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justcallmefrank Forums Junkie I supported Toymods Location: Perth Registered: May 2002	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo Mon, 17 November 2003 04:52 I'm not meaning to argue here, I'm just making the point. I think if you read what I said about Toyota over-engineering things that it would be quite clear why they designed the R154. The W58 is over-engineered for what its goals were, powering moderately powered engines. The fact that many people use them in street powered 1JZ applications is testament to this fact. Yes the R154 is stronger, there is no denying that. Toyota built it because they wanted a stronger box to leave even more in reserve in terms of reliability. Thats the whole reason we're here, because Toyota makes a quality product. As for 400hp being mundane compared to other stuff, sure it is. It doesn't mean its probably more than double the average horsepower of cars on the road currently and if you don't think thats a big difference I just don't get it. A tweaked factory engine can be one of THE most fun engines to drive, better response, good mid-range etc without trying to kill you with every application of full throttle. I understand there will always be bigger and badder engines out there, but peak power isn't everything. Getting back to my point, a W58 CAN withstand a 400hp 1JZ or 2JZ as has been proven...and thats within the limits of a tweaked factory engine which is all a lot of people want. I'm over for this thread, there is no point in trying to defend my point when its argued against by changing it in the first place. [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	1jzgte/w58 combo	quick 6	Wed, 12 November 2003 08:43
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	STR8 2.8	Thu, 13 November 2003 01:07
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	BlackSupra	Thu, 13 November 2003 08:53
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	quick 6	Thu, 13 November 2003 09:06
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	7M-Brisbane	Fri, 14 November 2003 07:49
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	quick 6	Sun, 16 November 2003 11:26
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	SUPRA MAN	Mon, 17 November 2003 01:12
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	SUPRA MAN	Mon, 17 November 2003 03:49
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	BlackSupra	Mon, 17 November 2003 03:55
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	speakafreaka	Sat, 22 November 2003 05:43
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	rvrolla	Sat, 29 November 2003 03:51
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	SUPRA MAN	Mon, 17 November 2003 04:21
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	Celia-Sue	Mon, 17 November 2003 06:23
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	Manny	Mon, 17 November 2003 08:50
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	BlackSupra	Mon, 17 November 2003 01:17
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	Norbie	Mon, 17 November 2003 02:01
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	SUPRA MAN	Mon, 17 November 2003 03:29
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	Norbie	Mon, 17 November 2003 03:36
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	SUPRA MAN	Mon, 17 November 2003 03:38
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	gianttomato	Mon, 17 November 2003 23:52
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	ed_ma61	Tue, 18 November 2003 02:31
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	rob_RA40	Tue, 18 November 2003 03:48
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	SUPRA MAN	Tue, 18 November 2003 00:13
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	BlackSupra	Mon, 17 November 2003 03:37
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	justcallmefrank	Mon, 17 November 2003 03:50
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	SUPRA MAN	Mon, 17 November 2003 04:14
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	BlackSupra	Mon, 17 November 2003 04:24
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	SUPRA MAN	Mon, 17 November 2003 04:28
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	BlackSupra	Mon, 17 November 2003 05:35
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	justcallmefrank	Mon, 17 November 2003 03:51
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	Cyber-punk	Mon, 17 November 2003 03:56
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	BlackSupra	Mon, 17 November 2003 04:00
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	rob_RA40	Mon, 17 November 2003 04:01
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	justcallmefrank	Mon, 17 November 2003 04:04
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	Norbie	Mon, 17 November 2003 04:19
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	truenosedan	Mon, 17 November 2003 04:29
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	SUPRA MAN	Mon, 17 November 2003 04:33
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	Norbie	Mon, 17 November 2003 04:30
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	truenosedan	Mon, 17 November 2003 04:40
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	truenosedan	Mon, 17 November 2003 04:48
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	justcallmefrank	Mon, 17 November 2003 04:52
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	ehendrikd	Mon, 17 November 2003 04:53
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	justcallmefrank	Mon, 17 November 2003 04:56
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	Norbie	Mon, 17 November 2003 10:38
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	SUPRA MAN	Mon, 17 November 2003 10:46
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	Norbie	Mon, 17 November 2003 11:17
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	SUPRA MAN	Mon, 17 November 2003 11:20
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	quick 6	Mon, 17 November 2003 10:39
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	SUPRA MAN	Mon, 17 November 2003 10:49
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	quick 6	Mon, 17 November 2003 11:03
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	Norbie	Mon, 17 November 2003 11:25
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	SUPRA MAN	Mon, 17 November 2003 11:36
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	Chris Davey	Mon, 17 November 2003 12:49
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	justcallmefrank	Mon, 17 November 2003 13:03
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	Danish	Tue, 18 November 2003 00:46
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	CrAiGzEE	Tue, 18 November 2003 06:18
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	quick 6	Tue, 18 November 2003 09:18
	Re: 1jzgte/w58 combo	Danish	Sat, 29 November 2003 04:32

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