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Re: 22R-E rooted, need fixing Mon, 21 April 2003 12:42 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
celicaboy wrote on Mon, 21 April 2003 20:23

...the old crassida's are round the same size as the ra40,ra60/5 celica and theys eem to hendle well with the ol 5m in it or 6m and they are not that much heavier the mk2 supras are just a celica with a longer nose and 6 cylinder engine and they seem to do well with its firmer suspension.


A few points: Mk2 Supras, Cressidas etc have a longer wheelbase than a celica. So, in terms on the whole car, the engine isn't simply 'further forward'. In a Supra, the rest of the mass of the car is also further back. Think 240z or old jag.

You can't have it both ways: by your logic, if a mk2 supra (with an M-series) does fine, and a supra is just a celica with a longer nose and bigger engine... then a celica with a 7m should handle just fine. And you're not saying that at all.

I am not convinced that a Supra has 'stiffer suspension' than a celica. The free length at the front is longer, but it compresses to about the same ride height once installed. (if you put Supra front springs in a celica, you end up raising it). And the rear factory springs are interchangeable - althought some aftermarket places, such as King Springs have a slightly different part # between the Celica and Supra springs to take account of the longer wheelbase, heavier car etc.

If it really was as simple as changing the rates front and back, engineers wouldn't have such a time developing a car's handling and roadholding. Sure it may help, but it ain't the same thing. Driving mid-engined car (say a Mk1 MR2) is supposed to be a LOT different to a front-engine-rwd car for exactly the same reasons we're talking about.


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