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Re: 4agze bottom Vs. 20V bottom
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Wed, 04 February 2004 11:27
 
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I really find these comparisons between different 'built' engines quite funny.
Anyone ever heard of 'ceteris paribus'? essentially it means, 'All else being equal'. What im saying is that one can never hope to draw any reliable conclusions comparing engines which in some cases have vastly different combinations.
For example, a 4AGZE based 20v 4AGTE with GT30, big efficeint I/C and top shelf management will easily murder a 4AGTE with stock management and a simple RB20 turbo conversion. But which is better. Ill tell you now, for the road id rather have a 200Hp 4AGTE with plenty of midrange pull than 400hp of narrow power-band, 6000rpm threshold, laggy, peaky, high-boost, savage delivery piece of shit.
Another point, you say 400 front wheel horses. Do you have any idea what it would take from a 1.6 to make that sort of power? And please dont get me started on its economy, tuning needs, support systems, reliability etc and what a complete undriveable (on the road) mess it would be. Not to mention the cost, Oh the cost!!
Lets be sensible here.
OldCorrolas too, almost took the words from my mouth. Most factory inlet systems generally arent great for performance after a certain point. Sure the factory 16V inlet system may not be great but a decent plenum or some matched itb's will make by far the best flowing inlet.
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Well, the fact remains that I still think the 20v head is better then the 16v anyhead, and...
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And no offence Ortahor (if that is your real name  ), what you think means absolutely nothing in the face of years of engineering and race car experience (The Atlantic guys, not me  ).
And no one has posted yet why the 16V bigport head is so gay
[Updated on: Wed, 04 February 2004 11:33]
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ChaserJZX100 | Wed, 04 February 2004 08:40 |
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ortahor | Wed, 04 February 2004 09:58 |
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Rex_Kelway | Wed, 04 February 2004 11:27 |
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ortahor | Wed, 04 February 2004 17:25 |
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Jayem | Wed, 04 February 2004 21:43 |
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Johnny | Sun, 08 February 2004 09:56 |
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IRA11Y | Sun, 08 February 2004 10:40 |
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ae82rollaboy | Sun, 22 February 2004 09:24 |
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jasonp1977 | Mon, 23 February 2004 06:32 |
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