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MS-75 Regular Location: Adelaide Registered: June 2002	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid... Wed, 21 January 2004 09:05 Looks like you still want the details on the hybrid, so here goes. 1.The heads on the two engines are identical in every way except that the MTEU has smaller intake valves. The exhaust manifold is a straight bolt up. 2. Leave the 5M intake manifold as is, the 5M throttle body is internally larger than the MTEU one. 3. The crossover pipe for the MTEU runs from the turbo to the throttle body across the top of the rocker cover. The advantage in using the stock turbo and crossover pipe to begin with is that it all just directly bolts up. You may want to change it later, but it means that now you don’t have to fabricate a whole heap of crap. (you can always put a cooler in at a later stage) 4. The MTEU has dedicated oil feed and oil drain holes in the block for the turbo so you need to make up feed and drain lines on the 5M (it would be nice to use the MTEU block but you have to bore and sleeve it to get the required bore size) The feed can be tapped off the oil pressure switch hole. Go a hydraulics shop and tell them what you need and they'll do it for 1/4 the price of a performance workshop. The drain needs to be a fitting braised into the sump of the motor above the operating oil level (just make sure it goes up the top of the sump). You'll need to remove the sump from the engine to do this. 6. The 5m fuel press reg and rail is fine, you don't need a malpassi or anything. 5. Remove the 5M dizzy and whack the MTEU one straight in. (hook up the same vacuum lines to it). 6. Swap the MTEU cam and rocker assembly (only do the rocker gear if the MTEU stuff look to be in better nick than the 5M assembly) into the 5M (straight bolt up again). Once all this is done the hybrid is complete-you can also swap the conrods over (but don’t bother unless you plan on huge HP). As far as getting it running, it should just fire up again, HOWEVER, it is from here that this thing may get tricky. The problem you'll face is getting satisfactory fuel into the motor once it is on boost. The stock ecu/injectors are unlikely to cope, and you may need to dodgey something up with pressure switches and the cold start injector perhaps to trigger once the boost comes on. Otherwise it may be a long and painful process to get to run decently without changing to a programmable ECU. The reason I mentioned the suck through LPG system is that you can run the engine without the ECU at all. You don’t have to muck about with injectors or a fuel pump, the mixer can be mounted in front of the turbo, the LPG will actually do a good job of intercooling the motor through the crossover pipe, the LPG has a good octane rating, and if you grab a 2nd hand LPG setup it will be really cheap and easy to set up. Note that with this set-up you cant use an intercooler, but with the LPG cooling the air anyway you don't need one so much. Anyway, hope this helps mate. Sean [Report message to a moderator]

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	5m-e / m-teu hybrid... A few new questions... :)	Evil_Foetus	Fri, 16 January 2004 02:51
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Norbie	Fri, 16 January 2004 03:07
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	ed_ma61	Fri, 16 January 2004 03:21
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Allan	Fri, 16 January 2004 03:26
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	ed_ma61	Fri, 16 January 2004 03:31
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	ed_ma61	Fri, 16 January 2004 03:28
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Fri, 16 January 2004 03:31
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	ed_ma61	Fri, 16 January 2004 03:42
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Fri, 16 January 2004 03:48
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Allan	Fri, 16 January 2004 03:45
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Allan	Fri, 16 January 2004 03:48
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Fri, 16 January 2004 03:52
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	gianttomato	Fri, 16 January 2004 04:00
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	ed_ma61	Fri, 16 January 2004 03:52
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Allan	Fri, 16 January 2004 04:01
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Allan	Fri, 16 January 2004 04:04
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Fri, 16 January 2004 04:07
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Allan	Fri, 16 January 2004 04:12
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Fri, 16 January 2004 04:14
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	ed_ma61	Fri, 16 January 2004 04:15
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Fri, 16 January 2004 04:23
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Allan	Fri, 16 January 2004 04:30
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Fri, 16 January 2004 04:40
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Cyber-punk	Fri, 16 January 2004 06:10
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Allan	Fri, 16 January 2004 05:01
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	V8_MA61	Fri, 16 January 2004 10:23
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	ZZT231	Fri, 16 January 2004 14:00
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Fri, 16 January 2004 15:32
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Allan	Fri, 16 January 2004 15:37
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	V8_MA61	Sat, 17 January 2004 00:02
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Sun, 18 January 2004 00:56
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	ZZT231	Sun, 18 January 2004 10:27
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	ed_ma61	Sun, 18 January 2004 10:54
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	V8_MA61	Sun, 18 January 2004 02:47
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Norbie	Sun, 18 January 2004 03:24
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	V8_MA61	Sun, 18 January 2004 04:20
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Allan	Sun, 18 January 2004 05:50
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	ed_ma61	Sun, 18 January 2004 05:58
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	V8_MA61	Sun, 18 January 2004 07:16
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Allan	Sun, 18 January 2004 13:25
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Allan	Sun, 18 January 2004 13:22
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Sun, 18 January 2004 23:30
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Norbie	Sun, 18 January 2004 23:38
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Mon, 19 January 2004 06:57
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	draven	Mon, 19 January 2004 07:12
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	V8_MA61	Mon, 19 January 2004 07:56
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Allan	Tue, 20 January 2004 03:37
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	MS-75	Mon, 19 January 2004 08:53
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Tue, 20 January 2004 05:57
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Celia-Sue	Tue, 20 January 2004 06:39
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Wed, 21 January 2004 01:54
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	ZZT231	Fri, 30 January 2004 14:53
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	ZZT231	Fri, 30 January 2004 14:57
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Allan	Wed, 21 January 2004 02:48
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Wed, 21 January 2004 03:09
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	STR8 2.8	Wed, 21 January 2004 03:11
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	John K	Wed, 21 January 2004 03:16
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Allan	Wed, 21 January 2004 04:42
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	MS-75	Wed, 21 January 2004 09:05
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Steve M	Wed, 21 January 2004 03:15
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Wed, 21 January 2004 06:47
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Wed, 21 January 2004 11:14
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	gianttomato	Sun, 22 February 2004 08:52
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Allan	Wed, 21 January 2004 12:23
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Wed, 21 January 2004 13:01
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Allan	Wed, 21 January 2004 13:28
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Wed, 21 January 2004 13:41
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Allan	Thu, 22 January 2004 02:17
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	MS-75	Thu, 22 January 2004 07:34
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Allan	Thu, 22 January 2004 12:06
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Fri, 23 January 2004 01:30
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Sun, 25 January 2004 12:32
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	ed_ma61	Sun, 25 January 2004 12:47
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Sun, 25 January 2004 12:57
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	ed_ma61	Sun, 25 January 2004 13:05
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Sun, 25 January 2004 13:08
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	V8_MA61	Sun, 25 January 2004 12:58
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Sun, 25 January 2004 13:03
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Fri, 30 January 2004 03:39
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	gianttomato	Fri, 30 January 2004 07:33
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Sun, 01 February 2004 01:05
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Alchemist	Sun, 01 February 2004 11:48
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Allan	Sun, 01 February 2004 13:25
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Sun, 01 February 2004 15:23
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Thu, 12 February 2004 11:39
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Fri, 13 February 2004 04:01
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	gianttomato	Fri, 13 February 2004 04:11
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Fri, 13 February 2004 05:03
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	gianttomato	Fri, 13 February 2004 05:08
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Fri, 13 February 2004 05:25
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	thechuckster	Fri, 13 February 2004 11:25
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Fri, 13 February 2004 13:17
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Sun, 22 February 2004 07:02
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	ed_ma61	Sun, 22 February 2004 09:35
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Sun, 22 February 2004 12:02
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Sun, 07 March 2004 01:54
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	gianttomato	Sun, 07 March 2004 02:29
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Sun, 07 March 2004 06:30
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	gianttomato	Sun, 07 March 2004 08:21
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	ZZT231	Sun, 07 March 2004 09:50
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Sun, 07 March 2004 11:47
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Tue, 09 March 2004 12:12
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid...	Evil_Foetus	Mon, 15 March 2004 14:20
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid... A few new questions... :)	Evil_Foetus	Wed, 21 April 2004 02:57
	Re: 5m-e / m-teu hybrid... A few new questions... :)	Evil_Foetus	Thu, 08 July 2004 13:22

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