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st184 sillycar Forums Junkie Location: Melbourne Registered: June 2004	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing' Mon, 14 June 2004 07:54 If you plan on being on, or near the limit around a corner, then your trajectory is more or less decided before you even arrive at the turn-in. Once you've committed to brake late, you'd better have the corner mapped out in your head well before it comes to turning the wheel. Anytime it's gone pear-shaped like it did for Ed, I've gotten as much brake-on as possible without locking a front wheel (sometimes dragging the inside front for 5 metres or so) and just looked for exit options until the car's wiped off some speed or tucked back into the corner. Look BETWEEN the trees if you have to leave the road, NOT AT THEM!!! So far it's turned out o.k. for me!! Have you guys read-up on traction budgets, the grip circle, weight transfer etc. etc.?? The site "GPL foolishness" is very instructive re: trail braking and stuff. Most of the things that people talk about (left-foot braking, turn-in oversteer etc) are much easier to understand through the seat of your pants - either once you've figured it out for yourself or in the passenger seat besides a professional instructor/racer. Setup wise: I'd soften the front dampers slightly in their bump-stroke. This makes it much easier to transfer weight onto the front wheels without making the outside front break lateral-traction. Stiffening the Rear dampers in rebound and/or bump can have a big effect on the amount of turn-in oversteer you can extract from the chassis, but BE WARNED!: If the car's skittish or toey to begin with, bad situations quickly become worse with a car which oversteers under braking. The rear anti-roll bar is tied into the lift-off oversteer equation aswell. [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	ed_ma61	Sun, 06 June 2004 23:26
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	TurboRA28	Sun, 06 June 2004 23:51
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	Norbie	Mon, 07 June 2004 00:09
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	draven	Mon, 07 June 2004 00:49
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	Nark	Mon, 07 June 2004 01:30
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	LiL_MiC	Mon, 07 June 2004 02:03
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	Allan	Mon, 07 June 2004 02:10
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	IRA11Y	Mon, 07 June 2004 02:51
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	Lucid	Mon, 07 June 2004 08:35
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	draven	Fri, 11 June 2004 16:08
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	Nark	Fri, 11 June 2004 23:33
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	lang	Sat, 12 June 2004 06:03
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	rob_RA40	Mon, 07 June 2004 03:17
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	ed_ma61	Mon, 07 June 2004 03:24
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	ed_ma61	Mon, 07 June 2004 03:25
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	Norbie	Mon, 07 June 2004 03:59
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	ae86drift	Mon, 07 June 2004 04:02
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	ae86drift	Mon, 07 June 2004 04:01
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	lizardmech	Mon, 07 June 2004 08:07
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	ae86drift	Mon, 07 June 2004 08:56
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	IRA11Y	Mon, 07 June 2004 09:31
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	lizardmech	Mon, 07 June 2004 10:11
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	ae86drift	Mon, 07 June 2004 10:26
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	IRA11Y	Mon, 07 June 2004 10:38
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	ae86drift	Mon, 07 June 2004 10:52
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	silly	Mon, 07 June 2004 11:07
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	ae86drift	Mon, 07 June 2004 11:13
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	Nark	Mon, 07 June 2004 12:11
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	oldcorollas	Mon, 07 June 2004 13:33
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	ed_ma61	Mon, 07 June 2004 15:00
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	lizardmech	Mon, 07 June 2004 10:55
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	Cyber-punk	Mon, 07 June 2004 07:16
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	Simon-AE86	Mon, 07 June 2004 07:28
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	BlackSupra	Mon, 07 June 2004 08:04
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	Tommo	Mon, 07 June 2004 08:26
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	silly	Mon, 07 June 2004 10:52
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	lang	Mon, 07 June 2004 16:48
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	Razor	Mon, 07 June 2004 20:58
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	Nark	Mon, 07 June 2004 23:40
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	Norbie	Mon, 07 June 2004 23:55
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	ed_ma61	Tue, 08 June 2004 00:50
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	Nark	Tue, 08 June 2004 01:02
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	Norbie	Tue, 08 June 2004 01:13
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	ed_ma61	Tue, 08 June 2004 01:22
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	bubbles	Tue, 08 June 2004 01:23
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	Norbie	Tue, 08 June 2004 01:55
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	RWDboy	Wed, 09 June 2004 01:31
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	rustfree	Wed, 09 June 2004 07:49
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	Nark	Wed, 09 June 2004 08:17
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	IRA11Y	Wed, 09 June 2004 08:22
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	wilbo666	Wed, 09 June 2004 08:39
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	IRA11Y	Wed, 09 June 2004 09:31
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	IRA11Y	Wed, 09 June 2004 09:41
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	Nark	Wed, 09 June 2004 14:12
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	fOOZ86	Sat, 12 June 2004 19:31
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	RWDboy	Sun, 13 June 2004 07:43
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	fOOZ86	Sun, 13 June 2004 09:56
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	RWDboy	Sun, 13 June 2004 11:40
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	fOOZ86	Sun, 13 June 2004 17:20
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	st184 sillycar	Mon, 14 June 2004 07:54
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	RWDboy	Mon, 14 June 2004 10:50
	Is that you working the Dirt FWDBoy?? (Avatar) nice one!!	st184 sillycar	Tue, 15 June 2004 00:21
	Re: Driving Techniques - How to stop the front end from 'pushing'	RWDboy	Tue, 15 June 2004 02:14
	Check the 2-way adjustable struts:	st184 sillycar	Wed, 16 June 2004 06:46

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