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YelloRolla Forums Junkie Location: On your mum! Registered: May 2002	Re: Holden Cruze Mon, 15 July 2002 08:26 This'll be a long one coz it just looks too tempting to leave alone! Quote: Holdens are very poor quality! Would you put a 1ggte in a TA22 with out upgrading the brakes? Cause this is what Holden basicly do! And Holdens dont even use Holden made engines! So how can you say that the Holden is a better car than the Ford? If you took the engine away it would be a even more useless peice of crap than it is now. HSV do upgrade their brakes. Try 330mm vented discs and depending on the model, 4 spot brake calipers and the list goes on. Holdens use Chev engines and Holden engines. The V6 was designed by Buick, but is built here. Much like a Ford part is designed in USA or England and made here. The difference is that GM uses different brand names on their parts. The Chev Gen III is available from the Holden dealership in models that aren't HSV. Try the Calais etc. Holden Commodore is marketed as a Chev elsewhere (South Africa and Saudi Arabia as a Chevrolet Lumina). As for being a useless piece of crap and inferior to the T series Ford mmm. Ford is merely trying to play catch-up with the HSV item. The General has the Lions share of the market (no pun intended). Quote: Anyone that really knows anything about the two cars in question would know what i'm talking about! And I dont mean people that think they know what they are about Which are you? one that knows? Or thinks he knows? If the Holden product is so inferior, why is Peter Floyd whipping all comers in the GT Production series in a 300kw Commondore? Yes the TE 50 thing has rarely even come close. Larry Perkins won the last race that a 5 litre Holden contested in the V8 supercars. Bathurst 1997 with the VP. Quote: Just remind me which Holden has/had a chev 305 engine in it ever Try the HK Premier. It was fitted with a 5 Litre Chev. Designated a 307. Quote: How can you call them Ford beaters? The Holdens are not Holdens! And the Fords are not Fords! They are totally different! The body is'nt even the same as the cars you and I would buy! Belive it or not the cars are 2ft wider! The Fords however still use a Ford engine and the Ford Diff! They're not 2 ft wider at all. I am convinced that you have not even seen a V8 supercar. They actually notch the rails in the Holdens to fit the rubber under the guard. Apart from that the body maintains its original lines. The reason that the V8 Supercar governing body allowed Holden to use the Chev is simple. The Ford guys were allowed to use the SVO cylinder heads and Block. This meant that the Ford guys had an unfair advantage. They were allowed access to the United States gear and Holden weren't. They had to let it happen. Would it suit the Ford boys more to have access to Ford SVO USA racing parts and not allow the Holden boys the same advantage? The diffs are a replica of a Ford nine inch. And no components in it come from Ford motor company. Most are made By Ron Harrop, and a probably using Auburn gears or similar. The only Ford thing left is the design. Good for Ford. Quote: If you want to start comparing the HSV with a Ford, you should compare it with one of the T-Series! I know for sure what will come of second best in just about every department! Yes the T-Series is much more expensive but you get a whole lot more! Right! Like I said Peter Floyd (300 kw Holden)is beating the Lancer Evos, Subaru STIs and the Ford TE whatever it is, in the GT Production seies. Quote: Now this is someting you Holden praising people wont be able to comment on! The T-Series will out do the HSV in every category! Except the price tag of course! But we all know why that is. I will refer you back to the GT Production series. I've read the full argument and I think it is great fun. I like Holdens and I've owned a few. I still own one. I avoid driving it whenever I can and I opt for my 1973 HSV eating Corolla anyday. Cool1, a great argument for the Fords but the Idiots amongst us will drive our Holdens. PS. my mothers old 1972 HQ wagon came fitted with a Chev LT 1 from the factory and was never defeated from the lights. Us 4 kids waved bye bye to many 351's. The reason that we had that Holden is cos Ford wouldn't build us an XA wagon with the 351 with all the good gear! May well have been different if they had. [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Wed, 10 July 2002 13:20
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Wed, 10 July 2002 13:23
	Re: Holden Cruze		Thu, 11 July 2002 08:00
	Re: Holden Cruze	Apollo	Sun, 14 July 2002 09:36
	Re: Holden Cruze	SmellyTofu	Thu, 11 July 2002 09:56
	Re: Holden Cruze	Rolla Boy	Thu, 11 July 2002 10:06
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Thu, 11 July 2002 10:59
	Re: Holden Cruze	purpleminiep	Thu, 11 July 2002 11:30
	Re: Holden Cruze	jza70-mel	Thu, 11 July 2002 12:22
	Re: Holden Cruze	Rolla Boy	Thu, 11 July 2002 12:01
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Thu, 11 July 2002 13:01
	Re: Holden Cruze	purpleminiep	Thu, 11 July 2002 13:33
	Re: Holden Cruze	faulksy	Thu, 11 July 2002 14:57
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Thu, 11 July 2002 21:54
	Re: Holden Cruze	HSV_gal	Thu, 11 July 2002 23:20
	Re: Holden Cruze	Redline	Fri, 12 July 2002 00:39
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Fri, 12 July 2002 02:22
	Why that is...	Incredible_Serious	Fri, 12 July 2002 02:35
	Re: Holden Cruze	purpleminiep	Fri, 12 July 2002 03:23
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Fri, 12 July 2002 03:50
	Re: Holden Cruze	HSV_gal	Fri, 12 July 2002 05:11
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Fri, 12 July 2002 05:34
	Re: Holden Cruze	rob_RA40	Fri, 12 July 2002 05:36
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Fri, 12 July 2002 05:37
	Re: Holden Cruze	HSV_gal	Fri, 12 July 2002 05:43
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Fri, 12 July 2002 05:51
	Re: Holden Cruze	HSV_gal	Fri, 12 July 2002 06:00
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Fri, 12 July 2002 06:09
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Fri, 12 July 2002 08:25
	Re: Holden Cruze	Rolla Boy	Fri, 12 July 2002 11:10
	Re: Holden Cruze	lumpy	Fri, 12 July 2002 11:29
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Sun, 14 July 2002 09:44
	Re: Holden Cruze	Classique71	Sun, 14 July 2002 10:05
	Re: Holden Cruze	Sam	Sun, 14 July 2002 10:33
	Re: Holden Cruze	Nark	Mon, 15 July 2002 01:37
	Re: Holden Cruze	Classique71	Mon, 15 July 2002 02:40
	Re: Holden Cruze	jza70-mel	Mon, 15 July 2002 06:44
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Mon, 15 July 2002 07:04
	Re: Holden Cruze	YelloRolla	Mon, 15 July 2002 08:26
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Mon, 15 July 2002 14:01
	Re: Holden Cruze	Nark	Tue, 16 July 2002 01:24
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Tue, 16 July 2002 07:17
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Mon, 15 July 2002 08:51
	Re: Holden Cruze	Classique71	Mon, 15 July 2002 09:21
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Mon, 15 July 2002 09:58
	Re: Holden Cruze	purpleminiep	Mon, 15 July 2002 10:53
	Re: Holden Cruze	biased99	Tue, 16 July 2002 03:18
	Re: Holden Cruze	lumpy	Tue, 16 July 2002 03:46
	Re: Holden Cruze	RA28	Tue, 16 July 2002 10:56
	Re: Holden Cruze	Classique71	Tue, 16 July 2002 12:21
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Tue, 16 July 2002 12:43
	Re: Holden Cruze	Classique71	Tue, 16 July 2002 13:10
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Tue, 16 July 2002 13:23
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Tue, 16 July 2002 23:17
	Re: Holden Cruze	justcallmefrank	Wed, 17 July 2002 02:32
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Wed, 17 July 2002 08:11
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Wed, 17 July 2002 03:13
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:11
	Re: Holden Cruze	justcallmefrank	Wed, 17 July 2002 03:41
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:07
	Re: Holden Cruze	justcallmefrank	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:18
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:23
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:30
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:32
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:35
	Re: Holden Cruze	manipulate	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:36
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:37
	Re: Holden Cruze	justcallmefrank	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:42
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Wed, 17 July 2002 23:58
	Re: Holden Cruze	manipulate	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:44
	Re: Holden Cruze	justcallmefrank	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:48
	Re: Holden Cruze	justcallmefrank	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:49
	Re: Holden Cruze	justcallmefrank	Wed, 17 July 2002 08:19
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Wed, 17 July 2002 23:59
	thread has been locked	DannyGT4	Thu, 18 July 2002 10:54

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