for the manifold you guys said to make, so now it souldnt sag at all. i hope
WHAT DO YOU THINK, I KNOW ITS NOT MUTCH BUT MORE IS ON THE WAY.
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geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 23/10/05
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Mon, 24 October 2005 01:53
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so do you guys think that the support will do the job.
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 23/10/05
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Mon, 24 October 2005 02:37
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as long as the intermediate spacer bit doesn't sag after being heated up, it should do the job.
cheers,
charles.
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geelong
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Melbourne
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 23/10/05
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Tue, 25 October 2005 00:45
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hahahaha thats great!!!!!!!! 
How was the performance side of things or didn't you get that far?
Definately make a video! Now and after as long as you re-decorate the dirt road with snakeys and donuts!!!!!! 
What have you got left to do now?
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Melbourne
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 23/10/05
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Wed, 26 October 2005 01:49
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got me stumped on that one. Someone here will know how.
ANYONE KNOW HOW?????
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 23/10/05
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Sun, 30 October 2005 21:59
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that looks sweet!
How did you find the welding? What type of welder did you use?
Also, where are you putting the carbi? Push through or suck through?
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geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 23/10/05
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Mon, 31 October 2005 01:46
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sorry. gas research carb/throttle body...
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geelong
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 23/10/05
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Mon, 31 October 2005 01:53
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OH i see, so are you going to run it on straight gas
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Arthurs Creek, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 23/10/05
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Mon, 31 October 2005 02:35
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Don't bank on your gas systems working straight off the bat mate....
have you got your lock off valves working properly?
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 23/10/05
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Mon, 31 October 2005 08:36
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valves? try valve. and yes.
the gas bit is the easy bit
(my best mate is a gas installer)
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Melbourne
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 23/10/05
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Thu, 03 November 2005 05:58
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Well, where are ya up to now champ?
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 23/10/05
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Sun, 13 November 2005 22:06
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What are you up to?
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Melbourne
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August 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 23/10/05
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Mon, 21 November 2005 04:07
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BUMP
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geelong
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August 2005
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On Probation
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launceston tas
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March 2005
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 23/10/05
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Sun, 04 December 2005 12:46
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hey man about the brake booster vacume you could always go into the top of the rocker cover like this
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July 2003
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 23/10/05
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Sun, 04 December 2005 12:54
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hurricane - looking good, it might pay to brace the carby from another point off the engine to to take some load off the front of the turbo. If you are taking vacuum from the suction side of the turbo, after the throttle plate, then you are set...
ke30king - I must admit I seriously doubt that sourcing vacuum from the rocker cover would work imho. However, i'd love to be proven wrong
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 23/10/05
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Sun, 04 December 2005 12:58
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man i dunno if it works but i have seen plent of people doing it so oh well if some one wantas to try it the go for it
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geelong
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 4/12/05
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Sun, 04 December 2005 13:04
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usualy just from the inlet manifold to the booster
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 23/10/05
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Sun, 04 December 2005 13:48
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| hurricane wrote on Sun, 04 December 2005 22:40 |
1 IM goin to run the vacum for the brake booster and stuff from the out of the top of the pipe, can any one see any problem with doing that?
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is how mine was setup - my adaptor had 2 holes so i had separate lines for brakes & dizzi vacuum.
do not rely on the crankcase providing any meaningful vacuum - when you are boosting the engine, crankcase will be under pressure fro mteh massive amount of blowby you'll generate.
That setup posted above would simply result in the booster slow filling with oil.
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2 Does any one think that the carby is hanging out to far? or is in a bad spot?
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like they said ... try to brace the carbi off the turbine housing - my adaptor had a locating ring, as did the compressor inlet so the clamp held it very tightly together - yours looks like stright pipe so it will vibrate/shake off (specially if it's a bush basher)
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3 The only pipe i had that was the same size as the inlet of the turbo was gal coated, will that change any thing? like contaminate the fuel that will pass trought it?
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nope - by the time you have any obvious chemical reaction occuring, you will have killed the car
cheers,
charles.
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 4/12/05
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Sun, 04 December 2005 22:09
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Yeah thanks for the info thechuckster.
Ill try and make up a brace to hold the carby. What do you mean about "my adaptor had a locating ring, as did the compressor inlet" could that be a posibillity for me?
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Re: turboing TA22 - Updated 4/12/05
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Mon, 05 December 2005 00:32
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| hurricane wrote on Mon, 05 December 2005 08:09 |
Ill try and make up a brace to hold the carby. What do you mean about "my adaptor had a locating ring, as did the compressor inlet" could that be a posibillity for me?
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if you look at the compressor inlet (pic 1) and the carbi (pic 2) you'll notice both have a raised, square-profile ridge. I had a t-clamp that instead of have a flat clamping face, had folded edges that clipped over both ridges, firmly locating the carbi flush with mouth of the carbi.
End result was a firmly-grasped carbi with no leaks at that flange (unlike other places like wastegate and turbo flanges).
pic 1: compressor (a bit oversized for an 18R)
pic 2: carbi (aka fuel-waster)
cheers,
Charles.
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