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Apollo Forums Junkie Location: Brisbane, QLD, Australia Registered: May 2002	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo? Tue, 30 December 2003 09:03 Nark wrote on Tue, 30 December 2003 18:20 bassaholic55 wrote on Tue, 30 December 2003 16:10 Too much R&D to make a good car and then they have to sell them for heaps. Then they don't sell very many (compared to Camrys) and make little money. Isn't this why you're attracted to Toyota's though? I know that's the reason I love them. When you buy one, you know that they aren't gonna break down on you. You can't compare a JDM Soarer to an Aussie Camry and say that Toyota don't make good cars any more. If you want to go JDM, then there's the Chaser. If you want to stick to Aussie, look at the Aussie Camry back then (or the Corona depending upon the year). They're two distinctly different markets. Apollo wrote on Tue, 30 December 2003 17:31 You can't deny it though. All of the "sports cars" these days are just family shopping trollies. HSV, XR6/8, VRX, "sportivo", etc. All are 4 door family cars trying for sporty looks. FWD: Clio Sport, Integra Type-R, Celica AWD: WRX, S3/S4 (or the RS counterparts) RWD: 200SX, MR2 (shame Aussies only get auto), Elise, 350Z, RX-8 The only 4 door shopping trolleys there are the AWDs. Refer below. Apollo wrote on Tue, 30 December 2003 17:31 What we need is a return of the peformance car. To me the car industry died in 1998. The only thing that has kept it from a total loss is subaru with the WRX. This is a classic example of marketing over engineering. This is an example of your so called "4 door family cars trying for sporty looks" and yet you seem to love it. Why? Marketing and cult status. All it needed was for a gang to use them for ram raids and evade some cops, then add in the media hype and you've got an instant classic. No one thinks of the 200SX the same way as the WRX. Even despite it being faster, handles better, was purposefully designed as a sports car (not a FWD shopping trolley). It's better in every single way for the same amount of money. So why is the WRX so much more popular? And don't mention rally unless you're talking Grp N. EH? No I don't love the family barge going for the sporty look. That was my whole point on why our market is so sad and basically it's the only image that the general public have of what a "sports car" should be. Why is the wrx popular? Because you can buy it locally is #1 on my list. #2 would be because you can leave it stock and it's still a monster. Before you say glass gearbox, I'm talking about the 2003 models. 200sx? Not interested in nissan imports. [Report message to a moderator]

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	What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	ra23mad	Mon, 29 December 2003 00:22
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Classique71	Mon, 29 December 2003 01:54
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Nark	Mon, 29 December 2003 13:19
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	CamryMan	Tue, 30 December 2003 13:21
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Chris Davey	Mon, 29 December 2003 02:52
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	onejayzed	Mon, 29 December 2003 05:45
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	STR8 2.8	Mon, 29 December 2003 07:09
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Shraka	Mon, 29 December 2003 07:20
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	DiZ_	Mon, 29 December 2003 09:33
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Intensevil	Mon, 29 December 2003 13:43
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	tailz	Mon, 29 December 2003 19:28
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Shraka	Mon, 29 December 2003 22:28
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Caledwvech	Mon, 29 December 2003 23:13
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Chris Davey	Mon, 29 December 2003 23:43
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Nark	Tue, 30 December 2003 05:02
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Apollo	Tue, 30 December 2003 06:31
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Classique71	Tue, 30 December 2003 06:51
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Shraka	Wed, 31 December 2003 04:18
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Caledwvech	Mon, 29 December 2003 23:45
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Chris Davey	Tue, 30 December 2003 05:10
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Nark	Tue, 30 December 2003 08:20
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Apollo	Tue, 30 December 2003 09:03
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Nark	Tue, 30 December 2003 12:29
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Apollo	Wed, 31 December 2003 14:26
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Nark	Wed, 31 December 2003 15:53
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Apollo	Thu, 01 January 2004 13:12
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Nark	Thu, 01 January 2004 14:27
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Apollo	Tue, 06 January 2004 07:05
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Nark	Tue, 06 January 2004 22:30
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Camry_omega	Sat, 10 January 2004 01:56
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Billy-Mason PI	Fri, 02 January 2004 03:06
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	CamryMan	Tue, 30 December 2003 13:10
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Caledwvech	Tue, 30 December 2003 05:22
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	CamryMan	Tue, 30 December 2003 13:34
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Grega	Tue, 30 December 2003 18:36
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Lambolica	Tue, 30 December 2003 22:58
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Billy-Mason PI	Tue, 30 December 2003 23:51
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	justcallmefrank	Fri, 02 January 2004 09:01
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Shraka	Fri, 02 January 2004 13:32
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	justcallmefrank	Fri, 02 January 2004 13:37
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Intensevil	Wed, 31 December 2003 01:43
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	SmellyTofu	Thu, 01 January 2004 03:07
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Julz	Thu, 01 January 2004 04:52
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Shraka	Thu, 01 January 2004 14:15
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Intensevil	Fri, 02 January 2004 02:15
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Shraka	Fri, 02 January 2004 02:53
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Billy-Mason PI	Fri, 02 January 2004 03:42
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Chris Davey	Fri, 02 January 2004 04:05
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Shraka	Fri, 02 January 2004 04:06
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Billy-Mason PI	Fri, 02 January 2004 04:26
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Intensevil	Fri, 02 January 2004 10:26
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	justcallmefrank	Fri, 02 January 2004 13:29
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Jag7799	Fri, 02 January 2004 13:09
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	justcallmefrank	Fri, 02 January 2004 13:31
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	justcallmefrank	Fri, 02 January 2004 13:42
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Shraka	Fri, 02 January 2004 13:49
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Shraka	Fri, 02 January 2004 13:48
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	justcallmefrank	Fri, 02 January 2004 13:51
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Shraka	Fri, 02 January 2004 13:59
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	justcallmefrank	Fri, 02 January 2004 14:07
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Shraka	Fri, 02 January 2004 14:32
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	RobST162	Sat, 03 January 2004 04:18
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	dingaling	Sat, 03 January 2004 05:25
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	rob-ae86	Sat, 03 January 2004 05:49
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Shraka	Sat, 03 January 2004 06:07
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	justcallmefrank	Sat, 03 January 2004 09:55
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Shraka	Sat, 03 January 2004 11:45
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	ra23mad	Sun, 04 January 2004 12:31
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Shraka	Tue, 06 January 2004 11:42
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Billy-Mason PI	Tue, 06 January 2004 20:50
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Caledwvech	Tue, 06 January 2004 21:37
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	go_the_cam	Sat, 31 January 2004 09:06
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Camry_omega	Sun, 01 February 2004 06:10
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	go_the_cam	Sat, 31 January 2004 09:02
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Evil_Foetus	Mon, 02 February 2004 02:04
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Shraka	Mon, 02 February 2004 03:41
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Camry_omega	Mon, 02 February 2004 06:57
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Nark	Mon, 02 February 2004 21:24
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Camry_omega	Tue, 03 February 2004 06:41
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Nark	Tue, 03 February 2004 08:46
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	justcallmefrank	Wed, 04 February 2004 09:29
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Nark	Wed, 04 February 2004 12:29
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Intensevil	Wed, 04 February 2004 09:41
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	justcallmefrank	Wed, 04 February 2004 09:46
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Intensevil	Wed, 04 February 2004 10:42
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	justcallmefrank	Wed, 04 February 2004 23:08
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	StuC	Wed, 04 February 2004 13:23
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Billy-Mason PI	Thu, 05 February 2004 00:07
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	StuC	Thu, 05 February 2004 07:03
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Camry_omega	Thu, 05 February 2004 10:51
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Nark	Thu, 05 February 2004 11:16
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Camry_omega	Fri, 06 February 2004 10:20
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Apophis	Sat, 07 February 2004 00:16
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Shraka	Sat, 07 February 2004 03:13
	Re: What do people think of the new Camry Sportivo?	Nark	Sun, 08 February 2004 10:28

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