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Nark Forums Junkie Location: Cabramatta, NSW Registered: May 2002	Re: 1jz into ra60? Mon, 09 June 2003 10:12 celicamad wrote on Mon, 09 June 2003 14:03 The gearbox weight is rear of the front wheels .adding weight forward of the front wheels is what has the biggest effect in the actual handling The gearbox is still in front of the centre of the car, which means its weight does not counterbalance the extra weight of the engine. celicamad wrote on Mon, 09 June 2003 14:03 so how can anyone that hasnt actually ever measured this engine .never attempted to fit has never weighed one . or even seen one in an ra60 comment on the handling . You don't need to measure two engines to have an idea of their relative sizes. Common sense would tell you that replacing a 4 with a 6 (especially if they both weighed the same) will put more weight forward due to the increased length of the 6. celicamad wrote on Mon, 09 June 2003 14:03 how do you know its harder have you even tried it or serioulsly looked at it obviuosly not you havent even measured one I've seen how the air con pulley was sitting about 3mm from my radiator (with marks left behind when the engine had moved), and I can tell you that it would be a more difficult conversion just form that. Also moving the radiator forward would move even more weight toward the front end. You don't need to measure an engine to tell the difficulty of the swap FFS. celicamad wrote on Mon, 09 June 2003 14:03 as far as how much differnce an extra 20 kg would make in the front of a car ...well you obviuosly have never even experimented with this . CONTRARY to your wild guess on weight distribution .removing the battery (11 kg) fitting and all allloy radiator saved 2 kg .removing a section of the front bumper about 2 kg saving .so actually lightening VERY forward of the front wheels .and 11kg was all on one side . made absolultey no difference to the handling what so ever Sorry, but I find it hard to believe that removing 11kgs from the extreme front of the car would not affect handling. Nothing personal, but it's one of those things that have to be seen to be believed due to the fact that a couple of laws of physics would have to be broken. celicamad wrote on Mon, 09 June 2003 14:03 It still amazes me how people can form an opinion on an engine conversion based on a wild guess of engine weight ,lenghth ,positioning and physical geometry The whole idea of these forums is to help other people to make the correct choice .and give them advice that will guide their decision of which engine and the difficulty of conversions etc I Think it is irresponsible for someone to give advice on a conversion they have NEVER done NEVER seen AND NEVER even Made basic measurments to see how well it would work So you're saying that it's impossible to tell whether something will work or not unless you've tried it? At the end of the day, it still comes to personal choices. I've met someone who's got a 302 in his RA23 and thinks the handling is fine... I've also met people who tell me I've ruined the handling of my car by putting the 1G in there. [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	1jz into ra60?	RA60_Celica	Sun, 08 June 2003 10:52
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	Intensevil	Sun, 08 June 2003 11:11
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	celicamad	Sun, 08 June 2003 12:31
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	Nark	Mon, 09 June 2003 01:43
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	RA60_Celica	Mon, 09 June 2003 03:41
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	Intensevil	Sun, 08 June 2003 13:43
	Re: 1jz into ra60?		Mon, 09 June 2003 02:14
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	Nark	Mon, 09 June 2003 02:49
	Re: 1jz into ra60?		Mon, 09 June 2003 02:15
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	gianttomato	Mon, 09 June 2003 02:28
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	celicamad	Mon, 09 June 2003 04:03
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	RA60_Celica	Mon, 09 June 2003 04:34
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	Nark	Mon, 09 June 2003 10:12
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	draven	Mon, 09 June 2003 04:31
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 June 2003 09:57
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	draven	Mon, 09 June 2003 10:07
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 June 2003 10:09
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	SkiDMaN	Mon, 09 June 2003 11:01
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	celicamad	Mon, 09 June 2003 22:33
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	justcallmefrank	Tue, 10 June 2003 00:48
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	Norbie	Tue, 10 June 2003 00:48
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	ed_ma61	Tue, 10 June 2003 01:11
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	RA60_Celica	Tue, 10 June 2003 09:13
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	celicamad	Tue, 10 June 2003 10:56
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	draven	Tue, 10 June 2003 11:50
	Re: 1jz into ra60?	RA60_Celica	Tue, 10 June 2003 12:25

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