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Classique71 Forums Junkie Location: Colac, Victoria Registered: May 2002	Re: Holden Cruze Mon, 15 July 2002 09:21 Hmms - Just thinking here - I know that the "shell" is used for the cars but the complete interior is reingineered with different rear wheel tubbing clearances/transmission clearances , the drivers position is centred a little more too ( HRT do this im pretty sure for one ) and the engine bay may have modifications for clearances too .. The front guards are bigger -noticibly so to clear the large wheels and so on ( flared out ) , but by no means 2 ft .. Rear quarters are pumped too i think but not by much .. The front bumper looks larger because of the way they are designed with ground effects + cooling in mind - But ive seen ex Grp A bumpers fitted on road cars with no lining up issues. Bum bar Ditto take a run out to DJR and see the machines close up if you want a true idea - or keep an eye on your local Supercheap auto - cause their display car often appears around the weekends a race is on. yellowrolla is right on many accounts BTW - i agree with alot he;s said One thing though re the GT production cars though - The 300Kw GTS's have had 2 yrs of development - the te50 is in its first year - so bug are yet to be ironed out .. In time things shall equal out and nods ford ( tickford ) is playing catch up with HSV for the same reason, mainly cause the guys at Ford HQ had no balls to let their technicians get out the heavy gear and tickford didnt want to produce straight line weapons .. Wheels and Motor have both rated the TE/ts50 a better handling and built package over the HSV clubbie - but it was a tight win HSV will always beat a ford T series in a straight line , but the ford catches up in braking (thanks brembo finally ) and handling ( IRS in the T Series is a superior Unit + more modern same applies for the double wishbones up front) personally Id Buy either car as both are good examples of Local performance tuning and overall are a hell of a lot better built compared to their mainstream ( read SS commodore or XR8 )siblings. then again - you get what you pay for Try comparing a WRX Subaru to its RX underling , Or the Monaro to the GTO and GTS coupes too All in all Ford and holden are getting better in their upmarket performance cars and the better they build their gear , means more jobs for factory workers locally which means they can go out and Buy RZ supras [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Wed, 10 July 2002 13:20
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Wed, 10 July 2002 13:23
	Re: Holden Cruze		Thu, 11 July 2002 08:00
	Re: Holden Cruze	Apollo	Sun, 14 July 2002 09:36
	Re: Holden Cruze	SmellyTofu	Thu, 11 July 2002 09:56
	Re: Holden Cruze	Rolla Boy	Thu, 11 July 2002 10:06
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Thu, 11 July 2002 10:59
	Re: Holden Cruze	purpleminiep	Thu, 11 July 2002 11:30
	Re: Holden Cruze	jza70-mel	Thu, 11 July 2002 12:22
	Re: Holden Cruze	Rolla Boy	Thu, 11 July 2002 12:01
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Thu, 11 July 2002 13:01
	Re: Holden Cruze	purpleminiep	Thu, 11 July 2002 13:33
	Re: Holden Cruze	faulksy	Thu, 11 July 2002 14:57
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Thu, 11 July 2002 21:54
	Re: Holden Cruze	HSV_gal	Thu, 11 July 2002 23:20
	Re: Holden Cruze	Redline	Fri, 12 July 2002 00:39
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Fri, 12 July 2002 02:22
	Why that is...	Incredible_Serious	Fri, 12 July 2002 02:35
	Re: Holden Cruze	purpleminiep	Fri, 12 July 2002 03:23
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Fri, 12 July 2002 03:50
	Re: Holden Cruze	HSV_gal	Fri, 12 July 2002 05:11
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Fri, 12 July 2002 05:34
	Re: Holden Cruze	rob_RA40	Fri, 12 July 2002 05:36
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Fri, 12 July 2002 05:37
	Re: Holden Cruze	HSV_gal	Fri, 12 July 2002 05:43
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Fri, 12 July 2002 05:51
	Re: Holden Cruze	HSV_gal	Fri, 12 July 2002 06:00
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Fri, 12 July 2002 06:09
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Fri, 12 July 2002 08:25
	Re: Holden Cruze	Rolla Boy	Fri, 12 July 2002 11:10
	Re: Holden Cruze	lumpy	Fri, 12 July 2002 11:29
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Sun, 14 July 2002 09:44
	Re: Holden Cruze	Classique71	Sun, 14 July 2002 10:05
	Re: Holden Cruze	Sam	Sun, 14 July 2002 10:33
	Re: Holden Cruze	Nark	Mon, 15 July 2002 01:37
	Re: Holden Cruze	Classique71	Mon, 15 July 2002 02:40
	Re: Holden Cruze	jza70-mel	Mon, 15 July 2002 06:44
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Mon, 15 July 2002 07:04
	Re: Holden Cruze	YelloRolla	Mon, 15 July 2002 08:26
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Mon, 15 July 2002 14:01
	Re: Holden Cruze	Nark	Tue, 16 July 2002 01:24
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Tue, 16 July 2002 07:17
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Mon, 15 July 2002 08:51
	Re: Holden Cruze	Classique71	Mon, 15 July 2002 09:21
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Mon, 15 July 2002 09:58
	Re: Holden Cruze	purpleminiep	Mon, 15 July 2002 10:53
	Re: Holden Cruze	biased99	Tue, 16 July 2002 03:18
	Re: Holden Cruze	lumpy	Tue, 16 July 2002 03:46
	Re: Holden Cruze	RA28	Tue, 16 July 2002 10:56
	Re: Holden Cruze	Classique71	Tue, 16 July 2002 12:21
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Tue, 16 July 2002 12:43
	Re: Holden Cruze	Classique71	Tue, 16 July 2002 13:10
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Tue, 16 July 2002 13:23
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Tue, 16 July 2002 23:17
	Re: Holden Cruze	justcallmefrank	Wed, 17 July 2002 02:32
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Wed, 17 July 2002 08:11
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Wed, 17 July 2002 03:13
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:11
	Re: Holden Cruze	justcallmefrank	Wed, 17 July 2002 03:41
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:07
	Re: Holden Cruze	justcallmefrank	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:18
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:23
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:30
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:32
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:35
	Re: Holden Cruze	manipulate	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:36
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:37
	Re: Holden Cruze	justcallmefrank	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:42
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Wed, 17 July 2002 23:58
	Re: Holden Cruze	manipulate	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:44
	Re: Holden Cruze	justcallmefrank	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:48
	Re: Holden Cruze	justcallmefrank	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:49
	Re: Holden Cruze	justcallmefrank	Wed, 17 July 2002 08:19
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Wed, 17 July 2002 23:59
	thread has been locked	DannyGT4	Thu, 18 July 2002 10:54

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