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ra23celica Forums Junkie Registered: November 2002	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes Wed, 23 July 2003 23:59 Time for me to jump back in here and say thanks for all the informative comments, info and photo's. Just some data I have from my garage floor: RA23 std rear axle complete weighs 62kg. RN25 axle with open centre diff weighs 81kg. Taking the open centre out and weighing it, 21kg. Weighing the LSD centre 26kg, 5kg more than the open one. Fitting the LSD and the axle now weighs 86kg, a difference of 24kg over the original set up or some 39%. Drum brakes still on the Hilux axle. I have no problems with the unsprung weight comments but I believe my lightweight alloy rims, Koni sport shorts and Lovells heavy duty springs can account for this increase in weight and 'handle' it properly. Converting to disks would also reduce the weight difference. You would have to be crazy to consider a rear axle change without modified / improved suspension to accompany it. The weight arguement always crops up when you start talking axle conversions and mention the word 'Hilux'. 24kg is not a big price to pay. If you want strength, performance, durability, ease of repair (if its ever required again) on a budget, then there will always be a compromise, and in this case it is weight. If your budget is unlimited, then you can custom make out of lightweight high strength materials and or buy expensive rare components. T series LSD's are as rare as, expensive ($3000 ???!!!), and still let down by the small axles. The Hilux LSD centre is only 5kg more than the open Hilux centre, and bigger pinions and crown wheels will always weigh more; remember you are moving to 8inch equipment from your original 6.7inch set-up. IIRC S13 axles measure 1365mm and are limited by their choice of LSD's, only 2 I think, in ratios of 3.65 and 4.25. I don't know how 'strong' they are. I think the F series route is worth looking at providing you can get an LSD in the ratio you want, but you may still have to shorten the thing. Add to it for me that the Police in WA are not keen on shortened axles and the Hilux route is really the only choice left open. And I have never heard a complaint from anyone running a Hilux rear end. The famous B/W diff whine still haunts some Skyline owners. Going back to weight for a second, that came up on another list with the Corona/Hilux/Pug front strut vented rotors 4 pot caliper conversion. I did this swap last year. Standard RA23 front strut weighs 21kg, the C/H/P combo weighs 23kg; 2kg more or less than a 10% increase. Again, my suspension mods and lightweight wheels more than account for this difference in unsprung weight. Modification is always a compromise, you must decide on what you are prepared to accept. Mitch. [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	ra23celica	Wed, 09 July 2003 14:03
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gianttomato	Wed, 09 July 2003 20:03
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	TurboRA28	Wed, 09 July 2003 22:55
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gianttomato	Wed, 09 July 2003 23:28
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	ddeane	Thu, 10 July 2003 03:22
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	ra23celica	Mon, 21 July 2003 00:03
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	ra23celica	Mon, 21 July 2003 00:04
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gianttomato	Mon, 21 July 2003 00:53
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	ra23celica	Mon, 21 July 2003 01:09
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Bugman	Mon, 21 July 2003 01:03
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	trent_kershaw	Mon, 21 July 2003 02:10
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gianttomato	Mon, 21 July 2003 02:54
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Cool1	Wed, 23 July 2003 08:35
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Allan	Wed, 23 July 2003 09:22
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Norbie	Mon, 21 July 2003 04:43
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gianttomato	Mon, 21 July 2003 09:23
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Norbie	Mon, 21 July 2003 11:57
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gianttomato	Mon, 21 July 2003 23:16
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	ra23celica	Tue, 22 July 2003 00:59
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Cool1	Tue, 22 July 2003 03:00
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gianttomato	Tue, 22 July 2003 03:23
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Cool1	Tue, 22 July 2003 04:13
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	TurboRA28	Tue, 22 July 2003 04:18
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gianttomato	Tue, 22 July 2003 05:26
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Cool1	Tue, 22 July 2003 05:34
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	TurboRA28	Tue, 22 July 2003 05:54
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Cool1	Tue, 22 July 2003 06:46
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	hiaaa	Tue, 22 July 2003 10:29
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	TurboRA28	Tue, 22 July 2003 10:42
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	TurboRA28	Tue, 22 July 2003 10:45
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Cool1	Tue, 22 July 2003 11:17
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Yeeehah	Tue, 22 July 2003 11:14
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	TurboRA28	Tue, 22 July 2003 11:22
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	TurboRA28	Tue, 22 July 2003 11:24
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Cool1	Tue, 22 July 2003 11:26
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	TurboRA28	Tue, 22 July 2003 11:29
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	TurboRA28	Tue, 22 July 2003 11:32
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Cool1	Tue, 22 July 2003 11:35
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Allan	Tue, 22 July 2003 12:10
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gianttomato	Tue, 22 July 2003 13:41
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gold28	Tue, 22 July 2003 21:33
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	TurboRA28	Tue, 22 July 2003 23:12
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Norbie	Tue, 22 July 2003 23:25
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	TurboRA28	Tue, 22 July 2003 23:44
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	TurboRA28	Tue, 22 July 2003 23:50
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gianttomato	Wed, 23 July 2003 00:15
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	wilbo666	Wed, 24 September 2003 10:54
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	ddeane	Wed, 23 July 2003 00:06
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gold28	Wed, 23 July 2003 03:28
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Cool1	Wed, 23 July 2003 06:47
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gold28	Wed, 23 July 2003 09:17
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Cool1	Wed, 23 July 2003 09:30
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	ra23celica	Wed, 23 July 2003 23:59
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Johnny	Thu, 24 July 2003 03:47
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	ra23celica	Thu, 24 July 2003 04:01
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Steve M	Sat, 26 July 2003 14:37
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gianttomato	Sat, 26 July 2003 23:11
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Allan	Sat, 26 July 2003 23:17
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Cool1	Sun, 27 July 2003 00:51
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Cool1	Sat, 16 August 2003 10:58
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Allan	Sat, 16 August 2003 22:51
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Cool1	Sun, 27 July 2003 02:37
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gianttomato	Sun, 27 July 2003 02:40
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	ra23celica	Mon, 28 July 2003 06:24
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Nark	Mon, 28 July 2003 07:20
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	ra23celica	Mon, 28 July 2003 07:23
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Nark	Mon, 28 July 2003 07:28
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gianttomato	Mon, 28 July 2003 07:30
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Allan	Mon, 28 July 2003 08:35
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Nark	Mon, 28 July 2003 23:35
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	rob_RA40	Tue, 29 July 2003 00:26
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gianttomato	Tue, 29 July 2003 00:52
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Allan	Tue, 29 July 2003 13:44
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	ra23celica	Wed, 30 July 2003 01:13
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Cool1	Sun, 27 July 2003 02:44
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Cool1	Sun, 27 July 2003 07:47
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Simon-AE86	Tue, 29 July 2003 00:21
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gold28	Tue, 29 July 2003 03:29
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Simon-AE86	Tue, 29 July 2003 03:44
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	justcallmefrank	Tue, 29 July 2003 03:47
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Simon-AE86	Tue, 29 July 2003 04:00
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Norbie	Tue, 29 July 2003 04:17
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Nark	Tue, 29 July 2003 03:54
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Simon-AE86	Tue, 29 July 2003 03:57
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Nark	Tue, 29 July 2003 04:01
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	justcallmefrank	Tue, 29 July 2003 00:57
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Nark	Tue, 29 July 2003 02:06
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Simon-AE86	Tue, 29 July 2003 04:03
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Nark	Tue, 29 July 2003 04:06
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Simon-AE86	Tue, 29 July 2003 04:25
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gianttomato	Tue, 29 July 2003 04:33
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Simon-AE86	Tue, 29 July 2003 05:10
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	TurboRA28	Tue, 29 July 2003 05:24
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gianttomato	Tue, 29 July 2003 05:34
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	TurboRA28	Tue, 29 July 2003 05:33
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	rob_RA40	Tue, 29 July 2003 05:51
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Simon-AE86	Tue, 29 July 2003 05:54
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	rob_RA40	Tue, 29 July 2003 05:55
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	TurboRA28	Tue, 29 July 2003 06:17
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Cool1	Tue, 29 July 2003 07:40
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Simon-AE86	Wed, 30 July 2003 01:54
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	ra23celica	Wed, 30 July 2003 01:59
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Simon-AE86	Wed, 30 July 2003 02:02
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Cool1	Sun, 17 August 2003 00:54
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Bugman	Tue, 19 August 2003 05:54
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Cool1	Wed, 24 September 2003 09:58
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Allan	Wed, 24 September 2003 11:12
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Cool1	Wed, 24 September 2003 11:15
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Cool1	Wed, 24 September 2003 11:16
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	THE WITZL	Tue, 14 December 2004 05:03
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	rob_RA40	Tue, 14 December 2004 05:12
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	THE WITZL	Tue, 14 December 2004 05:33
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	AE25	Sat, 18 December 2004 02:40
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Celica_John	Sun, 19 December 2004 05:32
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Norbie	Sun, 19 December 2004 05:52
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gianttomato	Sun, 19 December 2004 10:54
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gold28	Tue, 21 December 2004 03:31
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gianttomato	Tue, 21 December 2004 04:10
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	THE WITZL	Sun, 19 December 2004 11:43
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Norbie	Tue, 21 December 2004 13:20
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gold28	Wed, 22 December 2004 05:36
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gianttomato	Wed, 22 December 2004 06:43
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Norbie	Wed, 22 December 2004 08:39
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	bbaacchhyy	Wed, 22 December 2004 21:15
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	slylux	Wed, 22 December 2004 10:22
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	gianttomato	Wed, 22 December 2004 10:34
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	Norbie	Thu, 23 December 2004 07:55
	Re: Hilux Rear Disk Brakes	TA-022	Fri, 24 December 2004 04:50

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