hmmm...some interesting points...cheers guys. i'm only really enquiring atm as research for when i really start looking toward the end of the year. i'm gonna budget my self around 8k all up...bank approval pending of course! 13_954 that sounds like a nice setup but would not be something i would personally consider. my my concern is that it already has a 4age in it already and a fixed rear end. The rest i want to be pretty stocky in the hope that i can avoid problems like the one you mentioned. This will be my everyday car as well so i don't want it grabbing too much attn. mods no...stocky yes i guess...but twin cam