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Benno Occasional Poster Location: NSW Australia Registered: August 2004	Re: Commodores annoy me Wed, 01 September 2004 05:40 Firstly, it's Commodore not Commadore. I have been on both sides of the fence on this one. When I was a little younger, I owned an ex-highway patrol VK. It was fitted with both of the engine options, big valves and high compression heads. The suspension and cam were both stufed so I spruced the shocks up and put a mild cam in it. Oh I put a 2.5" Hills exhaust on it too. The car went like stink, handled okay and was everything it was designed to be, a volume production sedan car. However, it still had a live axle and a pushrod OHV engine. Holden has always suffered from being part of GM with respect to design and technology. The yanks sell you a new car by putting some new fins on it, not by giving you EFI or IRS. look at any period of time since the seventies, the yanks have just used window dressing while the Europeans have innovated and added new technologies. If all you have to compete with is a bunch of underdamped, V8, cart sprung barges, what do you need with technology? With plentiful, cheap fuel, hell! just add a few more litres capacity to the donk..job done! Fortunately, the japanese followed the European model and made smalller, more efficient cars. Eventually the yanks gave in and started buying japanese cars and so did the Europeans and Brits. I think in many ways Holden has done a pretty good job, better than Ford up until the BA. Toyota is a huge and wealthy company and that shows in its uptake of and mass production of high tech cars, something Holden hasn't got the power to do on its own. That doesnt excuse them from producing cars with awful interiors that fall apart and at times, woeful quality control. On to Commodore drivers......yeah. Is it just them? I have been dangerously tailgated by a dickhead in a Camry and a bigger idiot in a Landcruiser. As for guys wanting to drag, just Commodore drivers who prick it out like this? No. Just one persons opinion. I have some opinions too. Harleys are utter crap (1300cc and 55Hp HAH!) All big 4x4's are dangerous and should be taxed into non-existence. Instant coffee isn't coffee at all and on and on and on and on and on......... opinions..pffft! [Report message to a moderator]

	Subject	Poster	Date
	Commadores annoy me	tyottsoarer	Mon, 02 August 2004 14:22
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Chris Davey	Mon, 02 August 2004 15:00
	Re: Commadores annoy me	SIMDOG	Tue, 03 August 2004 02:32
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Beer_is_good	Mon, 02 August 2004 20:44
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Jag7799	Tue, 03 August 2004 03:53
	Re: Commadores annoy me	tyottsoarer	Tue, 03 August 2004 04:31
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Jag7799	Tue, 03 August 2004 04:48
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Beer_is_good	Tue, 03 August 2004 06:26
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Jag7799	Tue, 03 August 2004 06:39
	Re: Commadores annoy me	mick	Tue, 03 August 2004 07:22
	Re: Commadores annoy me	shoot	Tue, 03 August 2004 07:51
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Beer_is_good	Tue, 03 August 2004 08:06
	Re: Commadores annoy me	tyottsoarer	Tue, 03 August 2004 08:10
	Re: Commadores annoy me	shoot	Tue, 03 August 2004 09:05
	Re: Commadores annoy me	jesseT18	Tue, 03 August 2004 08:32
	Re: Commadores annoy me	tyottsoarer	Tue, 03 August 2004 09:13
	Re: Commadores annoy me	shoot	Tue, 03 August 2004 09:24
	Re: Commadores annoy me	mick	Tue, 03 August 2004 09:42
	Re: Commadores annoy me	tyottsoarer	Tue, 03 August 2004 09:33
	Re: Commadores annoy me	gary	Tue, 03 August 2004 09:58
	Re: Commadores annoy me	tyottsoarer	Tue, 03 August 2004 10:08
	Re: Commadores annoy me	gary	Tue, 03 August 2004 10:19
	Re: Commadores annoy me	gary	Tue, 03 August 2004 10:20
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Skein	Tue, 03 August 2004 10:24
	Re: Commadores annoy me	gary	Tue, 03 August 2004 10:27
	Re: Commadores annoy me	dimmy77_03	Tue, 03 August 2004 10:08
	Re: Commadores annoy me	mick	Tue, 03 August 2004 10:33
	Re: Commadores annoy me	tyottsoarer	Tue, 03 August 2004 10:18
	Re: Commadores annoy me	gary	Tue, 03 August 2004 10:22
	Re: Commadores annoy me	tyottsoarer	Tue, 03 August 2004 10:28
	Re: Commadores annoy me	gary	Tue, 03 August 2004 10:32
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Skein	Tue, 03 August 2004 10:37
	Re: Commadores annoy me	WiLo	Wed, 11 August 2004 01:03
	Re: Commadores annoy me	tyottsoarer	Tue, 03 August 2004 10:39
	Re: Commadores annoy me	dimmy77_03	Tue, 03 August 2004 10:41
	Re: Commadores annoy me	mick	Tue, 03 August 2004 10:52
	Re: Commadores annoy me	shoot	Tue, 03 August 2004 10:46
	Re: Commadores annoy me	mick	Tue, 03 August 2004 10:55
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Beer_is_good	Tue, 03 August 2004 10:46
	Re: Commadores annoy me	shoot	Tue, 03 August 2004 10:57
	Re: Commadores annoy me	mick	Tue, 03 August 2004 11:17
	Re: Commadores annoy me	bowlsclubboy	Sun, 26 September 2004 11:46
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Beer_is_good	Tue, 03 August 2004 10:58
	Re: Commadores annoy me	rthy	Tue, 03 August 2004 11:19
	Re: Commadores annoy me	shoot	Tue, 03 August 2004 11:14
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Beer_is_good	Tue, 03 August 2004 11:18
	Re: Commadores annoy me	mick	Tue, 03 August 2004 11:34
	Re: Commadores annoy me	mick	Tue, 03 August 2004 11:48
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Beer_is_good	Tue, 03 August 2004 11:25
	Re: Commadores annoy me	rthy	Tue, 03 August 2004 11:30
	Re: Commadores annoy me	shoot	Tue, 03 August 2004 11:59
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Beer_is_good	Tue, 03 August 2004 12:06
	Re: Commadores annoy me	gary	Tue, 03 August 2004 12:27
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Bradelz	Thu, 12 August 2004 07:37
	Re: Commadores annoy me	MR 1JZ	Fri, 13 August 2004 01:12
	Re: Commadores annoy me	tyottsoarer	Tue, 03 August 2004 12:48
	Re: Commadores annoy me	gary	Tue, 03 August 2004 22:17
	Re: Commadores annoy me	dimmy77_03	Tue, 03 August 2004 13:00
	Re: Commadores annoy me	shoot	Tue, 03 August 2004 15:53
	Re: Commadores annoy me	coronamark2	Wed, 04 August 2004 00:53
	Re: Commadores annoy me	tyottsoarer	Wed, 04 August 2004 01:35
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Chris Davey	Wed, 04 August 2004 01:57
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Beer_is_good	Wed, 04 August 2004 02:11
	Re: Commadores annoy me	tyottsoarer	Wed, 04 August 2004 02:23
	Re: Commadores annoy me	shoot	Wed, 04 August 2004 05:13
	Re: Commadores annoy me	TitMeat	Tue, 21 September 2004 17:43
	Re: Commadores annoy me	wagonist	Wed, 04 August 2004 03:28
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Mookie	Wed, 04 August 2004 05:33
	Re: Commadores annoy me	mick	Wed, 04 August 2004 08:57
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Benjamin	Wed, 04 August 2004 06:20
	Re: Commadores annoy me	truenosedan	Sun, 08 August 2004 08:34
	Re: Commadores annoy me	shoot	Sun, 08 August 2004 09:48
	Re: Commadores annoy me	truenosedan	Wed, 11 August 2004 04:41
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Arch	Wed, 04 August 2004 09:07
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Mookie	Wed, 04 August 2004 09:17
	Re: Commadores annoy me	mick	Wed, 04 August 2004 10:26
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Mookie	Wed, 04 August 2004 10:42
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Jag7799	Wed, 04 August 2004 11:52
	Re: Commodores annoy me	Billy-Mason PI	Thu, 05 August 2004 22:21
	Re: Commodores annoy me	mick	Fri, 06 August 2004 04:51
	Re: Commadores annoy me	2tg-ta22	Fri, 06 August 2004 08:43
	Re: Commadores annoy me	mick	Fri, 06 August 2004 22:42
	Re: Commadores annoy me	2tg-ta22	Fri, 06 August 2004 08:46
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Jag7799	Fri, 06 August 2004 12:45
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Beer_is_good	Fri, 06 August 2004 10:40
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Mookie	Sat, 07 August 2004 04:45
	Re: Commadores annoy me	2tg-ta22	Sat, 07 August 2004 08:08
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Beer_is_good	Sun, 08 August 2004 02:12
	Re: Commadores annoy me	MR 1JZ	Sun, 08 August 2004 03:11
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Chris Davey	Sun, 08 August 2004 06:12
	Re: Commadores annoy me	mick	Sun, 08 August 2004 07:04
	Re: Commadores annoy me	MR 1JZ	Sun, 08 August 2004 23:30
	Re: Commadores annoy me	2tg-ta22	Sun, 08 August 2004 08:47
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Beer_is_good	Sun, 08 August 2004 13:18
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Chris Davey	Mon, 09 August 2004 02:31
	Re: Commadores annoy me	MR 1JZ	Mon, 09 August 2004 03:05
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Billy-Mason PI	Mon, 09 August 2004 22:31
	Re: Commadores annoy me	MR 1JZ	Mon, 09 August 2004 23:47
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Billy-Mason PI	Tue, 10 August 2004 00:36
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Evan	Tue, 10 August 2004 00:56
	Re: Commadores annoy me	MR 1JZ	Tue, 10 August 2004 02:28
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Billy-Mason PI	Tue, 10 August 2004 02:53
	Re: Commadores annoy me	MR 1JZ	Tue, 10 August 2004 03:10
	Re: Commadores annoy me	shoot	Tue, 10 August 2004 03:36
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Billy-Mason PI	Tue, 10 August 2004 04:25
	Re: Commadores annoy me	MR 1JZ	Tue, 10 August 2004 04:32
	Re: Commadores annoy me	shoot	Tue, 10 August 2004 04:37
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Billy-Mason PI	Tue, 10 August 2004 04:48
	Re: Commadores annoy me	MR 1JZ	Tue, 10 August 2004 05:20
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Billy-Mason PI	Tue, 10 August 2004 22:07
	Re: Commadores annoy me	dimmy77_03	Wed, 11 August 2004 01:16
	Re: Commadores annoy me	rvrolla	Wed, 11 August 2004 00:28
	Re: Commadores annoy me	2tg-ta22	Tue, 10 August 2004 07:20
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Billy-Mason PI	Wed, 11 August 2004 01:42
	Re: Commadores annoy me	rvrolla	Wed, 11 August 2004 01:53
	Re: Commadores annoy me	MR 1JZ	Wed, 11 August 2004 05:07
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Billy-Mason PI	Wed, 11 August 2004 06:43
	Re: Commadores annoy me	MR 1JZ	Wed, 11 August 2004 06:58
	Re: Commadores annoy me	2tg-ta22	Wed, 11 August 2004 08:26
	Re: Commadores annoy me	shoot	Wed, 11 August 2004 14:34
	Re: Commadores annoy me	MR 1JZ	Wed, 11 August 2004 08:32
	Re: Commadores annoy me	2tg-ta22	Wed, 11 August 2004 09:41
	Re: Commadores annoy me	MR 1JZ	Wed, 11 August 2004 10:12
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Beer_is_good	Thu, 12 August 2004 00:42
	Re: Commadores annoy me	mick	Thu, 12 August 2004 08:03
	Re: Commadores annoy me	shoot	Thu, 12 August 2004 02:41
	Re: Commadores annoy me	MR 1JZ	Thu, 12 August 2004 03:52
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Mookie	Thu, 12 August 2004 07:46
	Re: Commadores annoy me	2tg-ta22	Thu, 12 August 2004 10:29
	Re: Commadores annoy me	M Diddy	Fri, 13 August 2004 06:45
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Major Clod	Fri, 13 August 2004 14:18
	Re: Commadores annoy me	dimmy77_03	Fri, 13 August 2004 14:21
	Re: Commadores annoy me	dimmy77_03	Fri, 13 August 2004 14:23
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Mookie	Fri, 13 August 2004 17:37
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Mookie	Fri, 13 August 2004 17:37
	Re: Commadores annoy me	MR 1JZ	Sat, 14 August 2004 14:24
	Re: Commadores annoy me	truenosedan	Mon, 16 August 2004 01:22
	Re: Commadores annoy me	MR 1JZ	Mon, 16 August 2004 01:47
	Re: Commadores annoy me	M Diddy	Mon, 16 August 2004 03:23
	Re: Commadores annoy me	MR 1JZ	Mon, 16 August 2004 03:41
	Re: Commadores annoy me	M Diddy	Mon, 16 August 2004 03:58
	Re: Commadores annoy me	MR 1JZ	Mon, 16 August 2004 04:37
	Re: Commadores annoy me	M Diddy	Mon, 16 August 2004 17:37
	Re: Commodores annoy me	Benno	Wed, 01 September 2004 05:40
	Re: Commodores annoy me	mick	Thu, 02 September 2004 06:26
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Corona RT142	Fri, 03 September 2004 05:59
	Re: Commadores annoy me	mick	Sun, 12 September 2004 04:29
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Shraka	Fri, 03 September 2004 19:14
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Mookie	Sun, 19 September 2004 01:20
	Re: Commadores annoy me	captain chaos	Tue, 21 September 2004 11:58
	Re: Commadores annoy me	MR 1JZ	Sun, 26 September 2004 22:49
	Re: Commadores annoy me	mick	Sat, 02 October 2004 23:23
	Re: Commadores annoy me	thu187	Thu, 30 September 2004 08:05
	Re: Commadores annoy me	bowlsclubboy	Thu, 30 September 2004 10:19
	Re: Commadores annoy me	org86t	Fri, 01 October 2004 13:31
	Re: Commadores annoy me	peeack	Sun, 03 October 2004 11:09
	Re: Commadores annoy me	mick	Mon, 04 October 2004 00:15
	Re: Commadores annoy me	MR 1JZ	Tue, 05 October 2004 06:38
	Re: Commadores annoy me	ae82	Tue, 05 October 2004 05:59
	Re: Commadores annoy me	GTStar	Tue, 05 October 2004 09:14
	Re: Commadores annoy me	rthy	Wed, 06 October 2004 00:46
	Re: Commadores annoy me	bubbles	Thu, 07 October 2004 11:51
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Corona RT142	Wed, 06 October 2004 03:23
	Re: Commadores annoy me	hemi twofifteen turbo	Thu, 07 October 2004 11:40
	Re: Commadores annoy me	lumpy	Sat, 09 October 2004 08:48
	Re: Commadores annoy me	hemi twofifteen turbo	Sat, 09 October 2004 17:35
	Re: Commadores annoy me	hemi twofifteen turbo	Thu, 07 October 2004 12:21
	Re: Commadores annoy me	org86t	Fri, 08 October 2004 03:39
	Re: Commadores annoy me	org86t	Tue, 19 October 2004 14:10
	Re: Commadores annoy me	org86t	Fri, 08 October 2004 03:42
	Re: Commadores annoy me	org86t	Sun, 10 October 2004 12:41
	Re: Commadores annoy me	HyDrA	Wed, 20 October 2004 00:50
	Re: Commadores annoy me	mick	Wed, 20 October 2004 02:27
	Re: Commadores annoy me	HyDrA	Wed, 20 October 2004 04:12
	Re: Commadores annoy me	adamb131	Thu, 21 October 2004 08:31
	Re: Commadores annoy me	Arch	Thu, 21 October 2004 13:20

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