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THE WITZL Forums Junkie Toymods Social Secretary Location: Sydney Registered: July 2002	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE Wed, 03 March 2004 21:45 Quote: I say go for 4AGE better of with insurance etc(full insurance). 4agze if you get the newer ones are like 165 hp and the 100 kilowatt 4age has around 135 30 hp difference and there is 4agze's which are sad that make 110 kilowatts(waste of time to me). Seriously, i DO NOT think you were racing a 4A-GZE. And if you were, he wasnt racing. There is NO WAY that a 100kW 4A-GE in an AE92 can keep up with a 4A-GZE in an AE92. If you check out some of the results from previous Toymods Dyno Days, here's how it goes: AE92 100kW 4A-GE = 50-60kW at the wheels AE92 4A-GZE = 80-90kW at the wheels ** just a little difference yeah? Your figures on engine power have seriously been pulled from the nether regions of your rear passage dude. Here are the Toyota quoted power figures for the 4A series of engines: Bigport 4A-GE (Tvis) = 86kW Smallport 4A-GE = 100kW Silvertop 20V 4A-GE = 120kW Blacktop 20V 4A-GE = 126kW 4A-GZE AFM type (bigport) = 115kW 4A-GZE MAP sensor type (smallport) = 126kW Now take note of something that without fail is argued until blue in the face by people like you. Toyota SERIOUSLY overquoted the power output of their 4A-GE engines. They did this by disconnecting everything like power steering, air con, water pumps, alternators etc (anything with mechanical drag). If you speak to any experienced or knowledgeable person they will tell you that the REAL engine output power of these engines is significantly LESS than that quoted. For instance, a silvertop and blacktop 20V 4A-GE were tested on an engine dyno by a reputable engine tuner, and this is the actual result: Silvertop 20V 4A-GE = 138HP/98kW at flywheel @ 7800 RPM Blacktop 20V 4A-GE = 144HP/102kW at Flywheel from 7800 to 8500 RPM THis however, is not the case for the 4A-GZE engines. They are usually at or above their quoted engine output power, and have a bootload more torque to go along with that. If you dont believe me, i dare you to post a similar post over at www.twincam.org/forums and see what happens. Quote: Theres mods you can do to gain 30hp or more, exhaust, cold air intake, extractors, shaved head, cams, highflow cat etc shit like that will help you keep up to a 4agze(stock). I got a sx ae92 or 93 some shit like that with the 4age 100 kilowatt motor. Mods are, 2 inch exhaust, cold air intake and some shit to do with timming which increases power not sure how much and i was side by side to a 4agze when i raced one I seriously doubt those mods will keep you anywhere near a stock 4A-GZE. When you have been in one, then talk. Quote: Rex_Kelway think you need to tone it down, dont be slack maybe he isnt a advanced user with forums with searching, and also maybe he isnt that well of with cars and engine conversions not his fault he believes what he hears think you should be more polite when asking people to do a search like most people on this forum do I think Rex, although a bit rough in his reply, was warranted with the jist of what he said. For too long and for 1000000 times over people have asked stupid questions and posted ill-informed and in your case completely incorrect technical "facts". Please do some research before you open your mouth on topics you really dont know much about. Now, in future, please bear in mind these FACTS before posting such tech material. Thanks. [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	4-AGE or 4-AGZE	dimmy77_03	Wed, 03 March 2004 10:44
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	boris	Wed, 03 March 2004 10:50
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	fatmr2	Wed, 03 March 2004 10:52
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	dimmy77_03	Wed, 03 March 2004 11:02
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	boris	Wed, 03 March 2004 11:04
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	oldcorollas	Wed, 03 March 2004 11:14
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	sideshow	Wed, 03 March 2004 11:16
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	NickAE86	Wed, 03 March 2004 11:19
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	Rex_Kelway	Wed, 03 March 2004 11:26
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	boris	Wed, 03 March 2004 11:27
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	fatmr2	Wed, 03 March 2004 11:32
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	THE WITZL	Wed, 03 March 2004 12:14
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	-=NiGz=-	Wed, 03 March 2004 13:04
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	oldcorollas	Wed, 03 March 2004 15:55
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	THE WITZL	Wed, 03 March 2004 21:45
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	-=NiGz=-	Wed, 03 March 2004 22:23
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	gianttomato	Wed, 03 March 2004 22:32
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	nomuken	Wed, 03 March 2004 20:44
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	THE WITZL	Thu, 04 March 2004 00:01
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	CrAiGzEE	Thu, 04 March 2004 11:56
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	Zhyr	Fri, 05 March 2004 02:58
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	THE WITZL	Fri, 05 March 2004 07:24
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	Zhyr	Fri, 05 March 2004 07:34
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	draven	Fri, 05 March 2004 07:35
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	dimmy77_03	Fri, 05 March 2004 09:13
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	CrAiGzEE	Fri, 05 March 2004 11:28
	Re: 4-AGE or 4-AGZE	Toy SX	Fri, 05 March 2004 14:34

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