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justcallmefrank Forums Junkie I supported Toymods Location: Perth Registered: May 2002	Re: 1jz into ra60? Mon, 09 June 2003 09:57 I'm not looking for a fight here, I'm just going to offer my opinion. If it were me, I'd be inclined to drop a 1G in there. Here are a few pics I gathered up for comparison, I hope you don't mind Nark and Norbie and SkidMan This first one is of how much room a 1G has in my XX. http://users.bigpond.net.au/justcallmefrank/1geu1. jpg For a direct comparison, this is how much room Norbie has with his 2JZGTE. http://norbie.net/Project2JZ/FinishingTouches/Engi ne02.jpg As you can see, there is a fair bit of difference, given that they have the same block length as the 1GGTE and 1JZGTE respectively. This is the reason, generally, that I think a 1JZGTE into a Mk2 Supra is a fine idea, there is a fair bit of room in the bay. The only reasons I chose a 1GGTE for my XX is the fact it makes more than enough power to keep me happy for the moment, and could be done for a lot less than the 1JZGTE conversion. The reasons for this are: - The R154 doesn't fit without some modifications into the A6X transmission tunnel, doesn't line up, and generally manual half-cuts are rarer and/or more expensive. - Finding a 2JZGE W58 and bellhousing was something I neither have the time nor the motivation for. - As my car already has a 1GEU, everything bolts straight up pretty much. But thats besides the main issue, this discussion is about a RA60. The RA60's 21R-C has been pointed out by many as a tiny bit heavier than the 1GGTE, or about the same. The difference is in the length. There is extra weight in front of the axle which is the biggest problem. There is a reason car manufacturers try to centralise the weight between the axles, the common thing of a wheel at each corner demonstrates this. I've got a pic to link to on Nark's site, but its not working atm, so I'll try later. For now, I'll just basically describe the fact that there is a finger and a bit room between the absolute front of the engine and the radiator. Here is a pic I dug up of SkidMans RA65. As you can see, yes, the engine is sitting where the radiator should be. To me, whats the point of putting in an engine that sits so far forward of the front axle? Sure the 1JZGTE will be quicker, but if you think the handling won't be adversely affected then I bow to you for defying the laws of physics. Thats all well and good that the 1JZGTE can be mounted further back too, its been done before as well, Toysport in the USA put a 2JZGTE in their RA65...problem is, they moved the firewall to do it. Take a look at Narks 1GGTE: http://www.toymods.org.au/Nark_Gallery/Engine.JPG there isn't room to mount it any further back anyway. I understand you've had lots of experience with the engines, but how much of them was with the A6X Celica chassis, because these pics show its not the simplest thing in the world? Just food for thought, and my opinion on the subject. The 1GGTE in my eyes is a better option. The 1JZGTE sure will fit, but is it worth the trade-offs? As I said at the top, I'm not looking for a fight, and generally I respect your opinion on all of these matters, but I felt in the case of the car in question that you might have it a bit wrong. As for the MX5 with the 1UZFE, I'm assuming you are talking about the Bullet Roadster. I can assure you there isn't a lot of MX5 left in the front of that car, they have fully rebuilt the chassis, and from memory, actually lengthened the wheelbase slightly. http://www.bulletsupercars.com.au/showroom/Gallery /images/spaceframe4.jpg Thanks, Nathan [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	1jz into ra60?	RA60_Celica	Sun, 08 June 2003 10:52
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	Intensevil	Sun, 08 June 2003 11:11
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	celicamad	Sun, 08 June 2003 12:31
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	Nark	Mon, 09 June 2003 01:43
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	RA60_Celica	Mon, 09 June 2003 03:41
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	Intensevil	Sun, 08 June 2003 13:43
	Re: 1jz into ra60?		Mon, 09 June 2003 02:14
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	Nark	Mon, 09 June 2003 02:49
	Re: 1jz into ra60?		Mon, 09 June 2003 02:15
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	gianttomato	Mon, 09 June 2003 02:28
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	celicamad	Mon, 09 June 2003 04:03
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	RA60_Celica	Mon, 09 June 2003 04:34
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	Nark	Mon, 09 June 2003 10:12
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	draven	Mon, 09 June 2003 04:31
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 June 2003 09:57
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	draven	Mon, 09 June 2003 10:07
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 June 2003 10:09
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	SkiDMaN	Mon, 09 June 2003 11:01
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	celicamad	Mon, 09 June 2003 22:33
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	justcallmefrank	Tue, 10 June 2003 00:48
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	Norbie	Tue, 10 June 2003 00:48
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	ed_ma61	Tue, 10 June 2003 01:11
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	RA60_Celica	Tue, 10 June 2003 09:13
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	celicamad	Tue, 10 June 2003 10:56
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	draven	Tue, 10 June 2003 11:50
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	RA60_Celica	Tue, 10 June 2003 12:25

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