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Nark Forums Junkie Location: Cabramatta, NSW Registered: May 2002	Re: 22-R :: what cars ?? Sun, 22 September 2002 01:22 CamZH wrote on Sat, 21 September 2002 09:07 why do we even need revs??? That's a rather silly question. Everything is good in moderation. You can't just have sky high revs and no low end torque (AKA VTEC), but you can't have good torque and no power (AKA 22R-E). Not for a sports car driven on the street at least... Sure you can make a VTEC make torque, and lose that blood curdling VTEC scream past 5000rpm.... You can also make a 22R-E make power, and lose your beloved torque curve at the same time. The Americans modify their 22R-Es 'coz they have no other choice. The only real choice for them is the 3S-GTE, and that's a hideously expensive and difficult conversion. As for Gary M and his 300hp autocross beast, having spoken to him, he said that he spent the same amount of money as a 3S-GTE conversion on his 22R-E. He also said that if he were to go back in time, he would've done the 3S-GTE conversion. Nothing can beat a modern design, and nothing beats having an engine that was designed for a sports car rather than a truck. [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	22-R :: what cars ??	ed_ma61	Wed, 18 September 2002 11:01
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	justcallmefrank	Wed, 18 September 2002 11:15
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	ed_ma61	Wed, 18 September 2002 11:24
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	gianttomato	Wed, 18 September 2002 11:40
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	humble	Wed, 18 September 2002 11:54
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	justcallmefrank	Wed, 18 September 2002 12:03
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	ed_ma61	Wed, 18 September 2002 12:19
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	rob_RA40	Wed, 18 September 2002 12:52
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	blackRA28	Wed, 18 September 2002 14:12
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Norbie	Wed, 18 September 2002 23:22
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Pumpkin	Thu, 19 September 2002 02:53
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Norbie	Thu, 19 September 2002 02:57
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	gianttomato	Thu, 19 September 2002 03:19
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	celicamad85	Thu, 19 September 2002 03:51
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	humble	Thu, 19 September 2002 07:52
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Stefan	Thu, 19 September 2002 10:00
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	justcallmefrank	Thu, 19 September 2002 10:40
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Stefan	Thu, 19 September 2002 12:26
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	gianttomato	Thu, 19 September 2002 12:07
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	justcallmefrank	Thu, 19 September 2002 12:28
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	celicamad85	Thu, 19 September 2002 23:34
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	gianttomato	Fri, 20 September 2002 00:41
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Stefan	Fri, 20 September 2002 02:28
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	gianttomato	Fri, 20 September 2002 02:41
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	ed_ma61	Fri, 20 September 2002 05:01
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Stefan	Fri, 20 September 2002 02:48
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	rob_RA40	Thu, 19 September 2002 23:39
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	ed_ma61	Fri, 20 September 2002 03:35
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Pumpkin	Fri, 20 September 2002 04:04
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	humble	Fri, 20 September 2002 06:09
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	wil8115	Fri, 20 September 2002 11:38
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	CamZH	Fri, 20 September 2002 23:07
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Nark	Sun, 22 September 2002 01:22
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Stefan	Mon, 23 September 2002 00:34
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	celicamad85	Sat, 21 September 2002 00:31
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	draven	Sun, 22 September 2002 02:42
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	celicamad85	Sun, 22 September 2002 05:15
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	gianttomato	Sun, 22 September 2002 06:24
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	celicamad85	Sun, 22 September 2002 05:23
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Nark	Mon, 23 September 2002 00:50
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Norbie	Sun, 22 September 2002 08:14
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	draven	Sun, 22 September 2002 09:15
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	ed_ma61	Sun, 22 September 2002 09:35
	Rocketbus	gianttomato	Sun, 22 September 2002 09:48
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	ed_ma61	Sun, 22 September 2002 10:33
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	gianttomato	Sun, 22 September 2002 10:51
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	celicamad85	Sun, 22 September 2002 10:49
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	justcallmefrank	Sun, 22 September 2002 11:04
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	ed_ma61	Sun, 22 September 2002 11:08
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	celicamad85	Sun, 22 September 2002 12:58
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	FreaK	Mon, 23 September 2002 00:18
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	gianttomato	Mon, 23 September 2002 00:51
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Nark	Mon, 23 September 2002 01:04
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	celicamad85	Mon, 23 September 2002 01:02
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	celicamad85	Mon, 23 September 2002 01:09
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	gianttomato	Mon, 23 September 2002 01:16
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Nark	Mon, 23 September 2002 01:19
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	CamZH	Mon, 23 September 2002 05:48
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Nark	Mon, 23 September 2002 06:40
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Johnny	Mon, 23 September 2002 12:34
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	Nark	Tue, 24 September 2002 01:53
	Re: 22-R :: what cars ??	stevegee	Tue, 24 September 2002 13:03

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