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justcallmefrank Forums Junkie I supported Toymods Location: Perth Registered: May 2002	Re: modifying rotaries Wed, 11 June 2003 09:34 I really didn't want to get into this but the way you are dancing around the point instead of acknowledging celicamad's argument is pissing everybody off... What you seem to not understand is you're not comparing engines at all...you're comparing cars. How can you compare a full-bodied Cressida with a 1JZGTE (effectively a JZX80 Chaser), with a 13B with a big huffer thats been shoved in a light-as old Corolla or something? Thats not comparing engines at all, thats comparing cars, start comparing apples to apples if you want a conducive argument. You're missing the point to about circuit cars and street cars. Sure, a factory Series VI-VIII RX7 is an awesome car, no doubt about that. Strap a big huffer, give it some porting and the gear to push 500hp+ and see the drivability of it turn to shit. Damn, I know I'd rather be driving around a 500hp 2JZGTE than a 500hp 13B, torque...whats that? The 20B as Ed said is the exception to the rule, because effectively it is a large capacity engine. Not everything is about running in straight lines, you wanna come to a forum, piss everyone and argue for the sake of it, do it somewhere else. If you wanna make one point, and don't harp on without making a valid contribution then fine. Start comparing apples to apples when you are going to bitch about how cool your rotor is. I'm all for rotors, when in stock or close to stock form they are awesome, and with a big huffer they are awesome on the track, they (13B) just miss out on the low-end torque that the 2JZGTE or any larger capacity engine can deliver (20B). Sure, you can make a 1GGTE go hard for example, but once again, get it up to 500hp, wheres the drivability gone? End rant. [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	modifying rotaries	haynzmann	Fri, 30 May 2003 16:43
	Re: modifying rotaries	Jason	Fri, 30 May 2003 22:30
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicaboy	Sat, 31 May 2003 03:02
	Re: modifying rotaries	oldcorollas	Sat, 31 May 2003 12:42
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicamad	Sun, 01 June 2003 09:53
	Re: modifying rotaries	toycelica77	Sun, 01 June 2003 11:06
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicaboy	Sun, 01 June 2003 11:53
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicamad	Mon, 02 June 2003 10:55
	Re: modifying rotaries	The_Don	Tue, 10 June 2003 01:02
	Re: modifying rotaries	10sec_rx7	Tue, 10 June 2003 01:11
	Re: modifying rotaries	oldcorollas	Tue, 10 June 2003 02:51
	Re: modifying rotaries	10sec_rx7	Tue, 10 June 2003 02:57
	Re: modifying rotaries	thefastj	Mon, 02 June 2003 12:12
	Re: modifying rotaries	FLU77R	Mon, 02 June 2003 15:20
	Re: modifying rotaries	rotatr	Fri, 06 June 2003 10:28
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicaboy	Fri, 06 June 2003 11:23
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicamad	Fri, 06 June 2003 12:17
	Re: modifying rotaries	thefastj	Fri, 06 June 2003 12:38
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicaboy	Sat, 07 June 2003 01:47
	Re: modifying rotaries	rotatr	Fri, 06 June 2003 12:56
	Re: modifying rotaries	rotatr	Fri, 06 June 2003 13:15
	Re: modifying rotaries	FLU77R	Fri, 06 June 2003 13:41
	Re: modifying rotaries	rotatr	Fri, 06 June 2003 13:50
	Re: modifying rotaries	Blaze	Sat, 07 June 2003 04:44
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicaboy	Sat, 07 June 2003 07:33
	Re: modifying rotaries	toycelica77	Sat, 07 June 2003 05:11
	Re: modifying rotaries	Intensevil	Sat, 07 June 2003 05:47
	Re: modifying rotaries	rotatr	Sat, 07 June 2003 08:25
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicaboy	Sat, 07 June 2003 10:06
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicamad	Sat, 07 June 2003 11:33
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicaboy	Sun, 08 June 2003 03:54
	Re: modifying rotaries	oldcorollas	Sun, 08 June 2003 08:45
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicaboy	Sun, 08 June 2003 10:55
	Re: modifying rotaries	toycelica77	Sun, 08 June 2003 11:09
	Re: modifying rotaries	Rolla Boy	Sat, 07 June 2003 08:58
	Re: modifying rotaries	Intensevil	Sat, 07 June 2003 14:09
	Re: modifying rotaries	toycelica77	Sun, 08 June 2003 09:11
	Re: modifying rotaries	10sec_rx7	Mon, 09 June 2003 22:58
	Re: modifying rotaries	toycelica77	Tue, 10 June 2003 09:45
	Re: modifying rotaries	thefastj	Sat, 07 June 2003 14:24
	Re: modifying rotaries	Intensevil	Sun, 08 June 2003 11:07
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicaboy	Sun, 08 June 2003 11:35
	Re: modifying rotaries	gianttomato	Sun, 08 June 2003 13:17
	Re: modifying rotaries	Rolla Boy	Sun, 08 June 2003 11:09
	Re: modifying rotaries	rotatr	Sun, 08 June 2003 12:36
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicamad	Sun, 08 June 2003 13:12
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicamad	Sun, 08 June 2003 13:18
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicaboy	Sun, 08 June 2003 23:06
	Re: modifying rotaries		Sun, 08 June 2003 13:09
	Re: modifying rotaries		Sun, 08 June 2003 13:23
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicamad	Sun, 08 June 2003 13:26
	Re: modifying rotaries	rotatr	Sun, 08 June 2003 13:34
	Re: modifying rotaries		Sun, 08 June 2003 13:43
	Re: modifying rotaries	rotatr	Sun, 08 June 2003 13:55
	Re: modifying rotaries	Intensevil	Sun, 08 June 2003 23:32
	Re: modifying rotaries		Sun, 08 June 2003 23:58
	Re: modifying rotaries		Mon, 09 June 2003 00:16
	Re: modifying rotaries	Purple_Beasty	Mon, 09 June 2003 00:34
	Re: modifying rotaries	fj20	Mon, 09 June 2003 01:22
	Re: modifying rotaries		Mon, 09 June 2003 01:40
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicaboy	Mon, 09 June 2003 02:49
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicamad	Mon, 09 June 2003 05:50
	Re: modifying rotaries	rotatr	Mon, 09 June 2003 05:30
	Re: modifying rotaries	oldcorollas	Mon, 09 June 2003 05:47
	Re: modifying rotaries	rotatr	Mon, 09 June 2003 06:02
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicamad	Mon, 09 June 2003 07:46
	Re: modifying rotaries	BlackSupra	Mon, 09 June 2003 07:56
	'street registered' 2JZGTEs	gianttomato	Mon, 09 June 2003 07:56
	Re: 'street registered' 2JZGTEs	gianttomato	Mon, 09 June 2003 08:11
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicaboy	Mon, 09 June 2003 09:08
	Re: modifying rotaries	fj20	Mon, 09 June 2003 06:27
	Re: modifying rotaries	pro_ke	Mon, 09 June 2003 06:51
	Re: modifying rotaries	rotatr	Mon, 09 June 2003 07:00
	Re: modifying rotaries	gianttomato	Mon, 09 June 2003 07:36
	Re: modifying rotaries	Intensevil	Mon, 09 June 2003 08:15
	Re: modifying rotaries		Mon, 09 June 2003 08:33
	Re: modifying rotaries	fj20	Mon, 09 June 2003 09:07
	Re: modifying rotaries	pro_ke	Mon, 09 June 2003 08:49
	Re: modifying rotaries	gianttomato	Mon, 09 June 2003 08:57
	Re: modifying rotaries	pro_ke	Mon, 09 June 2003 08:58
	Re: modifying rotaries	gianttomato	Mon, 09 June 2003 09:19
	Re: modifying rotaries	BlackSupra	Mon, 09 June 2003 09:48
	Re: modifying rotaries	gianttomato	Mon, 09 June 2003 10:15
	Re: modifying rotaries	gianttomato	Mon, 09 June 2003 10:16
	Re: modifying rotaries	BlackSupra	Mon, 09 June 2003 11:01
	Re: modifying rotaries	pro_ke	Mon, 09 June 2003 13:35
	Re: modifying rotaries	gianttomato	Mon, 09 June 2003 23:26
	Re: modifying rotaries	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 June 2003 14:39
	Re: modifying rotaries	bedev	Tue, 10 June 2003 06:27
	Re: modifying rotaries		Tue, 10 June 2003 08:02
	Re: modifying rotaries	bedev	Tue, 10 June 2003 10:14
	Re: modifying rotaries	rotatr	Tue, 10 June 2003 10:20
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicamad	Tue, 10 June 2003 12:45
	Re: modifying rotaries	10sec_rx7	Tue, 10 June 2003 22:54
	Re: modifying rotaries		Tue, 10 June 2003 11:44
	Re: modifying rotaries	10sec_rx7	Tue, 10 June 2003 22:31
	Re: modifying rotaries	toycelica77	Wed, 11 June 2003 02:37
	Re: modifying rotaries	bedev	Tue, 10 June 2003 12:35
	Re: modifying rotaries	bedev	Tue, 10 June 2003 12:40
	Re: modifying rotaries		Tue, 10 June 2003 13:10
	Re: modifying rotaries	bedev	Tue, 10 June 2003 22:33
	Re: modifying rotaries	10sec_rx7	Tue, 10 June 2003 22:35
	Re: modifying rotaries	gianttomato	Tue, 10 June 2003 22:49
	Re: modifying rotaries	10sec_rx7	Tue, 10 June 2003 23:02
	Re: modifying rotaries	10sec_rx7	Tue, 10 June 2003 22:57
	Re: modifying rotaries		Wed, 11 June 2003 01:18
	Re: modifying rotaries	10sec_rx7	Wed, 11 June 2003 01:25
	Re: modifying rotaries	Helmann	Wed, 11 June 2003 04:10
	Re: modifying rotaries	10sec_rx7	Wed, 11 June 2003 05:27
	Re: modifying rotaries	toycelica77	Wed, 11 June 2003 06:26
	Re: modifying rotaries	biased99	Wed, 11 June 2003 06:35
	Re: modifying rotaries	ed_ma61	Wed, 11 June 2003 07:55
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicaboy	Wed, 11 June 2003 08:19
	Re: modifying rotaries	bedev	Wed, 11 June 2003 09:23
	Re: modifying rotaries	justcallmefrank	Wed, 11 June 2003 09:34
	Re: modifying rotaries	pro_ke	Wed, 11 June 2003 09:44
	Re: modifying rotaries	ed_ma61	Wed, 11 June 2003 16:52
	Re: modifying rotaries	bedev	Wed, 11 June 2003 23:16
	Re: modifying rotaries	ed_ma61	Thu, 12 June 2003 00:19
	Re: modifying rotaries	BlackSupra	Thu, 12 June 2003 00:31
	Re: modifying rotaries	lang	Wed, 11 June 2003 08:14
	Re: modifying rotaries	justcallmefrank	Wed, 11 June 2003 09:37
	Re: modifying rotaries	justcallmefrank	Wed, 11 June 2003 09:42
	Re: modifying rotaries	justcallmefrank	Wed, 11 June 2003 09:57
	Re: modifying rotaries	gianttomato	Wed, 11 June 2003 10:37
	Re: modifying rotaries	biased99	Wed, 11 June 2003 23:20
	Re: modifying rotaries	blackRA28	Wed, 11 June 2003 10:58
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicamad	Wed, 11 June 2003 13:39
	Re: modifying rotaries	10sec_rx7	Wed, 11 June 2003 22:23
	Re: modifying rotaries	thefastj	Thu, 12 June 2003 00:53
	Re: modifying rotaries	thefastj	Thu, 12 June 2003 01:01
	Re: modifying rotaries	10sec_rx7	Thu, 12 June 2003 01:11
	Re: modifying rotaries	Shteeve	Thu, 12 June 2003 04:47
	Re: modifying rotaries	oldcorollas	Thu, 12 June 2003 05:15
	Re: modifying rotaries	10sec_rx7	Thu, 12 June 2003 05:20
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicamad	Thu, 12 June 2003 08:53
	Re: modifying rotaries	10sec_rx7	Thu, 12 June 2003 22:19
	Re: modifying rotaries	Nark	Fri, 13 June 2003 06:59
	be aware of the forum rules	DannyGT4	Thu, 12 June 2003 05:00
	Re: modifying rotaries	rotatr	Thu, 12 June 2003 09:05
	Re: modifying rotaries	TwinTurboCelica	Thu, 12 June 2003 16:07
	Re: modifying rotaries	THE WITZL	Fri, 13 June 2003 08:57
	Re: modifying rotaries	celicamad	Fri, 13 June 2003 09:26
	Re: modifying rotaries	ed_ma61	Fri, 13 June 2003 09:28
	Re: modifying rotaries	gianttomato	Fri, 13 June 2003 09:44
	Re: modifying rotaries	79rollaboy	Tue, 23 September 2003 06:12
	Re: modifying rotaries	gianttomato	Tue, 23 September 2003 06:24
	Re: modifying rotaries	10sec_rx7	Wed, 26 November 2003 21:31
	Re: modifying rotaries	onejayzed	Fri, 28 November 2003 07:46

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