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biased99 Forums Junkie Registered: May 2002	Re: Holden Cruze Tue, 16 July 2002 03:18 An interesting debate... Frankly both the Holdens AND Fords are ordinary cars. No ifs, buts or maybes. They are built, not engineered. Their desingners do...Well, I don't know what they do, but whatever it is, they should do something different! As for the Touring car races, They are mainly attended by people who either think their stock V6 is similar to the car on the track (which it definitely is NOT) or they wish it was... As for the engines, the Buick V6 is universally recognised as one of the most unbalanced engines ever produced and the Ford 6's camshaft is apparently held in place by valve-spring tension alone...Fine examples of engineering. Not! And the V8s...The Ford's dates back to the 60s. The Holden? Are you telling me that GM spent $1 Billion designing a PUSHROD engine? (Say no more) I used to watch the races in the late 80's - early 90's because they used mostly locally built components and allowed other manufacturers to race. However, when they got thrashed off the track by Nissans and Sierras, they decided it was too much and kicked the (better designed and engineered) competition out...and I, among others, lost interest. I was initially looking at putting a 1UZ into a VL Calais as my next project. But compared to a similar age Cressida, build quality and specs are W-A-Y apart. Thus my decision to source the Toyota product... [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Wed, 10 July 2002 13:20
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Wed, 10 July 2002 13:23
	Re: Holden Cruze		Thu, 11 July 2002 08:00
	Re: Holden Cruze	Apollo	Sun, 14 July 2002 09:36
	Re: Holden Cruze	SmellyTofu	Thu, 11 July 2002 09:56
	Re: Holden Cruze	Rolla Boy	Thu, 11 July 2002 10:06
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Thu, 11 July 2002 10:59
	Re: Holden Cruze	purpleminiep	Thu, 11 July 2002 11:30
	Re: Holden Cruze	jza70-mel	Thu, 11 July 2002 12:22
	Re: Holden Cruze	Rolla Boy	Thu, 11 July 2002 12:01
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Thu, 11 July 2002 13:01
	Re: Holden Cruze	purpleminiep	Thu, 11 July 2002 13:33
	Re: Holden Cruze	faulksy	Thu, 11 July 2002 14:57
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Thu, 11 July 2002 21:54
	Re: Holden Cruze	HSV_gal	Thu, 11 July 2002 23:20
	Re: Holden Cruze	Redline	Fri, 12 July 2002 00:39
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Fri, 12 July 2002 02:22
	Why that is...	Incredible_Serious	Fri, 12 July 2002 02:35
	Re: Holden Cruze	purpleminiep	Fri, 12 July 2002 03:23
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Fri, 12 July 2002 03:50
	Re: Holden Cruze	HSV_gal	Fri, 12 July 2002 05:11
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Fri, 12 July 2002 05:34
	Re: Holden Cruze	rob_RA40	Fri, 12 July 2002 05:36
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Fri, 12 July 2002 05:37
	Re: Holden Cruze	HSV_gal	Fri, 12 July 2002 05:43
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Fri, 12 July 2002 05:51
	Re: Holden Cruze	HSV_gal	Fri, 12 July 2002 06:00
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Fri, 12 July 2002 06:09
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Fri, 12 July 2002 08:25
	Re: Holden Cruze	Rolla Boy	Fri, 12 July 2002 11:10
	Re: Holden Cruze	lumpy	Fri, 12 July 2002 11:29
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Sun, 14 July 2002 09:44
	Re: Holden Cruze	Classique71	Sun, 14 July 2002 10:05
	Re: Holden Cruze	Sam	Sun, 14 July 2002 10:33
	Re: Holden Cruze	Nark	Mon, 15 July 2002 01:37
	Re: Holden Cruze	Classique71	Mon, 15 July 2002 02:40
	Re: Holden Cruze	jza70-mel	Mon, 15 July 2002 06:44
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Mon, 15 July 2002 07:04
	Re: Holden Cruze	YelloRolla	Mon, 15 July 2002 08:26
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Mon, 15 July 2002 14:01
	Re: Holden Cruze	Nark	Tue, 16 July 2002 01:24
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Tue, 16 July 2002 07:17
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Mon, 15 July 2002 08:51
	Re: Holden Cruze	Classique71	Mon, 15 July 2002 09:21
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Mon, 15 July 2002 09:58
	Re: Holden Cruze	purpleminiep	Mon, 15 July 2002 10:53
	Re: Holden Cruze	biased99	Tue, 16 July 2002 03:18
	Re: Holden Cruze	lumpy	Tue, 16 July 2002 03:46
	Re: Holden Cruze	RA28	Tue, 16 July 2002 10:56
	Re: Holden Cruze	Classique71	Tue, 16 July 2002 12:21
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Tue, 16 July 2002 12:43
	Re: Holden Cruze	Classique71	Tue, 16 July 2002 13:10
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Tue, 16 July 2002 13:23
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Tue, 16 July 2002 23:17
	Re: Holden Cruze	justcallmefrank	Wed, 17 July 2002 02:32
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Wed, 17 July 2002 08:11
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Wed, 17 July 2002 03:13
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:11
	Re: Holden Cruze	justcallmefrank	Wed, 17 July 2002 03:41
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:07
	Re: Holden Cruze	justcallmefrank	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:18
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:23
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:30
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:32
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:35
	Re: Holden Cruze	manipulate	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:36
	Re: Holden Cruze	Cool1	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:37
	Re: Holden Cruze	justcallmefrank	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:42
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Wed, 17 July 2002 23:58
	Re: Holden Cruze	manipulate	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:44
	Re: Holden Cruze	justcallmefrank	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:48
	Re: Holden Cruze	justcallmefrank	Wed, 17 July 2002 04:49
	Re: Holden Cruze	justcallmefrank	Wed, 17 July 2002 08:19
	Re: Holden Cruze	maxdamage75	Wed, 17 July 2002 23:59
	thread has been locked	DannyGT4	Thu, 18 July 2002 10:54

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