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Stefan Forums Junkie Location: Hobart, Tas Registered: May 2002	Re: 22-R :: what cars ?? Thu, 19 September 2002 10:00 Gianttomato and Humble - fuck off. The potential of the 2XR goes well beyond 150 horses. I know someone with a turbo very streetable 300HP 22RE they regularly use for autocrossing. For your information, 150 horses and a nice fat torque curve can be easilly found on a regular 22RE by doing the exhaust/filter, a little head porting and a stage 2 TRD/delta/crane whatever cam, while keeping the engine's renound bulletproof reliability. If they are so utterly crap, why do so many people in the states bother working them? There is a racing company over there www.lcengineering.com that ONLY sell 2xR parts. No, the 2xr engine's ain't powerhouses, they are SOHC engines that don't rev sky high and make a shitload of torque and will continue to do for for thousands and thousands of ks before a rebuild - and so what? Ed-ma61 - The 22R heads have a swirl port design and don't flow so well. In the States, they put a 20R head (2.2litres) on a tall block (ie pre '85) 22RE block to make hybrid engines. The 20R head bolts right on, breathes a lot better than the 22R/E one (even with it's stock smaller valves), and as a nice bonus you get an instant 10:1 CR. The stock cam in the 2xR engines is also poor - drop a nicer cam in, maybee some nice carbs and you're away! EFI hybrids can be made too, but the head has to be welded/tapped to suit the EFI manifold. Unfortunately we don't really get the 20R here, and most 21Rs are of the swirl-port design too. (apparently the early 21R heads are like the 20R). I don't think we got the tall blocks here at all. I think 22RE heads can be made to flow as well as a 20R, it's just that the 20R does it stock whearas on the 22RE you have to invest in the head porting. From what I hear, the key to getting power out of the 22RE is in the head. You can go ahead and drop a cam in, but it's advised you have at leats a little porting done first. My plans are to get my head ported & polished with maybee some +1mm oversize valves, a stage two cam and a larger Supra AFM to really wake up the engine. No, it won't be a 1GGTE, but it won't have cost me that much either. FWIW there is a monster ra60 on Ebay at the moment with a highly worked 21R-C of all things! [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	22-R :: what cars ??	ed_ma61	Wed, 18 September 2002 11:01
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	justcallmefrank	Wed, 18 September 2002 11:15
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	ed_ma61	Wed, 18 September 2002 11:24
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	gianttomato	Wed, 18 September 2002 11:40
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	humble	Wed, 18 September 2002 11:54
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	justcallmefrank	Wed, 18 September 2002 12:03
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	ed_ma61	Wed, 18 September 2002 12:19
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	rob_RA40	Wed, 18 September 2002 12:52
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	blackRA28	Wed, 18 September 2002 14:12
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Norbie	Wed, 18 September 2002 23:22
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Pumpkin	Thu, 19 September 2002 02:53
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Norbie	Thu, 19 September 2002 02:57
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	gianttomato	Thu, 19 September 2002 03:19
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	celicamad85	Thu, 19 September 2002 03:51
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	humble	Thu, 19 September 2002 07:52
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Stefan	Thu, 19 September 2002 10:00
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	justcallmefrank	Thu, 19 September 2002 10:40
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Stefan	Thu, 19 September 2002 12:26
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	gianttomato	Thu, 19 September 2002 12:07
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	justcallmefrank	Thu, 19 September 2002 12:28
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	celicamad85	Thu, 19 September 2002 23:34
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	gianttomato	Fri, 20 September 2002 00:41
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Stefan	Fri, 20 September 2002 02:28
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	gianttomato	Fri, 20 September 2002 02:41
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	ed_ma61	Fri, 20 September 2002 05:01
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Stefan	Fri, 20 September 2002 02:48
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	rob_RA40	Thu, 19 September 2002 23:39
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	ed_ma61	Fri, 20 September 2002 03:35
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Pumpkin	Fri, 20 September 2002 04:04
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	humble	Fri, 20 September 2002 06:09
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	wil8115	Fri, 20 September 2002 11:38
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	CamZH	Fri, 20 September 2002 23:07
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Nark	Sun, 22 September 2002 01:22
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Stefan	Mon, 23 September 2002 00:34
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	celicamad85	Sat, 21 September 2002 00:31
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	draven	Sun, 22 September 2002 02:42
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	celicamad85	Sun, 22 September 2002 05:15
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	gianttomato	Sun, 22 September 2002 06:24
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	celicamad85	Sun, 22 September 2002 05:23
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Nark	Mon, 23 September 2002 00:50
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Norbie	Sun, 22 September 2002 08:14
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	draven	Sun, 22 September 2002 09:15
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	ed_ma61	Sun, 22 September 2002 09:35
	Rocketbus	gianttomato	Sun, 22 September 2002 09:48
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	ed_ma61	Sun, 22 September 2002 10:33
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	gianttomato	Sun, 22 September 2002 10:51
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	celicamad85	Sun, 22 September 2002 10:49
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	justcallmefrank	Sun, 22 September 2002 11:04
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	ed_ma61	Sun, 22 September 2002 11:08
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	celicamad85	Sun, 22 September 2002 12:58
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	FreaK	Mon, 23 September 2002 00:18
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	gianttomato	Mon, 23 September 2002 00:51
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Nark	Mon, 23 September 2002 01:04
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	celicamad85	Mon, 23 September 2002 01:02
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	celicamad85	Mon, 23 September 2002 01:09
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	gianttomato	Mon, 23 September 2002 01:16
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Nark	Mon, 23 September 2002 01:19
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	CamZH	Mon, 23 September 2002 05:48
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Nark	Mon, 23 September 2002 06:40
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Johnny	Mon, 23 September 2002 12:34
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Nark	Tue, 24 September 2002 01:53
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	stevegee	Tue, 24 September 2002 13:03

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