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RWDboy Forums Junkie Location: South Australia Registered: July 2002	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity Tue, 10 February 2004 13:44 To say that 'turbo-charging' was banned is a bit rough. It's really just the change in rules for formula one, more often done for either safety, financial, and sometimes commercial reasons. Just for comparison -> The 3.0 litre formula one engines of today are *still* not producing the horsepower *or* the torque that could spin the wheels in sixth gear at 280km/h of the 1.5 litre turbo-charged formula 1 cars of 1986 (Maybe 1985) (17-18 years ago) For the mathematically impaired, that's half the capacity FI beating NA. As for the 'stresses' issue. That's an obvious point, but... Countering 'stress' requires either reduction in rotating mass (to reduce high-hp related stress related mainly to harmonics) or strengthening componentry (to reduce high-torque related stress related to tonnes of stuff, various dynamics/statics). Big V8s have quite a large amount of rotating mass, which means their design has to deal with more high-hp related stress and less hi-torque related stress. Comparitevely, small turbo charged cars have to strike a balance with more high-torque related stress and less hi-hp related stress. Basically - it's all a compromise. To say that one is 'more stressed' than the other is a bit of a fallacy. On top of that, lots of leaps and bounds have been made in regards to 'strengthening' componentry (such as conrods, crankshafts) through better physical design -> strong components that don't require ridiculously expensive alloys to be forged are easy to come by. As for lightened components? Okay physical design has helped there - but they can get pretty expensive, and if the weight of the rotating mass is the 'glass-ceiling' of your engine, then you better have deep, deep pockets. Anyway - these are my partly-researched opinions, feel free to blow them out of the water if I'm wrong, I don't want people to be misled if someone out there knows better! [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Mon, 09 February 2004 09:54
	Re: Strength of W58 gearbox	Norbie	Mon, 09 February 2004 12:17
	Re: Strength of W58 gearbox	V8_MA61	Mon, 09 February 2004 12:31
	Re: Strength of W58 gearbox	Norbie	Mon, 09 February 2004 12:42
	Re: Strength of W58 gearbox	V8_MA61	Mon, 09 February 2004 12:47
	Re: Strength of W58 gearbox	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 February 2004 12:50
	Re: Strength of W58 gearbox	V8_MA61	Mon, 09 February 2004 12:55
	Re: Strength of W58 gearbox	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 February 2004 12:58
	Re: Strength of W58 gearbox	V8_MA61	Mon, 09 February 2004 13:00
	Re: Strength of W58 gearbox	Norbie	Mon, 09 February 2004 13:05
	Re: Strength of W58 gearbox	V8_MA61	Mon, 09 February 2004 13:13
	Re: Strength of W58 gearbox	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 February 2004 13:15
	Re: Strength of W58 gearbox	ed_ma61	Mon, 09 February 2004 13:24
	Re: Strength of W58 gearbox	V8_MA61	Mon, 09 February 2004 13:17
	Re: Strength of W58 gearbox	ed_ma61	Mon, 09 February 2004 13:21
	Re: Strength of W58 gearbox	V8_MA61	Mon, 09 February 2004 13:27
	Re: Strength of W58 gearbox	Norbie	Mon, 09 February 2004 13:27
	Re: Strength of W58 gearbox	V8_MA61	Mon, 09 February 2004 13:28
	Re: Strength of W58 gearbox	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 February 2004 13:31
	Re: Strength of W58 gearbox	V8_MA61	Mon, 09 February 2004 13:33
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 February 2004 13:49
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Mon, 09 February 2004 13:51
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 February 2004 13:56
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	oldcorollas	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:03
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Norbie	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:09
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	7M-Brisbane	Mon, 09 February 2004 13:56
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:01
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	thechuckster	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:11
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	ed_ma61	Mon, 09 February 2004 13:56
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 February 2004 13:57
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 February 2004 13:58
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	7M-Brisbane	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:02
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Norbie	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:05
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	oldcorollas	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:13
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:09
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	ed_ma61	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:12
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	oldcorollas	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:26
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:14
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	ed_ma61	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:20
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:26
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:21
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	oldcorollas	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:34
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	ed_ma61	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:38
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:24
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:29
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	oldcorollas	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:38
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:42
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	thechuckster	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:46
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	7M-Brisbane	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:36
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	oldcorollas	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:43
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	oldcorollas	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:49
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Tue, 10 February 2004 08:11
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Chris Davey	Wed, 11 February 2004 03:17
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:39
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	ed_ma61	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:43
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:46
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	thechuckster	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:53
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Norbie	Tue, 10 February 2004 02:10
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	ed_ma61	Tue, 10 February 2004 02:17
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Norbie	Tue, 10 February 2004 04:19
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Nark	Tue, 10 February 2004 11:31
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:44
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:54
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	thechuckster	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:57
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	justcallmefrank	Mon, 09 February 2004 14:58
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	RWDboy	Tue, 10 February 2004 03:25
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Tue, 10 February 2004 08:13
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Skip	Tue, 10 February 2004 05:13
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	biased99	Tue, 10 February 2004 09:34
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	draven	Tue, 10 February 2004 08:47
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Skip	Tue, 10 February 2004 09:05
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	ed_ma61	Tue, 10 February 2004 10:07
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	biased99	Tue, 10 February 2004 11:42
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Skip	Tue, 10 February 2004 23:26
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Tue, 10 February 2004 10:21
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	T APLUS 22	Tue, 10 February 2004 11:39
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Skip	Tue, 10 February 2004 23:31
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Tue, 10 February 2004 11:47
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	CLG	Tue, 10 February 2004 13:16
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Dabbid	Tue, 10 February 2004 11:57
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Nark	Tue, 10 February 2004 12:10
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	7M-Brisbane	Tue, 10 February 2004 11:59
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Tue, 10 February 2004 12:02
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Tue, 10 February 2004 12:12
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Nark	Tue, 10 February 2004 12:17
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Dabbid	Tue, 10 February 2004 12:27
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Tue, 10 February 2004 12:22
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Nark	Tue, 10 February 2004 12:35
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	ed_ma61	Tue, 10 February 2004 21:46
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Tue, 10 February 2004 12:32
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Tue, 10 February 2004 12:38
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Nark	Tue, 10 February 2004 12:49
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Norbie	Tue, 10 February 2004 13:19
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	RWDboy	Tue, 10 February 2004 13:44
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	rob_RA40	Tue, 10 February 2004 21:17
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Jag7799	Tue, 10 February 2004 23:06
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Jag7799	Tue, 10 February 2004 23:08
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	rob_RA40	Wed, 11 February 2004 04:00
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	justcallmefrank	Wed, 11 February 2004 04:17
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Chris Davey	Wed, 11 February 2004 06:23
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Skip	Wed, 11 February 2004 08:54
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	CLG	Wed, 11 February 2004 09:04
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Wed, 11 February 2004 09:04
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	justcallmefrank	Wed, 11 February 2004 09:14
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Wed, 11 February 2004 09:45
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	shinybluesteel	Wed, 11 February 2004 09:57
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	justcallmefrank	Wed, 11 February 2004 10:00
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Nark	Wed, 11 February 2004 10:27
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Wed, 11 February 2004 09:06
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	T APLUS 22	Wed, 11 February 2004 09:40
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Wed, 11 February 2004 09:59
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Wed, 11 February 2004 10:34
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	draven	Wed, 11 February 2004 10:36
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	oldcorollas	Wed, 11 February 2004 10:52
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	draven	Wed, 11 February 2004 10:54
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	shinybluesteel	Wed, 11 February 2004 11:02
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Norbie	Thu, 12 February 2004 00:25
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	oldcorollas	Thu, 12 February 2004 06:21
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Nark	Thu, 12 February 2004 08:41
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	oldcorollas	Thu, 12 February 2004 12:13
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Norbie	Fri, 13 February 2004 02:33
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Nark	Wed, 11 February 2004 11:43
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Wed, 11 February 2004 10:58
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	ed_ma61	Wed, 11 February 2004 12:18
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Jag7799	Wed, 11 February 2004 12:36
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Dabbid	Wed, 11 February 2004 20:45
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Skip	Wed, 11 February 2004 23:40
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	ed_ma61	Thu, 12 February 2004 03:08
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Skip	Thu, 12 February 2004 05:03
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Jag7799	Wed, 11 February 2004 22:50
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Thu, 12 February 2004 02:55
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Norbie	Fri, 13 February 2004 02:29
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Thu, 12 February 2004 09:33
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	justcallmefrank	Thu, 12 February 2004 10:05
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Thu, 12 February 2004 10:29
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	justcallmefrank	Thu, 12 February 2004 10:38
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Thu, 12 February 2004 10:40
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	79rollaboy	Thu, 12 February 2004 10:57
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	draven	Thu, 12 February 2004 11:17
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Thu, 12 February 2004 11:22
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	justcallmefrank	Thu, 12 February 2004 12:04
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Thu, 12 February 2004 12:16
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	oldcorollas	Thu, 12 February 2004 12:23
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	oldcorollas	Thu, 12 February 2004 13:04
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	thechuckster	Thu, 12 February 2004 13:12
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	ta23	Thu, 12 February 2004 13:38
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Donuts	Thu, 12 February 2004 14:59
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Dabbid	Thu, 12 February 2004 15:08
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Norbie	Fri, 13 February 2004 02:35
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Chris Davey	Fri, 13 February 2004 02:59
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Donuts	Fri, 13 February 2004 04:28
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Donuts	Fri, 13 February 2004 04:31
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	gianttomato	Fri, 13 February 2004 04:21
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	thechuckster	Thu, 12 February 2004 13:07
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	oldcorollas	Thu, 12 February 2004 15:31
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Skip	Thu, 12 February 2004 23:22
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Sat, 14 February 2004 01:46
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Skip	Sun, 15 February 2004 23:50
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Norbie	Mon, 16 February 2004 00:49
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	ae95	Mon, 16 February 2004 00:42
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Norbie	Mon, 16 February 2004 00:51
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	da_snuff	Fri, 13 February 2004 00:50
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	draven	Fri, 13 February 2004 02:36
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Norbie	Fri, 13 February 2004 02:36
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Chris Davey	Fri, 13 February 2004 03:01
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Norbie	Fri, 13 February 2004 04:14
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	RWDboy	Sat, 14 February 2004 01:26
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Sat, 14 February 2004 06:35
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	Zhyr	Sun, 15 February 2004 12:36
	Re: forced inductin 'vs' NA capacity	V8_MA61	Mon, 16 February 2004 07:47

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