i know i shouldn't..but i love my limiter in my ZE sliding from side to side..ahh....music...of the limiters that i have hit..the most violent would have to be the CA jsut like you all said..it feels like it dies in the arse then wakes up..the fastest..(softest) that i have felt is in my mums 2003 SP20 mada astina..the tacho doesn't even bounce! it doesn't go brap..brap..brap.. like a 4AG, just kinda humms along..gong bbdddddddrrrrrrrrr and there is no joulting..