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Re: the lunar conspiracy theory Wed, 10 December 2003 04:10 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
i've got something to add...

twin towers:
there's a very detailed engineering report on the web somewhere about how/why the twin towers fell - in a nutshell, the physical impact of the planes was minimal compared to the following fire - from the vaporised fuel in the ruptured wing/belly tanks and flamable building materials. Poor insulation on supporting beams was burnt off and after the top floors fell ... well, we know the rest. Why no black box or major parts of planes? they disintegrated during impact or consumed in the fire - which was able to burn/melt mild steel. Grinding action of falling building took care of anything still left.
Summary: poor insulation, fire stairs outside building core, highly interdependant design led to failure of structure after being hit by jet airplanes)

Pentagon:
plane fragmented on impact with building not ground (which the 4th aircraft did) hence no large ground debris field as like Lockerbie (and similar). Secure building (and the pentagon is a massive building, much larger than anything in Aus) would have been highly compartmentalised and re-enforced - so building materials (e.g. sound and RFI deadening in walls, floors, ceilings) and lots of smaller air-spaces would have absorbed plane fragments, significant energy of impact and subsequent air-fuel fire (each tower acted like a single large explosion container, pentagon would have split the blast up before it became massive - like the impact fire from the towers). Also, impact fragments would have been inside building space hence limited external debris field.
Summary: strong/massive building construction absorbed energy from imapct and subsequent fire, compartmentalised internals of building dissapated impact energy and fire, preventing massive conflagation of fire. Black box either destroyed on impact or in fire.
Ergo ... picture shows: fire resulting from impact of fuel-laden aircraft into concrete/steel structure resulting in partial structural damage and severe burning and damage to facade, non-structural materials from fuel carried by aircraft and building contents.

And in case you ask, why are black boxes found in most air crashes? tangental ground impact usually spread the debris field and no severe fire occurs but often there are no large pieces. Sea impact is similar with no likelihood of damaging fire and less fragmentation. High-altitude explosion/catastrophe will only result in damage from explosion and eventual ground impact - no fire to worry about and impact speed/energy will be combination of gravity and remaining forward velocity from flight (most of which is lost during fall due to drag).

Internet:
99% bullshit, the rest is conspiracy thoery e.g.:
-Jews did it to provoke america trashing middle-east
-Americans did it to provide excuse for trashing middle-east
-The "world bank" did it to coverup some massive banking conspiracy theory
and this topic adds to that list, humans never landed on the moon.

... anyway, who fucking cares ... the world's gone to shit, we've all become nations of paranoic sociopaths and i'll never fly anywhere near the middle-east or america (which makes my life-long dream of going to the canada wilderness problematic).

charles.
[corrected section on why black boxes are found]

[Updated on: Wed, 10 December 2003 04:15]

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