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wastegate Regular Location: Gold Coast Registered: May 2002	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop? Tue, 29 July 2003 22:27 [quote title=Johnny wrote on Wed, 30 July 2003 01:38] Quote: Sorry to inform you there, BUT NO I WASN'T THERE! I stopped over to see Dave about something else when he told me the results 2 days later!! and many things do play a role in bloody 1/4 times, (let's talk track time's? that my goal!) one thing I'd like to know, how much torque did the dam thing have? bet you F/A which = poor 1/4 times. Stock WRX 98 KW 230NM vs 120Kw 100NM, I know straight away who'll win.... both car weigh about the same. Riighht.. You seem to think that power and torque are totally different things. Power is only a derivitive of torque x rpm but I'm sure you know that already. So what was this magical 20v 4A revving to to get 120kw at the wheels?! I would beleave if that is the power at the flywheel. You bring in comp engines that may last only a few hundred race hours to back the claims of the "greatness" and tunablity of a engine. Hell anyone can do that but it's just not comparing apple to oranges now is it. Go play in the dirt with your worked oversized bike engine, be sure though that I don't care Sonny. You also say that alot of factors play into getting a high MPH (Which IS a factor of power!) or infact 1/4mile drag racing, but then you say you want to talk circuit times where AHELL of alot more factors go into it. You can't stand that you just might be wrong so you are starting to throw other factors into the decussion and grasping at straws. Here is some more math for you. Ok say we have this 120kw at the wheels 20v. That is 157kw @ flywheel (using 30% drivetrain loss). Now say we give it a say 130nm of torque (average for a 1.6l engine) using the eq below we can find out how many revs it would need for that power with everything perfect. Torque (Nm) = (Power X 9551) / Speed HP = (130 Nm x XXXX rpm) / 9551 = 157 kw so; RPM = (157 kw x 9551) / 130Nm = 11534 rpm Stock huh? [Updated on: Tue, 29 July 2003 22:30] [Report message to a moderator]

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	how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	AE92poit	Sat, 25 January 2003 14:18
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	pepsicola	Sat, 25 January 2003 14:30
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	pepsicola	Sat, 25 January 2003 14:30
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	pepsicola	Sat, 25 January 2003 14:31
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	juzzo84	Sun, 26 January 2003 00:37
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	bass_boy	Fri, 25 July 2003 02:29
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	7M-Brisbane	Fri, 25 July 2003 04:49
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	gianttomato	Fri, 25 July 2003 04:56
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	juzzo84	Tue, 29 July 2003 07:52
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	nos4ag	Tue, 29 July 2003 09:59
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	Johnny	Tue, 29 July 2003 15:38
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	wastegate	Tue, 29 July 2003 22:27
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	CelicaRA45	Tue, 29 July 2003 23:26
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	-Mark-	Fri, 25 July 2003 06:39
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	EvilJack	Fri, 25 July 2003 08:21
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	-Mark-	Fri, 25 July 2003 13:28
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	7M-Brisbane	Fri, 25 July 2003 10:02
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	7M-Brisbane	Fri, 25 July 2003 13:46
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	-Mark-	Fri, 25 July 2003 13:51
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	roadrunner	Fri, 25 July 2003 14:35
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	-Mark-	Fri, 25 July 2003 14:39
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	bass_boy	Sat, 26 July 2003 02:51
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	-Mark-	Sat, 26 July 2003 04:41
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	bass_boy	Sat, 26 July 2003 06:11
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	-blown20v-	Sat, 26 July 2003 09:42
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	7M-Brisbane	Sat, 26 July 2003 10:38
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	-blown20v-	Sat, 26 July 2003 10:49
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	7M-Brisbane	Sun, 27 July 2003 09:07
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	Johnny	Sun, 27 July 2003 11:25
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	wastegate	Mon, 28 July 2003 10:19
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	CelicaRA45	Mon, 28 July 2003 10:29
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	EMP-2TG	Sun, 27 July 2003 14:48
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	Johnny	Sun, 27 July 2003 23:49
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	ae86drift	Sun, 27 July 2003 15:24
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	seeks	Mon, 28 July 2003 02:55
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	Nark	Mon, 28 July 2003 04:53
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	Mr_Grumpy	Mon, 28 July 2003 06:19
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	7M-Brisbane	Mon, 28 July 2003 10:11
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	gianttomato	Mon, 28 July 2003 10:34
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	wastegate	Mon, 28 July 2003 10:56
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	Seadog	Mon, 28 July 2003 12:31
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	Seadog	Mon, 28 July 2003 12:34
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	EMP-2TG	Mon, 28 July 2003 12:59
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	CelicaRA45	Tue, 29 July 2003 07:22
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	Seadog	Tue, 29 July 2003 23:25
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	wastegate	Tue, 29 July 2003 23:41
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	Johnny	Wed, 30 July 2003 04:07
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	wastegate	Wed, 30 July 2003 05:34
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	Johnny	Thu, 31 July 2003 03:04
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	EMP-2TG	Wed, 30 July 2003 07:31
	Re: how much better is the 20v blacktp than the 20v silvertop?	-Mark-	Wed, 30 July 2003 13:33

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